Social Banjo-Kazooie Social Thread - Project Dream Come True!

[Mr. Stagg]

I still get the google ad for banjo in Germany.

As much as I want it to be true, I somehow doubt that NoE would already know the dlc cast...

Well they are a different branch of Nintendo. I doubt the main Branch in Japan would keep this knowledge from it's other regions and just pop it up within a few days of showtime. Planning and scheduling takes time, plus the various regions have to make their own announcements in their respective languages and set up advertisements.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You are thinking of trademark dilution which is not the same as a copyright infringement, If someone makes a game, advertises in google it as a Mario game, and enough people call it a "Mario game", then they would probably lose the 'Mario' trademark, but not the character, games, music etc. Under no circumstances could Nintendo lose the rights to their IPs through a Google ad.

If IP holders had to enforce copyrights like they do trademarks fan art, fan fiction, fan anything wouldn't exist. The whole "Nintendo has to protect their IPs or else they'll go public domain!" is an old internet myth. Otherwise, companies like SEGA and Valve would have 0 IP at this point as they are very loose in their IP use,

It's not an internet myth in any way. They actually did do this(yes, they've gone after fanfiction before. They're that damn overprotective). They still will damn well protect their trademark too, like they always have.

You're making it sound like they don't heavily protect their trademark in these kind of situations. They eased up on stuff like fanfiction because they were forced to via parody clauses. The law had to stop them, because it still still unauthorized use of their IP at the time. They're the reason why companies don't need to worry as much. Nintendo's pretty much the over-worrisome one. They damn will sue the faker for unauthorized use of their IP in a far more major way than a one-shot emulation console(which is still, despite what should be a big deal technically, wasn't treated as one). This is more impersonation(and yes, it definitely counts as that) and false advertisement, far bigger crimes regardless. They have way more reason to sue and win in this situation.

The only way they aren't going to sue is that this is real. It's not even a contest at this point on how big of a deal this situation is for them. They won't risk losing their trademarks either. They'll sue the pants off of those trying to advertise a product that is treated as their item without permission as well. If you actually think they'd risk losing their trademarks, you have no idea what Nintendo is like at all. No way in hell that's happening.

Nintendo also considers emulators (which soulja boy was profiting from) to be the most damaging thing to their IP

Nintendo is absolutely not going to take this guy to court when Artorias inevitebly isn't a DLC character.

Still not as simple as you're making it whatsoever. Because a one-time thing can't even damage them enough due to a single sale either. If the person was making a constant amount, it would actually be damaging. Apples to oranges. It's in no way comparable to the romsite factor, despite this(as they were making significantly more money off of their IP than Soulja Boy ever was in any way). You'd have a point if he made a constant amount of them, but he didn't. It was literally a garage sale level they could ignore because it actually did nothing to damage them at that point. If it kept getting sales, they'd worry more about it, but it didn't. It wasn't continuing to going on, which changes the situation entirely. There's a serious difference in context here. They didn't go after him because it didn't amount to anything actually damaging. It's not rocket science.

It's literally just selling your old console and a bunch of games. It's like if somebody re-sold their SNES Classic at this point. With it happening once, there's little reason to investigate. It's more constant emulation use that can be damaging, because that's when they start losing a lot of money. Despite what they say about emulators, they don't shut them down, just the rom downloading. We haven't had a single emulator shut down either. Going after the roms is what they've been doing lately, yet not emulators itself. It was the games itself that Soulja Boy really was profiting from that mattered... and such a tiny drop in the hat and not constantly making and selling these(which would've been a big deal) they don't risk losing any trademarks or anything, nor have to protect their IP in any way because it's not actually a big deal to them. They're picking and choosing their battles. Otherwise they'd have to go after garage sales, which this is an actual equivalent to(if the situation changes, sure, but it hasn't).

Yes, what he did was illegal. That's undeniable. But that's not enough reason to go after him alone. It's a case of picking and choosing what to go after, as they aren't risking anything at this time over a garage-level sale. In fact, garage sales are not proper re-sells compared to business, so they could theoretically go after people doing the same thing. They don't because it's not worth it. Not all things are. This one is not even worth their time(unless, again, the situation changes). Going after the Google ads is definitely worth their time because it's on a grand scale of false advertisement and impersonating companies. They have a real reason to care here. They already learned going after small things isn't worth it alone, as they had a lot of issues with the Youtube situation(which is part of why they overall eased up). The only reason this faker isn't going to get sued is if there isn't a faker. It's a pretty damn high-level crime overall(and one they'll take more seriously than Soulja Boy's dumb idea, which is at least somewhat easy to ignore without problems at this time).

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

So about those BK remixes...

More like Rusty Bucket Rave

Nice sneaky Click Clock Wood reference in there too.

 

[TheAnvil]

It's not an internet myth in any way. They actually did do this(yes, they've gone after fanfiction before. They're that damn overprotective). They still will damn well protect their trademark too, like they always have.

You're making it sound like they don't heavily protect their trademark in these kind of situations. They eased up on stuff like fanfiction because they were forced to via parody clauses. The law had to stop them, because it still still unauthorized use of their IP at the time. They're the reason why companies don't need to worry as much. Nintendo's pretty much the over-worrisome one. They damn will sue the faker for unauthorized use of their IP in a far more major way than a one-shot emulation console(which is still, despite what should be a big deal technically, wasn't treated as one). This is more impersonation(and yes, it definitely counts as that) and false advertisement, far bigger crimes regardless. They have way more reason to sue and win in this situation.

The only way they aren't going to sue is that this is real. It's not even a contest at this point on how big of a deal this situation is for them. They won't risk losing their trademarks either. They'll sue the pants off of those trying to advertise a product that is treated as their item without permission as well. If you actually think they'd risk losing their trademarks, you have no idea what Nintendo is like at all. No way in hell that's happening.


Still not as simple as you're making it whatsoever. Because a one-time thing can't even damage them enough due to a single sale either. If the person was making a constant amount, it would actually be damaging. Apples to oranges. It's in no way comparable to the romsite factor, despite this(as they were making significantly more money off of their IP than Soulja Boy ever was in any way). You'd have a point if he made a constant amount of them, but he didn't. It was literally a garage sale level they could ignore because it actually did nothing to damage them at that point. If it kept getting sales, they'd worry more about it, but it didn't. It wasn't continuing to going on, which changes the situation entirely. There's a serious difference in context here. They didn't go after him because it didn't amount to anything actually damaging. It's not rocket science.

It's literally just selling your old console and a bunch of games. It's like if somebody re-sold their SNES Classic at this point. With it happening once, there's little reason to investigate. It's more constant emulation use that can be damaging, because that's when they start losing a lot of money. Despite what they say about emulators, they don't shut them down, just the rom downloading. We haven't had a single emulator shut down either. Going after the roms is what they've been doing lately, yet not emulators itself. It was the games itself that Soulja Boy really was profiting from that mattered... and such a tiny drop in the hat and not constantly making and selling these(which would've been a big deal) they don't risk losing any trademarks or anything, nor have to protect their IP in any way because it's not actually a big deal to them. They're picking and choosing their battles. Otherwise they'd have to go after garage sales, which this is an actual equivalent to(if the situation changes, sure, but it hasn't).

Yes, what he did was illegal. That's undeniable. But that's not enough reason to go after him alone. It's a case of picking and choosing what to go after, as they aren't risking anything at this time over a garage-level sale. In fact, garage sales are not proper re-sells compared to business, so they could theoretically go after people doing the same thing. They don't because it's not worth it. Not all things are. This one is not even worth their time(unless, again, the situation changes). Going after the Google ads is definitely worth their time because it's on a grand scale of false advertisement and impersonating companies. They have a real reason to care here. They already learned going after small things isn't worth it alone, as they had a lot of issues with the Youtube situation(which is part of why they overall eased up). The only reason this faker isn't going to get sued is if there isn't a faker. It's a pretty damn high-level crime overall(and one they'll take more seriously than Soulja Boy's dumb idea, which is at least somewhat easy to ignore without problems at this time).

Would it make a difference here that none of the characters who work actually belong to Nintendo? They belong to 4 separate companies.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Would it make a difference here that none of the characters who work actually belong to Nintendo? They belong to 4 separate companies.

Not whatsoever. They're still advertising it directly under Nintendo's usage via the Fighter's Pass and Super Smash Bros., their IP. It directly affects Nintendo as well as the other companies.

If it had no effect on Nintendo(which it does), then they can't really sue as they have nothing to protect(copyright or trademark), but they definitely do. Besides that, the other companies doing something is pretty much inevitable too. To say the least, the faker(again, obviously, if it's a fake) really threw themself into the gutter with a very bad idea here.

 

[SilentSentinel]

I thought I'd point something out in relation to this post from a few pages back that may be worth noting regarding IndieGamerChick. As with any of these insider types, she has her share of misses (although she doesn't really leak things all that often overall), but one particular important thing that she got right was calling that Tatsumi Kimishima would become the interim president of Nintendo after Iwata's passing long before anyone else. Iwata's death was reported on July 11th, this tweet from her comes the very next day, and the news isn't officially announced or reported by other outlets until Mid September of that year. It's a very interesting piece of information to have because it's not really gaming news but a high level piece of intel regarding the top office of a company. I'm more inclined to believe that this person would know something like Nintendo and Microsoft sitting down to talk about Rare properties if they've gotten other big picture things right in the past.

 

[Deleted member]

I thought I'd point something out in relation to this post from a few pages back that may be worth noting regarding IndieGamerChick. As with any of these insider types, she has her share of misses (although she doesn't really leak things all that often overall), but one particular important thing that she got right was calling that Tatsumi Kimishima would become the interim president of Nintendo after Iwata's passing long before anyone else. Iwata's death was reported on July 11th, this tweet from her comes the very next day, and the news isn't officially announced or reported by other outlets until Mid September of that year. It's a very interesting piece of information to have because it's not really gaming news but a high level piece of intel regarding the top office of a company. I'm more inclined to believe that this person would know something like Nintendo and Microsoft sitting down to talk about Rare properties if they've gotten other big picture things right in the past.

Actualy I forgot to share this...while her info for Nintendo and Sony is not great her Microsoft info is strong because she works there. And aperantly she said that cuphead would be coming to switch to sabi 7 months ago which was pretty confident about

 

[Llort A. Ton]

I could see a case where Artorias is seen as the Pikachu of Dark Souls and therefore picked over a player character. Pokemon is all about, well, the Pokemon, not much the Trainers. Thats why we got Pikachu first. Dark Souls is about its difficulty, and with that comes its bosses. So if Artorious is as popular as people are saying he is, then it kind of makes sense to prop him as the face of the series. We also got Rathalos boss with no Monster Hinter player character, since the Monsters are the prime focus of the series. Still not all in on this since it seems too good to be true, but I can see where Sakurai is coming from if this is real.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Also he was first a DLC character, and here is in Smash as DLC. Sakurai has done that before (look at Ken as a clone of Ryu first seen as such)

 

[Organization XIII]

Would it make a difference here that none of the characters who work actually belong to Nintendo? They belong to 4 separate companies.

No, but for a completely different reason. You see the ads that appear don't contain the characters within them. They just appear on the characters' pages so what pages it appears on doesn't matter. You can stick ads on whatever pages you please and there's nothing illegal about. And since the ad doesn't contain any characters not the in pass it's not false advertising like is being claimed. To be false advertising the ad would either need to lie such as saying "buy the pass and get a 6th character free" or it would need to leave out details that may cause a consumer not to buy in the first place such as real estate agents failing to disclose a leaky roof before purchase or in this case not mentioning the pass is DLC would be false advertising however it does disclose all the relevant information and correctly so there's no issue with the ad appearing on any page it chooses.

 

[CannonStreak]

It’s so pathetic of you people encouraging Nintendo and Sakurai to waste a slot on a dead character instead of more deserving and impactful characters like Master Chief and Steve. These characters deserve to be in unlike Banjo who is from a dead franchise and always will be. Banjo should deserve to be in smash last.

Uh oh, unpopular opinion alert! Was that really even necessary? Just let us dream, okay? Just because he is old doesn’t mean he can’t get in.

 

[Rubberfrog]

It’s so pathetic of you people encouraging Nintendo and Sakurai to waste a slot on a dead character instead of more deserving and impactful characters like Master Chief and Steve. These characters deserve to be in unlike Banjo who is from a dead franchise and always will be. Banjo should deserve to be in smash last.

The fact that you come here to tell us your feelings and try to shoot down our love for Banjo simply shows that you're scared of Banjo getting in. You know you're fully aware that he has a good chance, yet in the midst of your denial, you try to tell us he doesn't. Go discuss your hope for Master Chief and Steve elsewhere, please.

 

[CannonStreak]

Well, the dream should of been dead a long time ago in my opinion.

Some dreams simply never die, no matter what isn’t in their favor and is against them.

 

[Rubberfrog]

Well, yeah it baffles me that banjo is getting in over master chief and Steve and sorry but you guys are similar to Geno fans. Let me know if there is any reason why Banjo objectively deserve to be in smash over master chief and Steve besides “muh nostalgia”

It's not so much Muh Nostalgia (my nostalgia, I presume) as it is Uh Nostalgia (our nostalgia). Banjo-Kazooie has been a part of several players' childhoods and have made lasting impressions in our gaming careers. Sure, while Master Chief and Steve are characters that have decent Smash potential, Banjo-Kazooie, paired with the nostalgia factor, are huge frontrunners. Why else do you think Ice Climbers, Pit, Little Mac, Simon, and King K Rool got in? Nostalgia was a huge part of their inclusion.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Don’t feed the trolls people. Report them and move on.

Also, I’m still not convinced Artorias is the clear cut pick over someone like Solaire from Dark Souls who is the universal character that almost all players know, has an Amiibo already, popularized Praise the Sun, and generally sees much more popularity despite the Artorias lore and such (I’m also concerned Sakurai will try too hard to make Artorias have some special mechanic that just doesn’t work based upon his lore).

Also, even if we get Artorias at E3, that means nothing. It doesn’t inherently confirm Banjo and we shouldn’t treat his confirmation as the victory until we see Banjo.

Banjo has a lot of stuff going for him right now beyond all of this junk.

 

[Megadoomer]

Just report the trolling and move on.

 

[Mr. Stagg]

The fact that you come here to tell us your feelings and try to shoot down our love for Banjo simply shows that you're scared of Banjo getting in. You know you're fully aware that he has a good chance, yet in the midst of your denial, you try to tell us he doesn't. Go discuss your hope for Master Chief and Steve elsewhere, please.

It's all personal opinions anyway from those haters, nothing actually concrete to discredit Banjo-kazooie's chances. Never forget that the big boss, Phil Spencer has spoken 3 times about wanting Banjo-kazooie in. These haters dont actually care about any of the characters they speak of. Just ignore them and they will shrink into nothing.

 

[Rubberfrog]

Don’t feed the trolls people. Report them and move on.

Also, I’m still not convinced Artorias is the clear cut pick over someone like Solaire from Dark Souls who is the universal character that almost all players know, has an Amiibo already, popularized Praise the Sun, and generally sees much more popularity despite the Artorias lore and such (I’m also concerned Sakurai will try too hard to make Artorias have some special mechanic that just doesn’t work based upon his lore).

Also, even if we get Artorias at E3, that means nothing. It doesn’t inherently confirm Banjo and we shouldn’t treat his confirmation as the victory until we see Banjo.

Banjo has a lot of stuff going for him right now beyond all of this junk.

If the Google Theory is true, I think we'll get both Artorias and Banjo at E3

 

[Rubberfrog]

Oh, yep, the guy's a troll XD

He's joined less than an hour ago and posted nothing but negativity lol

 

[CannonStreak]

Sorry, but these characters are wanted just for “nostalgia” shouldn’t be in the game in the first place. Impact > nostalgia should be the way to go.

Hey, don’t you dare diss K. Rool. He is very popular, otherwise he wouldn’t get in. Same can happen with Banjo, whether you like it or not. Nostalgia alone or not, these characters can’t be excluded from Smash just because of one reason.

 

[TheAnvil]

Well, the dream should of been dead a long time ago in my opinion.

Good job nobody asked your opinion then

 

[Rubberfrog]

“This guy just made this account today therefore trolling” weird logic op

You joined an hour ago and the first thing you do is try to shoot people down. That doesn't bode well for you.

 

[CannonStreak]

Um, I don’t know if you’re brainless but, this is smashboards. You don’t have to be asked to make an opinion. Weird logic dude lol

But no one asked you to be negative and shoot others down. That is not being a good sport, by the way.

 

[Mr. Stagg]

You joined an hour ago and the first thing you do is try to shoot people down. That doesn't bode well for you.

He's also contradicting himself. He said he'd be glad if the Google theory was real, which has Banjo in it, yet comes in here to trash Banjo. I smell a rat.

 

[Ura]

Also reported the troll. Hopefully he's banned not too long from now.

 

[Rubberfrog]

Um, I don’t know if you’re brainless but, this is smashboards. You don’t have to be asked to make an opinion. Weird logic dude lol

Brainless or not, he's functioning better than you. Seriously, dont go to these topics just to make people mad.

 

[Guynamednelson]

He's also contradicting himself. He said he'd be glad if the Google theory was real, which has Banjo in it, yet comes in here to trash Banjo. I smell a rat.

He just wants to **** on different characters for different reasons. One gets **** on because "FIRE EMBLEM INVENTED SWORDS" and the other for not being the king of relevancy.

 

[Ura]

Brainless or not, he's functioning better than you. Seriously, dont go to these topics just to make people mad.

That's literally the purpose for trolls though lol.

 

[Megadoomer]

Seriously, stop responding to the troll. Just report and move on; if this behaviour continues, then they'll be banned soon enough.

 

[SuperiorYoshi87]

Here it come's... you know the character you want has reached the top when clowns come to your character board and start arguments. Let him cry about it. If/when Banjo gets in he should give me his friend code so I can dunk him off stage with all the irrelevant characters I love so much.

 

[Ura]

Here it come's... you know the character you want has reached the top when clowns come to your character board and start arguments. Let him cry about it. If/when Banjo gets in he should give me his friend code so I can dunk him off stage with all the irrelevant characters I love so much.

Unrelated but I hate the pro-relevancy crowd. i.e. The people on ResetERA claiming K. Rool had no chance of being in the game because "he hasn't been in a game in over a decade" and "Nintendo forgot about him".

And then they promptly got dunked on this past August and it was so satisfying see them being proven wrong. If Banjo's in, it's going to be even more satisfying seeing another character they wrote off get in the game.

 

[CannonStreak]

Unrelated but I hate the pro-relevancy crowd. i.e. The people on ResetERA claiming K. Rool had no chance of being in the game because "he hasn't been in a game in over a decade" and "Nintendo forgot about him".

And then they promptly got dunked on this past August and it was so satisfying see them being proven wrong. If Banjo's in, it's going to be even more satisfying seeing another character they wrote off get in the game.

ResetERA is just full of fools, not the good kind, either. I don’t see why the place should exist for we can do without them.

 

[Rubberfrog]

 

[MissingGlitch]

Strange how they are having a Mario Maker 2 direct tomorrow. Must be trying to make room for Rare Replay and Banjo for Smash at E3.

 

[TheCJBrine]

It’s so pathetic of you people encouraging Nintendo and Sakurai to waste a slot on a dead character instead of more deserving and impactful characters like Master Chief and Steve. These characters deserve to be in unlike Banjo who is from a dead franchise and always will be. Banjo should deserve to be in smash last.

You people go away.

Steve fans don't want you.

 

[TheZoologist]

Strange how they are having a Mario Maker 2 direct tomorrow. Must be trying to make room for Rare Replay and Banjo for Smash at E3.

Excited to see what the game brings to the table! I never got to own Super Mario Maker when it was on the Wii U cuz I knew it would eventually get a port or sequel on the Switch which is always a plus! Can't wait to own it!

And yeah E3 is getting closer and closer every day! Less than a month away now... hopefully we'll hear some good and fun news from Nintendo, Sakurai... and maybe Microsoft? :D

And not to feed the you-know-what, but in my opinion, the reason I personally want Banjo & Kazooie in before Steve or Master Chief is they were on Nintendo first and foremost before ever being a part of Microsoft, and they were huge sellers during the Nintendo 64 era and would represent that era of Nintendo super well when Smash really hasn't had a lot of that era represented in it despite the franchise getting it's start there! And of course, they'd also represent Rare as a company too, which would be a great celebration to their contributions to Nintendo. They would and should be the bridge to gap the divide between Nintendo and Microsoft. It's why I always got confused of the logic of Minecraft being the bridge instead, sure Minecraft is now on the Switch and that's great, but why couldn't Banjo & Kazooie, who were Nintendo first, be the bridge to bring Steve and Master Chief in?

 

[Deleted member]

Coming from the Erdrick thread to say that the person is trying to troll many character support threads.

The best thing is to ignore.

That apart, I have a feeling that Microsoft costumes in MM2 could be possible with the deal between both Nintendo and Microsoft happening right now.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Excited to see what the game brings to the table! I never got to own Super Mario Maker when it was on the Wii U cuz I knew it would eventually get a port or sequel on the Switch which is always a plus! Can't wait to own it!

And yeah E3 is getting closer and closer every day! Less than a month away now... hopefully we'll hear some good and fun news from Nintendo, Sakurai... and maybe Microsoft? :D

My only problem with it is that I primary play in docked mode. Mario Maker might be hard for me to play lol

But you know what. If we get Banjo in smash. That means we might get a Banjo costume in Mario Maker. If Microsoft won't make a new game. We will just have to do it ourselves.

 

[Rubberfrog]

Boys...

...We got him

 

[TheZoologist]

My only problem with it is that I primary play in docked mode. Mario Maker might be hard for me to play lol

But you know what. If we get Banjo in smash. That means we might get a Banjo costume in Mario Maker. If Microsoft won't make a new game. We will just have to do it ourselves.

True, it is sometimes difficult to play games that way, but I'm still looking forward to it! At least to see what people come up with and try out some levels myself and maybe even make some as well ^^