Backwards wavedash OoShine vs Turn around Wavedash

[Dogysamich]

So yeah, tryin to polish up a few things before (hopefully not, but probably and sadly) my last melee tourney. :/

And i've been tryin to work out a few kinks i've noticed in my falco.

Once of which is getting out of grab range from a shine.

Now, i know SHd.air is an option (not FF), but i'm lookin to have wavedashing away as an option.

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So my question

was backwards wavedash OoShine ever proven to be more effective and useful than just simply turning around? Or is it preference?

 

[4 Aces]

By turning around, what do you mean?
Hmm, not sure. I suck at Falco's waveshine, so I don't do it much. All I can tell you is wavedash out of the shine fast and as far as possible - that should give you enough space. You can either go away or go behind them. Another option to consider is to simply do a jc grab right out of the shine.

Sorry, that's all I got. Hopefully someone else more experienced can help you out.

 

[Dogysamich]

turn around as in you shine, turn around in the shine, then wavedash forwards.

I know that turning around is much easier than wavedashing backwards OoShine because it requires less precision; but i cant remember if it's ever been found that it actually takes more time; and if so how long.

That's what im asking.

 

[Falcinho]

Don't know about the exact Frame data but Shine-turnaround is definitely slower.

 

[technomancer]

Shine turn takes 3 frames min, which is your advantage, jump takes 6 frames, which is where you get grabbed. Works if they're skurred to grab you. WD backwards is "faster" by 3 frames which of course makes a difference.

 

[Dogysamich]

so, unless im reading too much into this.

What you basically just said is,

-I'm going to get grabbed regardless, but by wavedashing backwards, i have a slightly better chance of getting away?

 

[TL_Axis]

just waveshine into them if they sheild a shine, and your behind them, if the second one doesnt hit them, they probably jumped. simple enough.

what i normally do is shorthop out, dair and DI away, the hitlag stops them from grabbing. if you shffl that dair you're set.


EDIT: Unless theyre marth, then you're just screwed in both scenarios.

 

[Dogysamich]

most people grab after the first shine, so you have to JCShine or move some other way.

 

[saberhof]

just try after the first shine to wave dash to the back of them...>o> thats what i do lots of times and it works =D

 

[kennypoopoo]

just try after the first shine to wave dash to the back of them...>o> thats what i do lots of times and it works =D

thats a really great idea im writing that one down :D