Autofire/Macro players online - new subtler "tells", not just DI

[Froski]

Lagged every time I hit him.

Wtf is that even possible?


Edit..

Everything you put in the OP is extremely asinine if you ask me i cant understand that load of bull ****.I recommend studying up on it more.just saying

 

[B Link]

I agree with gav

I think you're too quick to assume they're using macros bro.

I'm not quick to assume anything. I've been playing for a while now (I think long enough to tell these sorts of things) and I just decided to post now to help others if they've ever wondered. It's plainly obvious something's up once you've played enough of them.

I don't think they're that common, especially amongst random noobs on kaillera >_>

It might not be common. I only have 3 names in my first post lol.

But anyone who's played enough of a variety of people online should know what I mean. I CAN tell the difference between random noobs and these kinds of players.

Everything you put in the OP is extremely asinine if you ask me i cant understand that load of bull ****.I recommend studying up on it more.just saying

Study what more? I've been playing way longer than you have lol.

The only person I'm worried about is sheer, cuz he's been playing longer than I have, but I just think he's not paying close enough attention

 

[Froski]

I've been playing way longer than you have lol.

i dont see what that has to do with anything.

but you probably have played longer than me ONLINE that is

 

[Battlecow]

I haven't noticed any such macro players, but B link seems to know what he's talking about. Has anyone else played these guys?

 

[clubbadubba]

I played that Christian guy. First game, I destroyed him. Then he started playing weird and beating me. He was doing a lot of dumb/stupid stuff, but also had enough effective things going for him to beat me. I don't remember specifically what he did, but I remember it was very strange. Either he was sandbagging the first game, or he macro'd and I was very confused and lost.

 

[Sangoku]

What I don't get is what is a macro? I thought it was a combination of button press which was all mapped to one key. For example I have a "perfect shine macro" mapped on "F". So everytime I press "F", I will shine perfectly. I can then break shields by pressing "F".

Was I wrong? If yes, what is really a macro? If no, then what is the link with stuff like "no-reaction time needed attacks", "always the same approach", "small variety of moves" etc. I mean if I have a perfect shine macro or a perfect DJC macro, I can play normally, I'll just use the macros when needed and they would give me an advantage.

 

[clubbadubba]

"small variety of moves" - too many macros would be too hard to manage, so they'd stick to a few different macros.

"always the same approach" - one button does an approach. Say 'F' does shdl -> fair. or hell, if 'F' does shdl thats bad enough.

I don't what he means "no-reaction time needed attacks."

 

[dandan]

you are not wrong, macro is to record an action or a set of actions (and the timings between them) and map it to a button.
you can make more than just a perfect shine macro, you can make one that does auto shield break and so on.

for di macro, you can do for example, up left up right each frame, and get insane di.

some macros are legit though, just like mapping a key to another key if it is more comfortable (though not really needed as you can just the keys in the config).

 

[Sangoku]

Thanks for the answers!

I'm sorry for "no-reaction time needed attacks", this was confusing. What I mean is that when you play CPUs for example, you will notice that they can react on the exact frame needed. A simple example is a failed tech on a platform-> bouncing-> falling off the platform. As this cancels all the hitstun, they will instantly jump, as soon as they're off the edge. In this example it's not really helpful, but there are some times where you clearly see something would work on a human, but does not on the CPU, because the CPU have 0 reaction time.

 

[Froski]

I played that Christian guy. First game, I destroyed him. Then he started playing weird and beating me. He was doing a lot of dumb/stupid stuff, but also had enough effective things going for him to beat me. I don't remember specifically what he did, but I remember it was very strange. Either he was sandbagging the first game, or he macro'd and I was very confused and lost.

it could be a lot of reasons why you lost to him

 

[clubbadubba]

it could be a lot of reasons why you lost to him

Very true. Just letting battlecow know I played him, he did ask. My opinion is he did something weird. But true, he could have beaten me straight up.

 

[NovaSmash]

now it looks like ppl are gonna complain about macros everytime they lose.....

 

[Glöwworm]

I advise people to take the OP's advice with a grain of salt.

But the macro guy I faced, however, messed up on his recovery every time when I gave him the tiniest pressure to make him have second thoughts. This is probably due to his/her macro messing up their controls.

I can easily set up a few macros and have autofire on and never mess up recovering if you attempted to edgeguard me unless I legitimately messed up on my part and not due to the macros.

 

[The Star King]

^This. Messing up their controls? Please.

Also, mapping an entire approach? Lol? Pretty sure people would be using it for simple techs that are hard to do, i.e. the perfect shine example.

Seriously, most of the things in the OP aren't related to macros, and you're jumping to conclusions.

 

[firo]

The stuff in the first post just seems like a checklist of a player who is not very good, not someone who uses macros.


The only thing a macro is "useful" for in this game is inflated DI and mario's down-b recovery.

 

[B Link]

I highly appreciate the feedback and I was expecting these kinds of posts anyway. I've addressed a lot of the arguments against people who are skeptical in the first post/other posts so I don't need to repeat myself.

Also, I don't think people will automatically without-a-doubt start believing that 'x' player is using a macro given the way I've described it in the first post.

I played that Christian guy. First game, I destroyed him. Then he started playing weird and beating me. He was doing a lot of dumb/stupid stuff, but also had enough effective things going for him to beat me. I don't remember specifically what he did, but I remember it was very strange. Either he was sandbagging the first game, or he macro'd and I was very confused and lost.

This is exactly the kind of feeling you'll get if you play enough matches with them. I wouldn't even just leave it at "strange." Record a match and it's not strange anymore, they are using repetitive techniques used to take advantage of the most common openings (I list some of them in the first post) but MOST fail (maybe not all) because they haven't mastered their controls. And dandan mentions how other stuff that people doubt can be done, can in fact be done. So yeah.

i dont see what that has to do with anything.

but you probably have played longer than me ONLINE that is

Of course I meant online, that's in the title of this thread.

It makes all the difference (online) because if I've played more people than you longer than you, than it's probably better to listen to my opinion than a guy who is posting one line devil's advocate posts.

 

[Froski]

Of course I meant online, that's in the title of this thread.

It makes all the difference (online) because if I've played more people than you longer than you, than it's probably better to listen to my opinion than a guy who is posting one line devil's advocate posts.

i guarantee i know a lot more than you its not like it takes 10 years to figure **** out about plugins and macros/rapid fire etc.

 

[SheerMadness]

Sorry B Link, no offense, but you're kind of just coming off as paranoid to me.

I've played longer than you I think (started summer of 05) and I really don't agree with most of what you're saying.

The only time macros are even noticeable to me is when they're altering game physics, like ******** DI. Or if someone were to break my shield with Fox's shines almost every time, I'd probably guess that they were using macros.

 

[B Link]

I advise people to take the OP's advice with a grain of salt.



I can easily set up a few macros and have autofire on and never mess up recovering if you attempted to edgeguard me unless I legitimately messed up on my part and not due to the macros.

You're right on the recovery issue, the DMO guy I played didn't mess up his recovery as frequently as //christian. I don't think you meant for my entire post to be taken with a grain of salt, though.

If it's just the recovery scenario you have a problem with, I still think it's pretty clear that if you've got several buttons meant for things other than what they're usually meant for, you're going to mess up sometimes, especially when pressured like in the situation I gave (a REAL match against a decent player).

 

[NovaSmash]

I'm not being paranoid about anything lol. I'm just mentioning that people should be aware that excessive DI+shieldbreaking are -not- the only ways of using a macro. I'll update the first post to make myself crystal clear.

What specifically do you disagree with?



You're right on the recovery issue, the DMO guy I played didn't mess up his recovery as frequently as //christian. I don't think you meant for my entire post to be taken with a grain of salt, though.

If it's just the recovery scenario you have a problem with, I still think it's pretty clear that if you've got several buttons meant for things other than what they're usually meant for, you're going to mess up sometimes, especially when pressured like in the situation I gave (a REAL match against a decent player).

my question is if someone is using macros and theyre not helping him win then y would u care? let him make a fool out of himself

 

[B Link]

my question is if someone is using macros and theyre not helping him win then y would u care? let him make a fool out of himself

If your "why care" refers to me making a thread about it, it's to make other people aware instead of being confused when they play someone with that "weird" gameplay. Some things aren't as obvious as excessive DI or shieldbreaking. It's to let other people know that other subtler techniques exist now.

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I edited my first post for readability, and I took out the "smash attack" thing because it might be too hard for people to notice in matches.

I also put the original thread in the first post from Dash_fox as it clears up a lot of issues that have already been dealt with.

Finally, if anyone wants to reply against something specific in the first post, make sure you read it over again because I edited a lot of it for clarity. Hope this helps.

 

[Surri-Sama]

why are Zell and YAB not on your first list lol.

 

[NovaSmash]

i dont think zell uses macros

 

[Surri-Sama]

perhaps not any more, he did not to long ago though.

 

[Froski]

perhaps not any more, he did not to long ago though.

when is the last time i even played you?


when someone di you start freaking out...and di ISNT that ****ing hard trust me

 

[WOTG]

B Link, when you get the chance you should play someone named jaffy and tell me what you think... The timing and playstyle felt a bit inhuman to me... maybe I'm just being superstitious

 

[Robsta]

A notable player on Desiree's has a turbo button for b, he only uses it for shdl and mario's up b.

No need to name names ....

 

[cheeseball341]

A notable player on Desiree's has a turbo button for b, he only uses it for shdl and mario's up b.

I also use turbo for mario's up b. It helps soooooo much.

 

[clubbadubba]

B Link, when you get the chance you should play someone named jaffy and tell me what you think... The timing and playstyle felt a bit inhuman to me... maybe I'm just being superstitious

I played him yesterday. Ness player, goes for grab throw off the edge to spike all day right? The only weird thing from him was that despite him not seeming very skilled at anything else, his djc dair chains were like perfect.

 

[Surri-Sama]

when is the last time i even played you?


when someone di you start freaking out...and di ISNT that ****ing hard trust me

Yessir, i hate DI, boils mah bloods!

And we probably played about a month ago ish

 

[WOTG]

I played him yesterday. Ness player, goes for grab throw off the edge to spike all day right? The only weird thing from him was that despite him not seeming very skilled at anything else, his djc dair chains were like perfect.

I could name numerous things that were odd to me, but the main thing that caught my attention was the fact that he had such a very orthodox playstyle, and the timing of his grabs, dairs, smash attacks, utilts, and execution of all his moves felt a bit unreal for someone of his skill level. I was only able to walk through him because I made adjustments to his lag and predictable playstyle.

 

[jimmyjoe]

I could name numerous things that were odd to me, but the main thing that caught my attention was the fact that he had such a very orthodox playstyle, and the timing of his grabs, dairs, smash attacks, utilts, and execution of all his moves felt a bit unreal for someone of his skill level. I was only able to walk through him because I made adjustments to his lag and predictable playstyle.

I played him a bit too, he was pretty friendly(though that's irrelevant), but I have played a lot of console Ness players who are like him. He seems to just do what he does pretty decently- predictable orthodox Ness stuff hoping for the gimp kills. I think he just doesn't adjust well/at-all because he never plays as other characters, thus has limited knowledge of there play-styles.

 

[quote]

I don't know what the input plugin has to do with lag spikes but I know that there is a definite way to see if the person is using autofire (not exactly macros). In Kaillera, when you record, it records the buttons pressed and saves it into a .KREC file. What somebody should do is somehow manage to open this file and have it readable and see the raw button inputs. If there's a thousand consecutive B button inputs (say, for when a mario performs a rising tornado) then that person is definitely using autofire. Something else to test is (in theory) you can record yourself playing and do a rising tornado. Now use autofire and do the same rising tornado. Check out if there's a difference in file size between the auto fire .KREC file and the non-autofire .KREC.

I'd say the former is more accurate.

That wouldn't be terribly difficult, assuming the .KREC files aren't encoded in some ridiculous manner. It would probably have to be done after a match so I don't know how much good that would do you, but it's definitely possible.

Somebody really needs to get on this. It's bad enough playing against scrubs in other games and having them call hax just because they are a better player, I don't want to hear it from this.

 

[King Funk]

Yo I'm using macros because my short hop fairs are so sexy and perfect all the time.

 

[Blackstreet Boy]

There is a way to perfect short hopping with XPadder ajusting pressure.
Another "useful" macro is setting one key to foward a, down a, up a. It may be too ********, but if the player keeps pressing it, his char is going to do perfect attacks, with no frames in between. Imagine Kirby with perfect foward a's. Now, edge guarding.

I guess the only way is to be the best as you can and kids: Don't do macro.

 

[Jaffy]

I could name numerous things that were odd to me, but the main thing that caught my attention was the fact that he had such a very orthodox playstyle, and the timing of his grabs, dairs, smash attacks, utilts, and execution of all his moves felt a bit unreal for someone of his skill level. I was only able to walk through him because I made adjustments to his lag and predictable playstyle.

Wotg I don't use macro or w.e its called, if anything I have opposite of marco cause my controller is so baadddd and I've been only playing this game for 4 months so that's why I don't seem "experienced" to you guys

 

[WOTG]

Wotg I don't use macro or w.e its called, if anything I have opposite of marco cause my controller is so baadddd and I've been only playing this game for 4 months so that's why I don't seem "experienced" to you guys

lol i played other people who have hawk-like timing and almost perfect executions like freddie, ybombb, and star king... everything you did just felt a bit odd to me, that's all. It's not that big a deal so don't worry about it

Lol, I was going to take a guess that some loudmouth on kaillera brought you here, and I noticed smasherx74 sent me a message admitting he did it.

 

[DMoogle]

A lot of the things you're describing sounds more like artificial intelligence rather than simple macros.

 

[The Star King]

I have hawk-like timing and near perfect execution? Oh you *blush*

 

[B Link]

I feel like I've played that ness and I just thought he was a noob lol

I played him a bit too, he was pretty friendly(though that's irrelevant), but I have played a lot of console Ness players who are like him. He seems to just do what he does pretty decently- predictable orthodox Ness stuff hoping for the gimp kills. I think he just doesn't adjust well/at-all because he never plays as other characters, thus has limited knowledge of there play-styles.