Right, you could ' kill' D3's little minion dudes too, I'm just saying Luma and pikmen are similar, in that they aren't treated like actual/playable fighters. Nana, while unique certainly, is more of an actual fighter, whereas pikmin, Luma and I'd argue the duck, aren't. I mean, the duck is 'teethered' to the dog in a unique way (there is no known instance where they separate, right?) So they are also unique in this way, but I'm saying the dog is principally being controlled, he is the one walking, using items (unless I'm wrong there, is the duck the one who picks up and uses items?)