Approx 18 hidden chars (with math)

[Corax The Cold]

From my calculations i figured out that there will likely be about 18 hidden character in brawl, let me show you the math i did:

Game Characters Hidden Characters Total
SSB: 8 4 12
SSBM: 14 11 25
SSBB: 23 18 41
SSB4: 35 27 62

ok so how i got 18 was from 2 ways, 4 + 7 = 11, 11 + 7 = 18. so they increased the amount of secret characters by 7 for each game, now i wouldn't have bothered to post this if i hadnt got this next equasion: 11/14 = 0.78581. 0.78581 x 23 = 18.071

so from this you can tell that theres is a good chance the game will have 41 characters, 18 of wich will be unlockable, i thought some of you might find this interesting.

i also went ahead and used the asme calculations for the NEXT SSB game, i got 35 by adding 12 + 23. why 12? 8 + 6 = 14, 14 + 9 =23, so 23 + 12 (6 to 9 to 12) = 35. i got 27 and 62 the asme way i got 18 and 41, anyways i don't think we should get ahead of ourselves here i jsut couldn't resist calculating it.

 

[antimatter]

you mean ssb4, right?

 

[Corax The Cold]

yea, fixed sorry

 

[DeuceBlade]

Corax did you solve the Da Vinci code? (kidding )

This is well thought out, and could possibly be true.. but Im not so sure if it is that elaborate lol.

 

[DeuceBlade]

EDIT: Double Posted/ My bad

 

[MysticKenji]

4*2+3 = 11
11*2+3 = 25

Your maths = invalid

 

[craiigg]

only thing i need to say here is:
yuh you guessed it

this is a new game, i doubt sakurai thought OOH WE COULD HAVE ______
oh.. darn. maths say's i'm not allowed ;__;

 

[Chasesin]

i think they just about double the amount of characters each time

ssb: 12 characters
ssbm: 25 character
ssbb: possibly 45-50 characters

 

[Diddy&Dixie4evr]

i think they just about double the amount of characters each time

ssb: 12 characters
ssbm: 25 character
ssbb: possibly 45-50 characters

I don't think sakurai base the amount of charecters by a fromula, by I do think he tries to put twice as many charecters as he did in the previous game, it make sense and is simple.

 

[tirkaro]

I don't think sakurai base the amount of charecters by a fromula, by I do think he tries to put twice as many charecters as he did in the previous game, it make sense and is simple.

sorta what he said.
you can't figure out the roster with a formula. Sakurai will just add as many characters as possible, and that's that. There's no pattern.

 

[antimatter]

you get an A for effort

 

[Deleted member]

How do you know there'll only be 41?

 

[Mikezor]

This is where I find flaws in this theory.

We have only had two SSB games; the only data we can collect is from the first to the second. If there were three games to date, then we could feasibly verify a rough pattern. Since we only have two points to refer to, to make any assumptions outside of the first two games would be extrapolation (predicting particular observations beyond current knowledge that usually results in false data) , a big no-no in the rules of statistics.

Also what fighting game besides Marvel vs. Capcom has more than 26 characters. Since when did the newest edition of a particular fighting game have an exponentially greater amount of characters than the last installment? And rumor has it that the creator of the fourth SSB game won't even be Sakurai, which would destroy all previous validity in our data.

From the amount of data we have now, I do not think any predictions that use the differences between SSB/SSBM will be very accurate. Although I do see about fourty characters in Brawl, I do not see how that number can keep on increasing.

 

[ph00tbag]

Because Sakurai totally sat down and calculated how many characters will be in every Smash Bros. game he'll make.

Good job there, chief.

 

[Raistlin]

Hell, even if we had three points trying to predict outside them would extrapolation.

And Corax, it really seems like you're just picking numbers at random.

 

[Banana_Dragon]

Well, you certainly put a lot of effort into that, however, math formula's have been done to death around here... Really...
If it does happen to be 41, you win a cookie.
Most likely it won't be that exact number (not saying I can't be wrong, I'm saying "most likely")

If you were to create a game.
Would you honestly really put that much math into a character amount? I know I wouldn't. I think most people wouldn't...

And as stated before, we only have two games to go off on.

 

[FlyinG ShoosteR]

i think they just about double the amount of characters each time

ssb: 12 characters
ssbm: 25 character
ssbb: possibly 45-50 characters

guys....you can't accurately predict a pattern with only 2 numbers. thats like looking like this:

1,3

the pattern could be:

1,3,5,7 - odds
1,3,9,27 - triple each number
1,3,4,7 - fibonacci sequence
1,3,6,10 - add 2, then 3, then 4, etc
....etc.

you could basically come up with a ton of different patterns based off of only 2 numbers. so please think first.

 

[Santini]

There's no way they decide how many playable characters there are with math. They base that number on how much a character is wanted, how much that character is deserving, and how much development time they have. It's this combination of factors that determines the roster number.

 

[EPX2]

This is where I find flaws in this theory.

We have only had two SSB games; the only data we can collect is from the first to the second. If there were three games to date, then we could feasibly verify a rough pattern. Since we only have two points to refer to, to make any assumptions outside of the first two games would be extrapolation (predicting particular observations beyond current knowledge that usually results in false data) , a big no-no in the rules of statistics.

Also what fighting game besides Marvel vs. Capcom has more than 26 characters. Since when did the newest edition of a particular fighting game have an exponentially greater amount of characters than the last installment? And rumor has it that the creator of the fourth SSB game won't even be Sakurai, which would destroy all previous validity in our data.

From the amount of data we have now, I do not think any predictions that use the differences between SSB/SSBM will be very accurate. Although I do see about fourty characters in Brawl, I do not see how that number can keep on increasing.

guys....you can't accurately predict a pattern with only 2 numbers. thats like looking like this:

1,3

the pattern could be:

1,3,5,7 - odds
1,3,9,27 - triple each number
1,3,4,7 - fibonacci sequence
1,3,6,10 - add 2, then 3, then 4, etc
....etc.

you could basically come up with a ton of different patterns based off of only 2 numbers. so please think first.

Thank goodness the two of you posted here. I honestly thought I was the only person who read this thread and realized how it's impossible to determine a pattern based off only two instances.

 

[CT Chia]

this dosnt hold up at all. the first game had so few characters than they wanted and characters were constantly cut from the first two games. dedede and bowser was supposed to be in 64, balloon fighter was supposed to be in melee, and the list goes on.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Also what fighting game besides Marvel vs. Capcom has more than 26 characters. Since when did the newest edition of a particular fighting game have an exponentially greater amount of characters than the last installment?

*cough*Mortal Kombat*cough*.

 

[The_Corax_King]

off topic...


But I'm your king... hahahah (quit stealing my name :'( )


Anyway... can we even begin to speculate about a 4th SSB??

 

[2.72]

Guys, he is absolutely right. After all, he has numbers in his post and numbers don't lie. What are you all thinking?

As a math major, this drives me completely nutty.

 

[Superninjabreadman]

only thing i need to say here is:
yuh you guessed it

this is a new game, i doubt sakurai thought OOH WE COULD HAVE ______
oh.. darn. maths say's i'm not allowed ;__;

exactly. Sakurai definately is the kinda guy that would be like.. "mmm. *Enter number here* sounds good. go find some characters!".

Honestly. I stoped reading as soon as I got to the math part >.<

Also what fighting game besides Marvel vs. Capcom has more than 26 characters. Since when did the newest edition of a particular fighting game have an exponentially greater amount of characters than the last installment? And rumor has it that the creator of the fourth SSB game won't even be Sakurai, which would destroy all previous validity in our data.

.

um.. almost everey dragon ball Z game to ever come out? Soul Calibur III had custom characters.. so... that sorta counts. DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi III had 150. (if you count Super Sayans and other transformations as diffrent characters.) but besides that they still have well over 26

 

[Corax The Cold]

sorta what he said.
you can't figure out the roster with a formula. Sakurai will just add as many characters as possible, and that's that. There's no pattern.

of course you cant know the exact number with a formula, im just saying that i think this is a good approximation of how many character will be in the game, also if you include characters from SSBM that haven't bene confirmed yet than than thats 8 out of the 18

Ness
Luigi
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff
Game & Watch
Captain Falcon
Roy
Gannondorf

a lot of these are clones but they could give them new movesets, like how Luigi was originally a Mario clone but then got his own moveset for SSBM. So this leaves room for 10 characters that won't be announced on the website, and will be new and i'd be more than happy with that number.

Again i'm not saying "This is how many characters there will be" im saying "This is a good estimate based on what they have done in the past of how many characters there might be"

 

[RyuDragonKing]

Also what fighting game besides Marvel vs. Capcom has more than 26 characters. Since when did the newest edition of a particular fighting game have an exponentially greater amount of characters than the last installment? And rumor has it that the creator of the fourth SSB game won't even be Sakurai, which would destroy all previous validity in our data.

Jump Ultimate Stars? There are a good 100 different playable characters.

 

[Zenigame]

There's a number of flaws in your logic here, the most obvious one being you only have 2 games, so no pattern can yet be derived.

But a less obvious one is that you are counting Zamus but not Sheik in your numbering system

 

[Corax The Cold]

There's a number of flaws in your logic here, the most obvious one being you only have 2 games, so no pattern can yet be derived.

But a less obvious one is that you are counting Zamus but not Sheik in your numbering system

shiek is confirmed??

 

[Zenigame]

As a starting character in Melee, yes.

 

[Corax The Cold]

off topic...


But I'm your king... hahahah (quit stealing my name :'( )


Anyway... can we even begin to speculate about a 4th SSB??

i had it since like '96 and the names are different enougtht so i dont really mind

 

[AIM0001]

I don't think sakurai base the amount of charecters by a fromula, by I do think he tries to put twice as many charecters as he did in the previous game, it make sense and is simple.

Yeah there's really no math involved here. Sakurai just wants to make the roster 2 times bigger than the previous one and that's it. But yeah good effort.

 

[Corax The Cold]

this bump is to trump the new thread that guy made with his fancyer math formula