Anything you feel is over-hated about the game?

[Xandercosm]

It's not a problem, it's that calling Wolf and Ridley "blatant promotion for the new Star Fox and Metroid games" is a horrible example to say that they'd be met with massive salt when Corrin is "blatant promotion for the new Fire Emblem game".

A lot of people wanted Wolf and/or Ridley in Smash. Not as many wanted another FE character after Roy, not even FE fans. Sure, the moveset for Corrin is fun and unique, but it's still another FE character, and we already have enough of them while DK and Metroid are stuck with only one or two protagonist characters.

And the weird thing is that DK and Metroid are significantly more established series than FE. It's really sad to see the true series get the least representation.

 

[wedl!!]

"the true series"

i'm sorry but what the **** does that mean

 

[FamilyTeam]

Fire Emblem has been a series for longer than F-Zero has, I believe. Probably longer than a good chunk of the other series in the game.

 

[Pippin (Peregrin Took)]

Is it fitting or ironic that a thread about over-hating things started an argument?

After all the hype from Corrin/Bayonetta, I off-handedly decided to drop by the Palutena boards. It was then that I realized that I'd pretty much forgotten that Custom Moves existed. And then I realized that the poor Palutena mains out there have probably never forgotten that Custom Moves exist. And then I felt a little sad.

Has anyone noticed, that none of the recent patch notes mention anything about Customs being balanced or tweaked? Since no tournaments were using them, the developers likely didn't get any more feedback on Custom Moves in general, basically making Customs irrelevant even to the designers. This also means that previous balance patches where any "jank"/useless Customs could have been addressed/fixed have been effectively squandered in that department. And with the possibility of there being few (if any) patches in the future now that development on Smash 4 has stopped, any balance issues or bugs that might still exist with them, or any inconveniences like oft-toted difficulty in unlocking them, may NEVER be addressed.

In short, the fandom may have effectively killed an interesting feature of gameplay through sheer hate/neglect. And I find that a bit depressing.

Yes. This is very disappointing. I do remember at least one patch that focused heavily on custom moves (the same one that fixed the lightweight glitch I believe), but I'd definitely like to give them another try. Even if it's just in casual play with friends and they want to load them up with equipment.

I remember one time I friended someone I met on for glory and then played him in a with friends room. I used a Palutena with no equipment but my preferred custom moves (Angelic Missile's probably my fave of hers), but his Mario had clearly been buffed with speed equipment. I was still able to win which showed that it wasn't totally game breaking and I've been interested in equipment adjustment ever since. Still not thinking it should be brought to tournaments but I have gained a new appreciation for all aspects of character customization. The way we quickly dismissed customs outright is pretty disappointing.

 

[Xandercosm]

"the true series"

i'm sorry but what the **** does that mean

A series that isn't just a junky handheld-exclusive Chess ripoff.

 

[FamilyTeam]

A series that isn't just a junky handheld-exclusive Chess ripoff.

Last I checked, Fire Emblem wasn't junky,
or handheld exclusive,
much less played like chess...

 

[Xandercosm]

Last I checked, Fire Emblem wasn't junky,
or handheld exclusive,
much less played like chess...

I was joking (not about the "junky" part). But, yeah, it is handheld only. GB, DS, 3DS.

 

[FamilyTeam]

I was joking (not about the "junky" part). But, yeah, it is handheld only. GB, DS, 3DS.

Last time I checked, Ike's game, Path of Radiance, was a console game, released for the Gamecube. So was the sequel, Radiant Dawn, for the Wii. The original game for the series was released for the NES/Famicom/whatever you wanna call it, call it a Polystation or a Dynavision if you want to.
And yeah, like the games or not, they're objectively not bad games.

 

[MurphyPrime]

DK is not very established in Japan, where as FE is way more so. Metroid it's the same thing. So that's why there are a lot of FE characters (plus Sakurai loves the series). Also just cause it uses a grid doesn't automatically make it a chess rip off. If anything it's more similar to Stratego (even though it's not really).

I think every FE character can be justified besides Corrin (not saying he's not a unique character, but it's just over saturated with FE). Marth is the figure of Fire Emblem, Roy was in melee and a fan favourite, Lucina took no effort, Ike was/is one of the most popular FE characters in America among longtime fans of the series, and Robin was unique plus represented the most popular FE in America to date.

 

[FamilyTeam]

DK is not very established in Japan, where as FE is way more so. Metroid it's the same thing. So that's why there are a lot of FE characters (plus Sakurai loves the series). Also just cause it uses a grid doesn't automatically make it a chess rip off. If anything it's more similar to Stratego (even though it's not really).

I think every FE character can be justified besides Corrin (not saying he's not a unique character, but it's just over saturated with FE). Marth is the figure of Fire Emblem, Roy was in melee and a fan favourite, Lucina took no effort, Ike was/is one of the most popular FE characters in America among longtime fans of the series, and Robin was unique plus represented the most popular FE in America to date.

The number of FE characters can be justified by the fact that there are so many games in this series and that they all change the entire cast, so naturally representing it requires a lot of characters, which is why I feel Corrin is fine as well. And Lucina mostly got in because she was both easy to do and because she basically was as important to the story as Robin.

 

[Xandercosm]

Last time I checked, Ike's game, Path of Radiance, was a console game, released for the Gamecube. So was the sequel, Radiant Dawn, for the Wii. The original game for the series was released for the NES/Famicom/whatever you wanna call it, call it a Polystation or a Dynavision if you want to.
And yeah, like the games or not, they're objectively not bad games.

Alright. You win. They are on consoles. However, they aren't objectively good. I, honestly, hate the FE games and the unwarranted representation that they get in Smash. Japanese characters are disgustingly overrepresented in Smash as a whole.

 

[MurphyPrime]

Japanese characters are hugely represented in a game from a Japanese director for a Japanese company...wow. Crazy stuff is happening. Also I think you aren't objectively looking at the cast, you just dislike FE and use their amount of characters to justify your argument (if you don't like FE, I am not going to argue about it cause to each their own). It's actually pretty even for characters that are Japan to not Japan.
The problem is it's easy to say "oh, character X is japan" cause it's super subjective for a lot of characters. But basically all Star Fox, DK, Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Metroid characters aren't japanese. FE is, Kid Icarus is, FF is, SF is, Shulk is, and who else? That's like 40+ to 15 maybe. Seems balanced to me.

Edit: Forgot Earthbound for Japan.

 

[InfiniteThoronz]

Alright. You win. They are on consoles. However, they aren't objectively good. I, honestly, hate the FE games and the unwarranted representation that they get in Smash. Japanese characters are disgustingly overrepresented in Smash as a whole.

I think that is because Smash is directed by a Japanese dude and by a Japanese company. Y'know, what MurphyPrime said.

 

[FamilyTeam]

Alright. You win. They are on consoles. However, they aren't objectively good. I, honestly, hate the FE games and the unwarranted representation that they get in Smash. Japanese characters are disgustingly overrepresented in Smash as a whole.

Do you hate the series because you dislike it or do you hate it just because of Smash?
The games can be really fun, and the stories interesting, maybe you should try them out.

 

[Curious Villager]

Japanese characters are hugely represented in a game from a Japanese director for a Japanese company...wow. Crazy stuff is happening. Also I think you aren't objectively looking at the cast, you just dislike FE and use their amount of characters to justify your argument (if you don't like FE, I am not going to argue about it cause to each their own). It's actually pretty even for characters that are Japan to not Japan.
The problem is it's easy to say "oh, character X is japan" cause it's super subjective for a lot of characters. But basically all Star Fox, DK, Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Metroid characters aren't japanese. FE is, Kid Icarus is, FF is, SF is, Shulk is, and who else? That's like 40+ to 15 maybe. Seems balanced to me.

Edit: Forgot Earthbound for Japan.

All characters and franchises that have a playable character in Smash (with the exception if Diddy Kong) where created in Japan. Unless I misunderstood your point...

 

[Xandercosm]

Do you hate the series because you dislike it or do you hate it just because of Smash?
The games can be really fun, and the stories interesting, maybe you should try them out.

Well, I hate anime and I really dislike the characters. The fact that they are overrepresented in Smash is a side thing. But that's my opinion. I don't mean to tell others what they should enjoy.

 

[FamilyTeam]

Well, I hate anime and I really dislike the characters. The fact that they are overrepresented in Smash is a side thing. But that's my opinion. I don't mean to tell others what they should enjoy.

Well, that's understandable, I guess... I mean, the characters aren't unlikable or anything, but not that many FE characters are that well developed. If you're going off of the personality they show in Smash, though, yeah, those are wrong, very wrong.
I get the feeling Smash has a certain fetish for misrepresenting characters that aren't from the Mario series.

 

[MurphyPrime]

I didn't mean origin-wise, I meant more culturally accepted. American fans embraced Mario, Star Fox, but not FE for example.

 

[Xandercosm]

My main qualm with FE is the art style but the personalities of the characters as well.

 

[MacSmitty]

Swordfighters as a whole. Everybody knows that when a sword fighter is introduced, we have complaints about "another swordfighter" and the like, even people complaining about there being "too many sworfighters" who apparently can't count as swordfighters don't even take up a majority of the cast.

 

[MurphyPrime]

If by personalities you mean the ones found in Awakening and Fates, then you'll find a lot of the core fire emblem fans would agree with you. But the earlier games are much better for that.

 

[FamilyTeam]

If by personalities you mean the ones found in Awakening and Fates, then you'll find a lot of the core fire emblem fans would agree with you. But the earlier games are much better for that.

Even then, it's not like the characters in Awakening are unlikable. They're simple, but they're still likable for me. I liked Lon'qu and Lucina, and Robin and Chrom do have their moments.

 

[MurphyPrime]

Lon'qu was the most fire emblem character in awakening to me. I really hated how Panne was glossed over like "oh we massacred your people, my b. Let's never discuss the impacts of it again." But I certainly don't dislike them. I'm just saying it's silly to bash a series on personality when only one game really is a bit lacking.

 

[Xandercosm]

If FE had S.T.E.A.M.'s art direction, it would be good, in my opinion.

 

[Luig]

The character Sonic in general.

 

[MurphyPrime]

I find it funny you can like an art direction for one game and not the other when both are made by the same company.

 

[Xandercosm]

I find it funny you can like an art direction for one game and not the other when both are made by the same company.

That's precisely why I mentioned it. I thought they did a great job on the FE characters' artwork for S.T.E.A.M.. It's too bad they don't take the same art direction all the time.

 

[MurphyPrime]

I'm literally the opposite. But to each their own.

 

[FamilyTeam]

I really like Awakening and Fates' art style, so I'd have to agree.

 

[MurphyPrime]

I personally think the Ike/Tellius games did everything the best aside from voices ("Don't leave me Father! FATHER!!!" always makes me cringe a little). If you ever want to get into the series that might be a good place. It might be awfully hard to get a copy of them though.

 

[FamilyTeam]

I personally think the Ike/Tellius games did everything the best aside from voices ("Don't leave me Father! FATHER!!!" always makes me cringe a little). If you ever want to get into the series that might be a good place. It might be awfully hard to get a copy of them though.

I've finished Awakening and played through the Prologue and the first two chapters of Path of Radiance.
The voice acting is 4kids tier.

 

[MurphyPrime]

Lol, Radiant Dawn is a bit better. At least you don't hear them talk to often.

 

[Dark Phazon]

I love corrin and people are just salty that wolf did not get in. I am enjoying this amount of salt though

I think even more people are actually made that she is OP Asf

 

[ShadowGuy1]

I think even more people are actually made that she is OP Asf

She is not OP in the slightest. She is more of an on par to falcon and the pits

 

[Dark Phazon]

She is not OP in the slightest. She is more of an on par to falcon and the pits

. . . Let's be Real.....

 

[MurphyPrime]

Corrin doesn't seem OP. Maybe relative to like, Samus. But Corrin seems mid high to high. Not Sheik level.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

. . . Let's be Real.....

Yes I am being real. She would easily be a top tier for sure if her recovery was better.

 

[Dar4]

This character gets way too much crap. Yeah, luma is OP which is why she's S tier but the character design of a puppet character is unique and interesting. I feel like people too often complain about her instead of actually learning the matchup.

 

[FallenHero]

Ah great what have I done....now this thread is about FE....

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

She is not OP in the slightest. She is more of an on par to falcon and the pits

Agreed. Corrin may be pretty viable, but not viable enough for the A-tier mark. B-tier is pretty much his best bet.

This character gets way too much crap. Yeah, luma is OP which is why she's S tier but the character design of a puppet character is unique and interesting. I feel like people too often complain about her instead of actually learning the matchup.

Truthfully, the people who ranked Rosalina as an S-tier fighter don't understand that her weaknesses are quite large if they're exploited; without the Luma, her offensive game is heavily hindered. With a flaw like that, Rosalina is more suited to be at the top of the A-tier, if anything.