An Important Message (You probably suck at Smash)

[AlphaZealot]

People who don't know how to wavedash/l cancel DO suck at the game. It isn't because they don't know these things, because even if they did, they would STILL suck at the game. Knowing or not knowing, it makes no difference, you SUCK when you only play with your same 5 person group of friends (and maybe you've been to a local library tournament and played against 20 other people who also only play against their 5 friends, congratulations for being the best kid on the short bus), you don't suck when you START going to large tournaments and gaining experience against multiple, avid players of the game, players who have traveled all around the country playing the best of the best and have literally played hundreds of different opponents.

Take wavedashing out and 98% of the population doesn't even know it happened. I would say maybe, maybe 2% of the people that own SSBM know about wavedashing. Of those the people who don't like wavedashing ARE THE MINORITY, yet this minority claims to speak for the other 98% of the people. The thing is, when people find out about the more advanced and talented community around the game, they are inclined to either join it and play in tournaments...or not. I would say the numbers are much more positive for people who embrace wavedashing than the reverse. In other words, if 4 people find out about wavedashing, 3 people want to learn it and the 4th wants to be a scrub (though the ratio is probably more like 12 or 13/20).

My point: Wavedashing not being in Brawl won't balance anything, it will simply make it even harder for the average joe who sucks to gain any advantage on someone who is good, at least in Melee you could be technical and somewhat make up for a lack of intelligence.

EDIT: There is no such thing as undiscovered talent. You get good by playing with good people. If you don't have anyone good around you, then you probably suck.

DOUBLE EDIT: This message is for anyone who is upset that wavedashing is gone and also for anyone that thinks wavedashing being gone will somehow even the playing field.

TRIPLE EDIT: I'm going to add in a few quotes that prove a point:

It's not causation, it's correlation. It's not that not wavedashing is what makes you suck, it's that "non-wavedashers" are "non-tourney goers", and that's what makes them suck. Aniki is just a strange exception who entered the competitive community but insists on very rarely wavedashing.

So the removal of the technique isn't going to close the gap any, because it's not the source of the gap to begin with. Anyone who thinks that the pros don't have stupid glitches to hide in anymore, and that they're destined to fall, doesn't know anything about any competition, let alone Melee.

The removal of wavedashing is not a victory for casual players angry at tournament goers, since they'll still be four stocked by someone who competes (that is, if they ever played them, which they don't anyway ).

Trust me, I was stuck in the SAME situation before, I had four other friends who I played melee with almost everyday, yet, none of us really ever improved at all. The only reason I did was due to practicing tech skill by myself. Once I contacted a local competive crew of ten or so players and played them, things have never been the same. I improved more in a hour playing them than I ever have playing against my friends for a year.

And yes, if you haven't been to a tournament, you do suck. I used to wipe the floor with everyone in my area (all of my friends, people at college, etc) but when I actually went to a real tournament, I got my *** handed to me (and I had been playing Melee since it came out...talk about an ego blow). It's much easier to get better once you go to tournaments because you learn how a competitive smasher plays and you condition yourself to think and respond as quickly as they do.

 

[Kentalish]

wow your nice lol.

dude i dont care what u said stop crying about wavedashing brawl isnt melee

 

[raphtmarqui]

^^Quoted for Truth

 

[LavisFiend]

Not everyone has money out the *** and can afford plane tickets and whatnot to go to every tournament in the world.

I wish I did, but I don't.

So there is still undiscovered talent. Are people who are isolated from the rest of the world automatically sucky? No, because they quite simply can't afford to go places that are large scale, meaning that they will never be noticed as good at the game because they can't grow on a large public scale.

 

[voittaa711]

Amen. Everything you said, so true.

 

[mastr0fmyd0main3]

^^Quoted for Truth

lol. you didn't quote it, you fool.

Alpha Zealot is right. If you say "stop crying brawl isn't melee" you most likely a)suck at melee, b) didn't like melee very much or c) like boys.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Anikki..?

Anyway, I'm not quite following. Is this a if you don't go to tournaments you suck, or an if you don't Wavedash you suck, thread?

 

[G&Wismyhomeboy]

I didn't know moderators were capable of making so many generalizations.

There may be truth behind this post still, but...wow...

 

[psyt]

err... nice rant i guess but like, does any1 give a crap about anything u said?

 

[axemangx]

So that would mean everyone sucks now that their both gone?

 

[AlphaZealot]

I felt it was important I be a lil more harsh than normal, otherwise the point would be lost.

 

[Noshiee]

...what are you trying to gain from this?
anyway, who wants to spend money on plane or bus tickets to play a freakin game, yeah, smash is cool, but not to like spend more money that the one you used to buy it.

 

[Kentalish]

I diddnt suck at melle i just diddnt know what wavedashing was... that doesnt meen ill suck

 

[sdhonda]

I think "suck" is a bit strong of a word, but your more or less right.

Then again, like said, not everyone has the means to go to said tournies and get good.

 

[Ryuker]

...what are you trying to gain from this?
anyway, who wants to spend money on plane or bus tickets to play a freakin game, yeah, smash is cool, but not to like spend more money that the one you used to buy it.

I do. Got a problem with that?

 

[Darkurai]

So, AZ, by your logic, EVERYONE sucks, since there was a time when no one had ever played Smash Bros. If we only get good by playing with people who are good, then NO ONE is good.

 

[Maricalistaro]

Now I apparently suck because i cant afford to go tournaments. Nice logic.

 

[Adi]

Yeah, too many people are crying about advanced techniques but the reverse is also true. If you're crying over the loss of WD suck it up, it's not the most important technique for the game's development.

 

[Zek]

I felt it was important I be a lil more harsh than normal, otherwise the point would be lost.

If you were trying to drive home the point that a competitive mentality can turn people into gigantic gaping *******s, then mission accomplished.

 

[Baeseth]

Take wavedashing out and 98% of the population doesn't even know it happened. I would say maybe, maybe 2% of the people that own SSBM know about wavedashing.

This is the biggest bunch of bull**** I've ever read.

 

[Xanderous]

I diddnt suck at melle i just diddnt know what wavedashing was... that doesnt meen ill suck

Yes it does. It 100% does. If you don't know what Wavedashing is, you suck at Smash Bros.

 

[Zink]

everything AZ said is true, and all the new '07ers need to pay attention.

 

[Adi]

Yes you do suck no matter how much "inherent talent" you think you possess. Breakout players like KDJ and Mango still spent a long *** time going to many tournaments and training with great players to become that good. And they are exceptions to the smash community. If you haven't been to a wide-scale tournament, and played with top level pros, than you do suck.

 

[LavisFiend]

everything AZ said is true, and all the new '07ers need to pay attention.

Because OBVIOUSLY those who registered in '07 have not had the game since then...

Quit kissing his ***.

 

[Red Exodus]

I suck at melee. I have no one to play. Alpha speaks the truth. I thought I was good then I watched some vids that made me realize I suck. Maybe with determination and practice I could be a pro but right now there's no way I could be a pro.

 

[Adi]

No, but you have obviously not payed close enough attention to the smash metagame to have a viable opinion.

 

[pablovirus]

So half of the post is an insult to almost everybody EXCEPT the minority who goes to tourneys.
The other half is some crappy statistic without background studies.
And the conclusion is a whinning because of Wavedashing gone and I don't see how it derives from the rest of your statements.

I also liked WD and it not being in Brawl isnt going to make the game any better, but I don't see why you insult almost everybody...

 

[skullkidd]

Yeah, sure, w/e.
As a mod you shouldn't post such foolishness.

 

[LavisFiend]

No, but you have obviously not payed close enough attention to the smash metagame to have a viable opinion.

If that was aimed at me, you are about to fail....hard....

REALLY....hard.

 

[Limey]

I don't understand why, as a mod, you're being such an *******. I don't wavedash, and i don't have that many friends who like to play smash, but i have just as much fun as someone who does and who goes to tournaments.

I haven't learnt to WD because i can't be arsed, and like i said, i have a lot of fun without it, and with no friends who play the game, there is no real point. I can understand you lashing out at people who are all assy about people who do wavedash, but you're being a complete prick about it, to be honest.

Sooo, basically, jog on.

EDIT - With the edits of the first posts, i retract my post. Sorry man, but the way it was worded really just seems like an attack to anyone who doesn't WD.

 

[Zek]

Am I the only one that thinks it's incredibly elitist and obnoxious to tell people they "suck" because they're not as good as the top 1% of Smash players? You don't have to be a competitive tournament player to qualify as being good at a game.

 

[LavisFiend]

So half of the post is an insult to almost everybody EXCEPT the minority who goes to tourneys.
The other half is some crappy statistic without background studies.
And the conclusion is a whinning because of Wavedashing gone and I don't see how it derives from the rest of your statements.

I also liked WD and it not being in Brawl isnt going to make the game any better, but I don't see why you insult almost everybody...

Because his name is red and his word is god.

 

[FierceDeityWolf]

Nevermind this post. but yeah, I still suck in Smash.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Because OBVIOUSLY those who registered in '07 have not had the game since then...

Quit kissing his ***.

Agreed.

Does Anikki WD?

 

[Red Exodus]

I think some of the guys here need a literacy test.

This is for people who THINK they are the best. It's funny to watch people come out and make themselves look so stupid for no reason.

Zek, if you don't use ATs you suck, end of story. Just by sheer number of limitations anyone not using ATs would have a very tough time beating a pro.

 

[Requiem]

Only thing i would dislike from wavedashing being left out is that there is less to master, I embraced this technique and all the other ones because I like a learning curves, and you cant call it an exploit if 90% of the people who play it do this (with the people who play this I mean people who take this game seriously, why mention the other people, they see it as a different game) I like games with learning curve, from what ive heard, its become slower, and easier, this makes it so that the growth in the game has become very limited, i dislike this, since in melee nomatter how good you where you could still become better.

 

[fr0st2k]

This is the dumbest thread ever made

 

[blayde_axel]

For shame, mod... for shame.

I have nothing further to say.

 

[saberhof]

People who don't know how to wavedash/l cancel DO suck at the game. It isn't because they don't know these things, because even if they did, they would STILL suck at the game. Knowing or not knowing, it makes no difference, you SUCK when you only play with your same 5 person group of friends (and maybe you've been to a local library tournament and played against 20 other people who also only play against their 5 friends, congratulations for being the best kid on the short bus), you don't suck when you START going to large tournaments and gaining experience against multiple, avid players of the game, players who have traveled all around the country playing the best of the best and have literally played hundreds of different opponents.

Take wavedashing out and 98% of the population doesn't even know it happened. I would say maybe, maybe 2% of the people that own SSBM know about wavedashing. Of those the people who don't like wavedashing ARE THE MINORITY, yet this minority claims to speak for the other 98% of the people. The thing is, when people find out about the more advanced and talented community around the game, they are inclined to either join it and play in tournaments...or not. I would say the numbers are much more positive for people who embrace wavedashing than the reverse. In other words, if 4 people find out about wavedashing, 3 people want to learn it and the 4th wants to be a scrub (though the ratio is probably more like 12 or 13/20).

My point: Wavedashing not being in Brawl won't balance anything, it will simply make it even harder for the average joe who sucks to gain any advantage on someone who is good, at least in Melee you could be technical and somewhat make up for a lack of intelligence.

EDIT: There is no such thing as undiscovered talent. You get good by playing with good people. If you don't have anyone good around you, then you probably suck.

DOUBLE EDIT: This message is for anyone who is upset that wavedashing is gone and also for anyone that thinks wavedashing being gone will somehow even the playing field.

so much sucking =O...yet lots of points...yeah you don't need anything to be good just lots of experience.

 

[Kooichi]

So your saying the only way to be good in Melee is to use a technique that wasnt meant to be used in the game and to go to tournments far away from you...? o_o

Your logic confuses me, are you stupid? :D