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Q&A Ambitions as a Plumber; A Mario FAQ

Eggz

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I tried posting like a 5 paragraph response the other day (the minimum requirement for most grade school essays dontcha know), but my computer blew up. Sorry guys. xD
 

B.W.

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Stupid computers and them combusting while you're in the middle of doin' something important.
 

B.W.

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Have you guys beaten any Jigglypuff players? If so, how?
I have a friend who mains Jigglypuff, and I'm sad to say I can't help you too much. All I can say is don't get caught in that WoP and don't try to combo too much cause it doesn't freakin' work.

I usually spam fireballs to rack up damage and use the f-smash or d-smash to finish.

Anyone know what I should look out for when playing against Shiek?
Umm... Just.. Don't get grabbed... Or caught in tilits.. Or f-aired... So basically everything..
 

FaceFaceMcFace

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You should look out for **** against Sheik. Thats a pretty common thing.

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In all seriousness though; grabs, tilts to fair, needles, crouch cancelling and even a dash attack here and there are what come to mind. Someone with more experience in the matchup could probably help you out more.

As far as I know you should be going for things that either pop her up in the air for comboing (primarily down and up throws), or have good range and priority. Anyone that knows better feel free to correct me.
 

Fogo

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Have you guys beaten any Jigglypuff players? If so, how?
yeah, i frequently **** the best jiggz from our area, and the best moves to use are dsmash, dair, and fsmash. oh and spam fireballs, it pisses them off and makes them rush you lol

also try a shffl'd fair to fsmash for the finish, it works most of the time unless they have really high dmg
 

Red Exodus

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Oh, I have some jigs advice too, if he misses rest spam your cape to rack up damage since it has no knockback.
 

B.W.

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Samus... I'd say move forward slowly while caping when they're spamming missiles. Eventually you'll be able to hit them if they don't stop.

When Samus is using bombs to recover try to hit the bombs with fireballs (I actually learned that in here) and when she's using her grapple to get back on you could try going off the stage and b-airing her for a stage spike (learned that here too).

And always be prepared for a charged shot when she's got it fully charged. Always.
 

Takeshi245

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Thanks, guys. The reason why I'm asking you guys this is because I want to be ready for Brawl when going online with Mario and I'm thinking about going to some Brawl tournaments later.
 

Shök

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and also watch out in what stages you play againts samus
 

maelstrom218

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Jiggs. . .is not a fun match. It's like a fighting a Peach or Luigi; everything it has just magically outprioritizes what you have. And that includes your d-air/b-air/sex kick, which is what Mario normally relies on when it comes to trying to out-prioritize your opponents.

In this situation, you really want to avoid any ground-based hits--including smashes, jabs, tilts. You can't grab Jiggs reliably since she's in the air, which means that jab games are pretty much useless. You can't combo Jiggs at all, so % accumulation in preparation for combos is out of the question.

First off, you want to run like ****. Hit and run. Avoid direct confrontation with Jiggs at all costs, because she will **** you hard with any and all aerials. That means running away, occasionally fireball spamming (don't spam if she's too close), and covering your escape with well-spaced b-airs. If you get locked down, out-of-shield u-airs work very well (especially between her first and second full-jumped b-air). Otherwise, u-airs, u-tilts, b-airs, and f-smashes will be your main source of damage output, because those have the most range. Careful about the f-smashes though; Jiggs' aerial DI makes f-smashes extremely risky.

Stay away from the edge, and don't get grabbed. Once you're off the stage, you're a dead man.

For edgeguarding Jiggs, you want to time your b-airs a little bit after pound ends. You have to get the timing down, because pound has so many active frames after the animation ends that you run the risk of getting hit anyways if you're not familiar with the move. You can try edgeguarding while standing near the edge, but that's risky since she can pound to deter you. But if you're successful, shffl'd d-airs, d-tilt, f-tilt angled down are reasonable measures.

Basically, you want to hit and run, all the time. Once Jiggs' damage gets high enough, try sex kicking to get her off the stage to edgeguard and/or get a KO, though you want to be careful when you sex kick, since it'll most likely get snuffed out by anything Jiggs throws out.
 

Fogo

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hey guys i need some help, what buttons on the controller do you use to do the shawbawd??


like can you use the c-stick? do you jump with the stick or trhe buttons?


help would be much appreciated.
 

FaceFaceMcFace

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Just find what is most comfortable for yourself Fire, any combination is really possible. Personally I jump with the control stick and press A; unless I didn't want to move in a direction in the air, I usually c-stick it then.
 

Shök

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what i do is short-hop with X, c-stick, or neutral A, and and landash backwards, but you need to do your arial as soon as you short hop so you have enought time to do landash and also try what face told you
 

mario-man

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Face, how do you SH with the control stick?? That's like near impossible to do. XD
 

FaceFaceMcFace

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Face, how do you SH with the control stick?? That's like near impossible to do. XD
I find that statement hilarious. XD

All my Shorthops, wavedashes, and jump-cancels are done via control stick. Yes, I know that is a bad thing to do in general and I would never reccomend it to anyone; but it is physically the only way I can play.
You see, I have had since birth a slight case of Hemiplegia, meaning that I have scar tissue on my brain that causes one side of the body (in my case the right) to work sub-par. Less feeling, less coordination, etc. Since it isn't a serious case of it people almost never notice it and I can still do normal everyday stuff like driving and whatnot.

Anyway, the important thing is that my right hand only has the coordination to press the A and B buttons, so I cannot use X, Y, R, and Z. I do however use the c-stick, but I do that by quickly moving my left hand over and flicking it. That is the main part that amazes people; I can SHFF Uairs in that manner and still make the auto-cancel no problem. Even Chillin thought the way I use the controller is amazing. XD

So all this doesn't mean I suck mind you; it just means that I've had to work insanely hard to get to a decent competitive level. It definitely keeps me from playing really tech heavy characters like fox though.

This is honestly one of the few games I play two-handed. Most games I play completely one-handed; and I can own noobs doing such in smash.

Sorry for the big long speech everyone; I was going to save that for if ever I got some videos of my smashing... guess I'll just quote this if that happens now, heh
 

mario-man

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It is NEAR impossible. Not impossible.

That was nice to learn Face. You must be pretty good with two hands.........
 

Shök

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yeah its not impossible, sometimes i have short hopped with fox with the stick
 

-PM-

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i can do everything with control stick but i play X and Y too =]

i can WD with control stick and L too =D its kinda useless though =[
 

babou

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I was just wondering how do you walljump after mario's recover? is it just tapping the other way cause it doesnt seem to work
 

mario-man

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Here I come again.

You can do walljump after an UP B, but only under the following conditions.

1: You start your up B while hugging the stage
2: You end your up B on a completely flat area (The only legal stages this is possible at, I believe, are FD and Yoshi's story.)
3: You press back at the very top of your up B, basically when it ends.
..............
 

DP's Mario

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I don't know if I'm the only person who does this, but...

Do any of you guys use the d-tilt against foxes? I do...And it's really useful when they're at high damage.

D-tilt > F-smash FTW!! :p
 

Fogo

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yeah, just dthrow to dtilt then fsmash, its safer.



btw: i have a huge mario ditto coming up, 50 dollar money match and the namesake of a crew riding on it, ive been training with scav and other marios but help would be appreciated.


mario ditto, and advice? anyone?
 
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