Against Dr.Mario

[HylianBlade]

I have a friend who plays dr.mario and hes pretty good. i can beat him with my falco but only barely. He spams pills like theres no tomorrow and he also spams dash-a attacks. even when i shield them, they seem to trip me and he starts to combo like mad. and those two are mainly my problems against him. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated thank u!

 

[captainlukey]

it all depends on your tech skill, as to what you can do against him...

for the pillz, maybe wavedash to a safe spot (in between the pillz), and if you can find an approach during his pill launching it will give you a mindgame... hopefully to start your own combo....

but i dont know where your at so i cant really help to much, unless you give a brief description of your technique...

 

[Adi]

Be aggressive, don't give him a chance to pill or attack.

 

[boss8]

dos to good im sry man...

 

[HylianBlade]

hey thanx alot guys i relly appreciate it. so ive got to be aggressive firstly... and also play some mind games with him. i see... and im relly srry that i havent provided you with my technique that i use in my falco... i will launch a vid on youtube very soon, against this dr.mario so it can help u help me. and i was going to edit my orginal post by adding the fact that whenever i dair him, and hes got a shield on just before i hit him, he shield grabs me right away and this also deals more than half the damage i get

 

[captainlukey]

boss, funniest sig i have ever seen,
lol,
i wish u could do this in mario bros 3 (nintendo 1), it would make it easier to get one ups when needed...

hylian blade, if you Lcancel that dair into a shine as quick as you can that shieldgrab will not work cause he will drop the shield to grab...
and get knocked by the shine... this is why pillaring works...

and yeah id like to see your vids... everyone should have vids...
everyone, skilled or not skilled, to show the world what thier made of is the rite of every falco player in the world... without exception...

 

[HylianBlade]

ya ty captain uve been alot of help... i guess it comes with practise to lcancel the dair... is there any specific timing in the lcancel that u can tell me? also... do u know if bombsoldier, pc chris, or forward use the c-stick for dairs?

 

[mikechi]

ya sounds pretty similar to my friend that plays doc he spams pills like theres no tomorrow and he such a ***** when it comes to being defensive rofl all he does is roll around.
what i do is spam lasers as much as i can so i can get him to approach me

 

[takieddine]

You can short hop dair to beat his dash attack, or simply wavedash back fsmash.

Falco's jump is pretty high so you can just simply jump over the pills.

 

[mikechi]

ya you can jump over the pills or you can be gay just like the opponent and spam lasers har har har....

 

[ThreeX]

Well.. like uhm, i think it was Adi said.. yea, don't let him pill :$ be more aggressive.. remember falco's got a gun.. and that laser is beast :D and about the L canceling thing.. yea you just press R or L right when you land an aerial, uhm, i have no idea if bombsoldier, pc or any1 uses c-stick or A.. but i'm pretty sure they use C-stick, just my opinion.. aaaaaand, another thing... about the shield grabbing thing, when your dairing, try to land behind him, instead of dairing infront of him, so that he won't beable to shield grab you =X

 

[Dogysamich]

In general, Doc should be worrying about your lasers more than you worry about his pills.

Infact, if the laser vs pill game is done right; the burden is ALWAYS on Doc to predict YOUR lasers, and if he messes up, HE will get punished.

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This is how the laser game works.

You start out with SHB- locking him in his shield or whatever. His BEST option is to FHP (Full Hop Pill) to avoid your lasers and try to stop you. Either dash under or run away from the pill, but dont stop shooting.

The 2nd option, the one you will see the most, is he will cape the laser. This might catch you once. But if you notice, everytime you short hop, he's going to cape regardless of whether you shoot a laser or not.

This is where the burden goes back on him. Start empty hopping. Shorthop, but DONT laser. You can bait him into caping and punish from there.

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As for dash attacks, yeah you should eat that alive. Angle your shield down to make sure you dont get hit; grab him, and it's lunch from there. Or you can always d.air OoS/ shine OoS, and combo from there.

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The only thing you REALLY should have to worry about is

1) Dont get grabbed, you'll probably get CG'd to death.

and

2) Watch doc's edge game. You have to get REAL tricky with your recovery to not get cape/f.tilt'd

 

[captainlukey]

samich is rite...
but i think that he placed too much emphasis on not getting grabbed...
u definately should avoid...
but by the time he can properly CG, he can already easily ko you as you will be close to 100% ish,
and it also depends on his style..., but in terms of busting yourself to avoid the grab, u should probly be avoiding his fair and fsmash more... so place particular emphasis on that
and yeah he should be more frightened of your lasers...
so try to use them to get your combos and damages in...
and if that fails fthrow of edge dair... simple... done and done

 

[Red.]

for doc: lasers destroy his pill approaches, Pillar like crazy, when you shffl a dair follow it up with a shine.

For stages: I think DL64 works because you can annillate him on the platforms, I also think stadium works.

 

[captainlukey]

for doc: lasers destroy his pill approaches, Pillar like crazy, when you shffl a dair follow it up with a shine.

For stages: I think DL64 works because you can annillate him on the platforms, I also think stadium works.

im not sure if i agree with you on stages.... but if it works for you...

i love fd for this matchup...

 

[Red.]

I'm not really sure on the stages

But doc can chainthrow on FD, other then that you'll win.

 

[captainlukey]

I'm not really sure on the stages

But doc can chainthrow on FD, .

true i tottaly forgot,
so maybe this isnt such a good idea,
but interestingly enuff, i dont have any chain grab problems on this stage,
whether thats my doin or my opponant doesnt do it that often i dont know...
and red your post count has gone up like wild fire...
i remember justt a few days ago u were on 50...

 

[Red.]

thx, The reason I said DL64 is because it's big (kinda like FD) and you have platforms to DI those evil chainthrows from doc.

 

[Falcology]

Hey i made a new account im HylianBlade and i just wanted to thank all of u and samich that i is amazing advice. honestly i usually get bullcrap like "oooohhhh my post this there" or "this question has been asked tooooo many times" but ty so much guys

 

[Dogysamich]

samich is rite...
but i think that he placed too much emphasis on not getting grabbed...
u definately should avoid...
but by the time he can properly CG, he can already easily ko you as you will be close to 100% ish,
and it also depends on his style..., but in terms of busting yourself to avoid the grab, u should probly be avoiding his fair and fsmash more... so place particular emphasis on that
and yeah he should be more frightened of your lasers...
so try to use them to get your combos and damages in...
and if that fails fthrow of edge dair... simple... done and done

Here's the thing. When I play falco, i'm looking for grabs mainly. Becasue I can CG to 60%,then u-throw -> F.smash ; which is guarenteed. If i need to grab again, then i grab you @ about 100% and u.throw -> f.air, which is again guarenteed (assuming i follow the DI)

for doc: lasers destroy his pill approaches, Pillar like crazy, when you shffl a dair follow it up with a shine.

For stages: I think DL64 works because you can annillate him on the platforms, I also think stadium works.

I would agree that any stage that isnt FD is good choice. Platforms help falco's combos (if i remember right) and completely JACK docs.

FD isnt a bad stage, but you're right; you have to worry about getting CGd if you FD.

 

[technomancer]

You can also not give him time to set up. Doc don't play well against the down air, and Dair shine JC grab or dair doubleshine WD back nair approach are both really sick approaches against Doc, just start off hard with the pressure and don't eat the mindgames.

Come hard at low% because you can get out of almost all of his combos at low percents with basic DI.

Lets take the basic Chinesahh lookin stage:
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The * is there for a spacer
If doc shoots a pill, go here:
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start spamming lasers until he comes under you and drop down and shoot a laser in his face or backair him whatever you like, back air goes straight through pills all day so it's good. Then you're on offense have fun. Doc is a dirty mid tier he wants to gay you with his gay stuff but his other stuff isn't too amazing so just don't jump into the **** kids and you'll be fine. Spike combos are grrrrrrrreat.


Zhu vs. Bob$, Zhu 3stocks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AblD1b60OuQ

 

[Reno-Vgas]

If he spams pills I'd say you fight fire with fire and SHL he face off

 

[th0rn]

If he dash attacks just shield grab, if you're getting hit it's because you shield too much. SHL to grab works well and i find that f-tilt can be useful too. Just space with lasers until you can get that d-air -> Shine and comboooo.

I fought Bob money in a crew battle with my last stock last weekend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viELs-12RMk