Advanced Techniques

[Orichalcum]

I was wondering which ATs you guys would think of beeing usefull for a ZSS. I have recently found glide tossing as quite good (she has such a good slide) but haven't really implemented into my gameplay yet so im unsure. Also i haven't been using much ATs with ZSS so just tell me what you would think of to improve please

 

[James Sparrow]

I use glide tossing pretty much every game at the start with suit parts. B sticking is also good with side b.

 

[Orichalcum]

Stick for aerials is pretty important to me though.

 

[Snakeee]

Learn to wavebounce without B-Sticking, I'm doing that a bit now.

 

[ph00tbag]

Recoil Specials are the main thing. Glide Tossing is also very useful. In general, B-reversals pop up in useful situations as well. Pivoting is useful for dsmash, too.

 

[Pezz570]

I use glide tossing pretty much every game at the start with suit parts. B sticking is also good with side b.

Amen to that

 

[James Sparrow]

Learn to wavebounce without B-Sticking, I'm doing that a bit now.

I don't use B stick to B stick. I just call it that because "wavebounce" is a ******** name.

 

[ph00tbag]

I don't use B stick to B stick. I just call it that because "wavebounce" is a ******** name.

Well, b-stick means b-stick. I'm pretty sure the "cool people" are all calling it Recoil Special, anyway. I mean, I am, and I'm cool, right?

 

[DeliciousCake]

I dunno, head crabs aren't that cool.

 

[James Sparrow]

B-sticking is the technique, how you input the command is up to you.

 

[ph00tbag]

I dunno, head crabs aren't that cool.

It's a Metroid. D:

B-sticking is the technique, how you input the command is up to you.

Well, if you want to call it that, it's your prerogative. I prefer to have B-stick refer to the control scheme and recoil special refer to the technique, because that makes much more sense to me.

 

[Pubik Vengeance]

Anyone want to tell me what glide tossing is please?

Yes, I am glib.

 

[ph00tbag]

Anyone want to tell me what glide tossing is please?

Yes, I am glib.

Toss an item while rolling. I'm fairly sure you can perform the toss at any time in the roll, from what I've seen.

 

[Snakeee]

I started using the glide toss backwards it's pretty useful and fun. What you do is have your back to the opponent, press to roll forwards, and press the C-Stick in the direction behind you (towards the opponent)
This works pretty well sometimes especially if the opponent is in your face.

 

[Pubik Vengeance]

I started using the glide toss backwards it's pretty useful and fun. What you do is have your back to the opponent, press to roll forwards, and press the C-Stick in the direction behind you (towards the opponent)
This works pretty well sometimes especially if the opponent is in your face.

Okay thank you.

 

[Johnthegalactic]

I just got into glide tossing, it is pretty easy, also, I want to play against some people good that are good at B-sticking, that is how I learn of it's usefulness.

 

[Bouse]

What is this sticking of the B you speak of?

 

[ph00tbag]

What is this sticking of the B you speak of?

B-sticking is generally understood to mean: operating under a control scheme in which the C-Stick is set to "special." It makes several moves easier to perform, such as short hop reverse aerial rush, recoil special and Lucas' Zap Jump.

Often times, "b-sticking" will be used to refer to the use of any of the techniques first discovered through the control scheme.

 

[Bouse]

Hrm, I might try this. I just changed my controller setup a little bit, so my setup right now (including the b-stick)
A=normal
B=Special
L=Shield
R=Grab
Stick=Special
I still use the dipstick for jumping but tbh it doesn't seem to change my gameplay that much when I switch it out to x/y.

Oh, and for recovering I've actually gotten her side b to hit the opponent and the ledge at the same time. Dunno if that'd be useful to anyone.

 

[Johnthegalactic]

I don't use the stick tap for jumping, it makes using Zs Samus' up tilt difficult at times.

How about the whole down-B on a 45 deg. angled surface, lol!

 

[ph00tbag]

This seems as good a place as any to bring this up, but I was wondering what my fellow ZSS mains thought of theSecond Jump Recovery, and its potential uses for ZSS. As expected, any ZSS aerial except dair can be used with this technique.

Obviously, with Zamus's super high second jump, this isn't going to be the next SHFFL, at least not for us, but I think it could be useful for following up falling uairs and whatnot. We'd have to spend time learning it and testing its uses, but we might as well try to think of potential uses now.

 

[wavelucas]

I don't use B stick to B stick. I just call it that because "wavebounce" is a ******** name.

Yeah, so what would you call it?

 

[DeliciousCake]

This seems as good a place as any to bring this up, but I was wondering what my fellow ZSS mains thought of theSecond Jump Recovery, and its potential uses for ZSS. As expected, any ZSS aerial except dair can be used with this technique.

Obviously, with Zamus's super high second jump, this isn't going to be the next SHFFL, at least not for us, but I think it could be useful for following up falling uairs and whatnot. We'd have to spend time learning it and testing its uses, but we might as well try to think of potential uses now.

BUT, because of ZSS' high second jump, imagine the amazing U-air juggling you could potentially pull off at mid-range percentages.

 

[MzNetta]

Ive actually been able to successfully impliment that (as far as Im aware) unnamed AT done by holding Y while flip-jumping in order to give you a great horizontal or mediocre vertical boost by footstooling a char, projectile or anything else.
No lie.
When you do it, youll get 1 of 2 reactions.
1, If they have never seen/heard of it: "WTF just happened????"
2, if they Have seen/heard of it: "WTF just happened????"
Oh wait, theyre the same...
Its great for mindgames if you can do it well.
And once you feel it may be becoming predictable, it can instantly lead into a neutral B that you can charge while youre soaring away from your opponent and theyre (hopefully) dashing to punish you.

 

[DeliciousCake]

Ive actually been able to successfully impliment that (as far as Im aware) unnamed AT done by holding Y while flip-jumping in order to give you a great horizontal or mediocre vertical boost by footstooling a char, projectile or anything else.
No lie.
When you do it, youll get 1 of 2 reactions.
1, If they have never seen/heard of it: "WTF just happened????"
2, if they Have seen/heard of it: "WTF just happened????"
Oh wait, theyre the same...
Its great for mindgames if you can do it well.
And once you feel it may be becoming predictable, it can instantly lead into a neutral B that you can charge while youre soaring away from your opponent and theyre (hopefully) dashing to punish you.

I don't mean to be rude, but, you're like the 15th person to come in proclaiming that you've discovered this. It's ZSS' version of the zap-jump, essentially.

 

[Bouse]

I tested it tonight, if you time your side b just right at the edge of the stage you can hit them with it and get a tether recovery. It's really annoying to get so it's useful but highly improbable to execute.
Not to mention you need to be on level with the stage which needless to say is pretty much not good times for Zamus.

 

[James Sparrow]

Yeah, so what would you call it?

I don't use B stick to B stick.

I call it b sticking.

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@ phootbag, i think SJR looks promising.

 

[DarkShadowRage]

I started using the glide toss backwards it's pretty useful and fun. What you do is have your back to the opponent, press to roll forwards, and press the C-Stick in the direction behind you (towards the opponent)
This works pretty well sometimes especially if the opponent is in your face.

That's freaking awesome, I'm learning how to do this already now and I think i've figured it out! ^_^

 

[Orichalcum]

Well i dont wanna hear about down b footstool and b sticking and stuff. Im kinda looking for "real" ATs/glitches whatever to work on. I got all the rest down and implemented glide tossing into my gameplay. Its very usefull. Thanks and keep it coming if you got any constructive.

 

[DarkShadowRage]

Here is a video of the glide toss in action, though the sound desynchs just for a little bit, and I screw up a few times but you should get what i mean in the video.

Glide toss also works while throwing in the air and at the ground as well.
Not sure if anyone has tested this but while testing glide tossing you don't even need to be facing away from the opponent when throwing it at the ground.

This is pretty cool while testing with the freezie.

This could be useful in dealing with peach and diddy at times.
And possible snake if he doesnt cook his nades.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JE5GV4XK


As I was saying about the freeize I was facing towards the opponent and launched myself in a sliding fashion just like the glide toss.

Oh and the glide toss, you don't need to face backwards now how ever, just roll forward while facing them and let er rip and you will slide.

In that video however i was facing backwards.

If you do it forwards they will just expect you to toss your armor parts like you normally do.
But however they won't expect you to glide across the screen at them while doing so, while facing backwards would pretty much give it away.

Here is the video where I was testing with the Freezie.
I call it the freezie glide toss, since you are facing forward but it's still a glide toss reguardless.
This works with every item obviously.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OBAZFB95
Video Download in the highest quality that I recorded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvE8W1SHBYM&fmt=18
There is the yotube Link to the video

 

[Orichalcum]

Yeah i got that glide tossing so lets not discuss this here and focus more on other techniques pretty please, thanks

 

[Snakeee]

I tested it tonight, if you time your side b just right at the edge of the stage you can hit them with it and get a tether recovery. It's really annoying to get so it's useful but highly improbable to execute.
Not to mention you need to be on level with the stage which needless to say is pretty much not good times for Zamus.

I actually do that a lot now, it's not really that hard though. Forward B just has so many uses. You can pretty much end anyone's edge guard off the stage with it too.

 

[DarkShadowRage]

Yeah i got that glide tossing so lets not discuss this here and focus more on other techniques pretty please, thanks

Oh I know, I just thought I wanted to expand on it because I thought I found something pretty cool to do with it =/

Also, after testing all the characters
These characters have the FARTHEST Glide toss, Being on FD I tested at the end of it.

This is testing forward toss and the up toss


Furthest Forward Toss:
Pit
Zelda
Donkey Kong

Second Furthest:
ZSS
R.O.B.
Mr Game & Watch

By furthest I mean how far they go from the end to the center, but ZSS's seems just fine how ever in a way, since the others go TOO far, you might end up in the wrong end as ZSS with her distance can continue to keep pounding them head on with the toss as the other people would slide right past you and fail to continue.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiLCUa8ql-0&fmt=18
Here is a video of it.

 

[tonyrulz92]

do ya know where i can see all the ATs of ZZS?

 

[tonyrulz92]

Anyone care to explaing what wave bouncing is?

 

[Ghost Slime]

I know a specific killing combo that no one uses with ZSS.

At higher percentages, like 105%-120%, use her Down-Smash and short hop over the opponent and use a B-air on them. I can't count how many times I've performed this combo successfully. It's that easy.

 

[Johnthegalactic]

I see that alot Ghost slime, try watching a few videos, but yeah, it works good.

 

[Ghost Slime]

I see that alot Ghost slime, try watching a few videos, but yeah, it works good.

Been there, done that. In fact, not even the people in the combo videos use this technique. Either way, I believe you.

 

[DeliciousCake]

No, people use it, it's not combo video material.

 

[Snakeee]

I know a specific killing combo that no one uses with ZSS.

At higher percentages, like 105%-120%, use her Down-Smash and short hop over the opponent and use a B-air on them. I can't count how many times I've performed this combo successfully. It's that easy.

Um...I always do that lol.
But, something that I do that I haven't seen others do is space short hop B-airs. You have to do them on the way down, and it's actually pretty unpunishable if spaced right because you can't get grabbed. It's also pretty powerful, and sometimes even hits though a weak shield. Camping them sometimes puts the pressure on, and I often mix these with forward-Bs (and paralyzer shots) for my approach.