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'Act of Aggression' from North Korea sinking South Korean ship
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Pluvia
Hates Semicolons<br>;
Full-scale war? AKA North Korea Vs Everyone Else more like.
I'm usually very left and not war hungry at all but I say we kick Kim Jong out before he acquires nukes.
I'm usually very left and not war hungry at all but I say we kick Kim Jong out before he acquires nukes.
North Korea just makes me sad; the citizens there are completely brainwashed into believing their country and leaders are great and superior, but live in poverty and starvation and now may be soon at war. Poor guys 
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
I see a war on our hands, and this time it wont be guerrilla sneak attacks like in Iraq and Afghanistan. This might be the biggest one, WWIII? I hope there are no Nuclear strikes. Does NK have any allies?
1. They already have nukes.
2. This is not likely to escalate into a full-scale war. Don't fall into the trap of believing everything the N. Korean government says. They have to put up a strong front so that their own citizens believe in them, or else their power could crumble. A nation in economic shambles does not wage war because it cannot sustain the costs of military operations. I think the government of N. Korea knows this.
Note also that they did not want to accept responsibility for the attack. It could be that they are actually trying to forestall both military action and sanctions by the South. If they had been interested in going to war, they could have come right out and said that they did it, but that they were justified because of reasons A, B and C.
3. China is one of N. Korea's allies, and China has an invested interest in preventing an East Asian war because a war would destabilize the region and threaten their economy.
darn, i was about to share this article =p
yeah its awful. I feel so bad for the citizens of North Korea as well. Their leaders are totally asking for it, and if a war breaks out...its going to be horrible. :/
yeah its awful. I feel so bad for the citizens of North Korea as well. Their leaders are totally asking for it, and if a war breaks out...its going to be horrible. :/
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
I wonder if we would have to pay off our dept to china if we went to war with them?
Going to war with china is the worlds worse nightmare, even though most country's think they deserve it do to their hostile takeover of Tibet. But the reason we don't fight them is because the rate of inflation would skyrocket, without cheep labor most of the companies around the world would go bankrupt. The state of the US economy would be 10 times worse than it is now.
Not if you win.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
North Korea may have the bomb, but they have no allies. China isn't going to back North Korea up, they have continually asked North Korea to hault the building of its military programs. They only want North Korea's money and their docks, they don't give a rats *** about the country itself. They share nothing more than a professional arrangement. China's no fool, they aren't going to put their economics success and future at stake for their two bit nothing neighbor.
Example: It came time for China to pick a side, the western world or North Korea. China picked us. China's in it for themselves and only themselves. Any "allies" they have are nothing in truth. They are a proud, solitary nation, because they can chose to be.
I'm placing my money on South all day.
Example: It came time for China to pick a side, the western world or North Korea. China picked us. China's in it for themselves and only themselves. Any "allies" they have are nothing in truth. They are a proud, solitary nation, because they can chose to be.
I'm placing my money on South all day.
OizenX
Smash Journeyman
North Korea is the Hermit Country. It believes in making no allies, starving your people and treating them like garbage is the best way to go. Well obviously they've already (or are close too) got their hands on the Nuclear Bomb. I wonder when they'll use it.
For all this china talk, China wouldn't side with them. The United states is their cash cow. Notice how everything is "Made in China". Killing your customers isn't the best way to make money.
For all this china talk, China wouldn't side with them. The United states is their cash cow. Notice how everything is "Made in China". Killing your customers isn't the best way to make money.
Sometimes I wonder what they're teaching you kids in school these days. Probably the same BS they taught me.
Not much to be done about that, is there?
Not much to be done about that, is there?
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
What reason would China have to side with N. Korea? Even during the cold war China wasn't blind to follow countries with similar doctrines. China's relationship with Korea is only to prevent one thing: Korean refugees. Having Korea fall apart would be bad for China, as it would destablise the region, increase the number of workers in an already worker surplus enviroment, and of course lose them some pocket change. If China REALLY wanted Korea to prosper, then why was it so apt to pressure China into ridding itself of Nuclear Missiles? China cares not for N. Korea. China cares only for itself. China will not side with North Korea on this, have no doubt. They have no reason to.
Pluvia
Hates Semicolons<br>;
They already have nukes?
Aw well, nothing we can do but sit around and ***** at them now.
Aw well, nothing we can do but sit around and ***** at them now.
OizenX
Smash Journeyman
I'm not sure if they have openly said it, but they have done many missle tests, and its obvious they are trying to develop it.
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
I think something like this happened about a year ago where NK was threatening Japan. Too bad Japan doesn't have an army, or they would wipe the floor with NK.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
If someone attacks Japan, its litterally our responsibility legally. Don't joke about that. An attack on Japan forces us to go to war.
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
I heard something about a missile threat against Japan a while ago, that's why I brought it up. I think NK doesn't want a war but be recognized as a threat.
Metal~Mario
Smash Lord
^NK has nukes.
Nothing else about them is threatening.
This'll blow over eventually.
Nothing else about them is threatening.
This'll blow over eventually.
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
We all know this isn't going to spark a war unless something bigger happens immediately after.
Metal~Mario
Smash Lord
lol I remember when NK tested its nukes....
We were all like OH **** and stuff.
Nothing happened though.
So, I'm feeling a little Deja Vu right now.
We were all like OH **** and stuff.
Nothing happened though.
So, I'm feeling a little Deja Vu right now.
Fuelbi
Banned via Warnings
If they do go to war, I suspect that it'll at least help out the economic conditions a bit if it ends up being like the US when we entered WWII where we got over teh depression pretty quickly from the opening of jobs
I can already feel WWIII: NK vs. Everyone Else
Dang it, someone already said that
I can already feel WWIII: NK vs. Everyone Else
Dang it, someone already said that
Metal~Mario
Smash Lord
^That would last like 3 days.
This thread just gets funnier and funnier.
For the record, all nation-states care only for themselves.
And please don't misinterpret me; I didn't make it clear, but I wasn't disagreeing with that part of your assertion, as noted below:
Old news is old.
N. Korea having nukes changes very little. Nukes are most valuable as deterrents to ground invasions. You can't launch them at another nuclear country because they will launch back at you.
No ****.
For the record, all nation-states care only for themselves.
And please don't misinterpret me; I didn't make it clear, but I wasn't disagreeing with that part of your assertion, as noted below:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6032525.stm
Old news is old.
That's what the world's been saying about the U.S. since 1945.
N. Korea having nukes changes very little. Nukes are most valuable as deterrents to ground invasions. You can't launch them at another nuclear country because they will launch back at you.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
United States is pretty prideful in caring about **** that's none of its business, such as Jerusalem.
But that's off topic sooo.
The point of a war in the Korean peninsula isn't whether or not the US and China will get involved, but how much damage would be done in the week or so that hostilities would last. N. Korea has over ten thousand artillery pieces aimed at Seoul.
This won't become a war, but no one should doubt that while China wouldn't start sending troops, they would definitely want to see a quick end to war for N. Korea's (and their own) sake, not because of Western interests.
This won't become a war, but no one should doubt that while China wouldn't start sending troops, they would definitely want to see a quick end to war for N. Korea's (and their own) sake, not because of Western interests.
Jerusalem is totally the United States' business.
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
A war with NK = no SK. If there is a war, then it's not going to be anything like the Korean war. South Korea will fall and North Korea will be decimated.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
I don't see how, except for that we caused the whole mess by taking the land in WWII. We still don't really benefit from their relationship.
Fuelbi
Banned via Warnings
This is why we're supposed use nukes on other countries that don't have em
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
the point of Nukes isn't to use Nukes. Using a nuke puts a ton of burden on the country who pushed the button, unless they take over the world. Its heavily looked down upon, and would result in the countries alienation UNLESS they more than aptly compensated the country, as we did with Japan. Nukes are a way to inlist fear, nothing more. If Regan knew one thing, it was war. He understood the concept that the best way to win a war is to avoid a war completely while still trumping your enemy. That's how he used the american military, bluffs about out anti-nuke program (star wars hahahaha), as well as our own Nuke program.
Well, it worked in 1945. Nothing went wrong there.This is why we're supposed use nukes on other countries that don't have em
They are an ally of the U.S. in a very strategic location, a location made strategic by that one precious commodity that powers everyone's cars.
I am curious why you think that political and military leaders are deterred from using nuclear weapons because it would make them "heavily looked down upon." The U.S. is heavily looked down upon for a lot of its policies, but it continues to carry them out because it doesn't matter how someone looks at you--it only matters whether or not they can realistically stop or punish you.
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Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
This is interesting. I am actually going to be in Vladivostok for about 1 month or so, which means I could literally walk into North Korea xD
Mota
"The snake, knowing itself, strikes swiftly"
Hmm looks serious.
Just wondering Crashic, or anyone else, how did America compensate Japan?
Just wondering Crashic, or anyone else, how did America compensate Japan?
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Sad
These are the reasons why America feels like it needs to police the world, because people are suffering in other countries because of their government.
Because America is perfect and no one suffers under the U.S.'s government?
Sephiroths Masamune
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Mr.Freeman
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Or at least not as badly as most other countries.
But don't the north koreans have the impression that they're living in a wonderful country due to the propaganda?
this
Don't most Americans think the same about their own country?
And many that do have never actually set foot outside of their own borders. Yet comments like this one are so prevalent:
Maybe Mr.Freeman has traveled the world, but I meet a lot of people saying the same thing when they haven't.
National Geographic put out an article about the country of Somalia a while ago. Readers were surprised at the level of fortitude and faith that the people living there have in their own countrymen and in their nation, the commitment they have towards building up their communities.
Similarly, many families who were forced to relocate to the U.S. due to war--whether they came from Laos, China or Afghanistan--often dream about going back. Many Americans seem to balk at that notion. "Why do you want to go back to that ****hole? Isn't there a war going on? Isn't the government oppressive?"
It's like when an American reporter went to Haiti after the quake, and he asked his guide, a 12 year old girl, whether she wanted to leave the country. She said, "No. Haiti is a beautiful country."
I don't know why that always seems to be the first words out of an American news reporter's mouth when they interview people in other countries during a crisis (I've seen it more than once). I also don't know what it is about education or media or culture that gives rise to that prevailing idea in the U.S. that America is the shining bedrock of civilization while every other piece of land on terrestrial earth is a seething pool of degeneracy, but even in people who fled their home countries as war refugees and landed in the U.S., even in them there is often a powerful draw to go back to the homeland. It seems that only foreigners are so willing to abandon a place as a "lost cause." But people are often rooted to the places where they were born, to the culture that gave them identity. The daily struggles that they deal with--oppression, brutality, censorship, landmines, car bombs--are just the daily struggles of life itself. In this world, no one is entitled to anything. You play the hand that you are dealt. It's as simple as that.
That's not to mention the other industrialized nations in the world (much of Western Europe, parts of Asia, parts of North Africa, Australia, parts of South America) where the standard of living is also fairly high.