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A short moment on shine -> bair

j3ly

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having taken up fox as a 2nd, i have the waveshine combos down so the natural next step is to learn how to shine bair!!

to make myself clear i am talking of shine bair on the ground - facing the enemy not from a jump or nething else.

the things i want to know are:-
- what characters cannot be shine bair'd
- the exact list of commands, and and actions

whoever helps me - thanks alot!!
 

Fortress | Sveet

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the only time i've ever shine bair'ed from the ground is vs fox/falco ~0% out of an upthrow. its flashy as hell but useless as ****.

slightly more useful is the uthrow shine bair in the air which can serve as a cool way to kill someone instead of uthrow uair. this is what i suggest you practice.

to do it follow these steps: press b, (optional) turn the control stick the direction you want to face, flick the control stick up (to jump cancel the shine), and do a bair with the c-stick. this must all be done about as fast as you can do it.

common problems:
1) shine hits but bair doesn't. This is because you are not bairing as soon as you leave the shine. Up on control stick and back on c-stick should happen (ideally) 1 frame after each other.
2) the weak part of the bair hits. This is because of where you hit them with the shine. If they go to your front you will need to turn around bair.

if you have problems post it
 

RaynEX

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having taken up fox as a 2nd, i have the waveshine combos down so the natural next step is to learn how to shine bair!!

to make myself clear i am talking of shine bair on the ground - facing the enemy not from a jump or nething else.

the things i want to know are:-
- what characters cannot be shine bair'd
- the exact list of commands, and and actions

whoever helps me - thanks alot!!


Shine bair has the potential to work on any character in the game. Half of the outcome rests on how you place the shine, while the other relies on your opponent's ability to d.i.

Shine bairing on the ground is very impractical. As Sveet said, the easiest way to go about doing it is uthrow at low percents to SH shine bair. High percent uthrow shine bair works too.

"I am talking of shine bair on the ground - facing the enemy not from a jump or nething else"

I'm not sure what you mean to say here. If you think that you can simply stand in front of them and shine bair...well then that doesn't work. Standing with your back facing your opponent and shine bairing won't work either. There is only one way of getting a shine bair to hit a grounded opponent. Momentum

If you start running and hit your grounded opponent (standing, on the floor, whatever) with a shine, you can JC it immediately and hit with the bair

or,

turn around in the shine as it hits and JC it for a bair. The second version would be a true ground shine bair.

Generally speaking, this is all very useless. Its the last thing I'd try to learn after just learning how to waveshine combo. You should be putting those combos to use in real matches before learning flashy techs. Focusing on different edge-stalls, movement tricks, character specific waveshine combos, chaingrabs, waveshining backwards and comboing, moving quickly around stages with both SHL and SHDL, edge-cancelling, and edge-guarding strats. All of these would help you alot more, imo.
 

TresChikon

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It's really pointless and if you screw up, you just lost a potential kill.

Leave the shine-bairs for Falco. There are way better options for Fox.
 

Fortress | Sveet

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yea after you can waveshine learn to move the stage. make sure you have a system down to turn around (some people dash dance fast to sh bair, some people dash away WD back bair, some just shine turn around bair).

if you are just playing with your friends you can get away with nair spamming, but nair lets me down so much these days.... bair is where its at.
 

4 Aces

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to do it follow these steps: press b, (optional) turn the control stick the direction you want to face, flick the control stick up (to jump cancel the shine), and do a bair with the c-stick. this must all be done about as fast as you can do it.

common problems:
1) shine hits but bair doesn't. This is because you are not bairing as soon as you leave the shine. Up on control stick and back on c-stick should happen (ideally) 1 frame after each other.
2) the weak part of the bair hits. This is because of where you hit them with the shine. If they go to your front you will need to turn around bair.

if you have problems post it
Although I'm sure it's possible to shine bair without the c-stick, is it practical to try and do? Or should I just stick to using the c-stick if I happen to decide to learn it? I'm not too concerned about learning this tech. I just wanted to know.
 

`DNS`

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yea after you can waveshine learn to move the stage. make sure you have a system down to turn around (some people dash dance fast to sh bair, some people dash away WD back bair, some just shine turn around bair).

if you are just playing with your friends you can get away with nair spamming, but nair lets me down so much these days.... bair is where its at.
i don't have anyone good to play with so nair spam is the business
 
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