A Conjecture of Characters to be in Brawl Based on Deduction

[susu_atari]

I don't agree with your logic for Young Link. I'll try not be biased, here, as he is one of my favourites.

Basically, you have to take into account Young Link's current status, and compare it with his previous status. In Melee, Young Link was the same Link as [Old] Link. We don't know why Young Link made it in, but we can assume that Sakurai's reason for putting him in may carry over to Brawl (possibly just that Sakurai likes the younger Link). The current status of Young Link, however, is one that can translate into a different character very easily, due to Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass.

Basically, if Sakurai wanted him in when he was a clone, why would he not want him in, now that he could be different?

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

I don't agree with your logic for Young Link. I'll try not be biased, here, as he is one of my favourites.

Basically, you have to take into account Young Link's current status, and compare it with his previous status. In Melee, Young Link was the same Link as [Old] Link. We don't know why Young Link made it in, but we can assume that Sakurai's reason for putting him in may carry over to Brawl (possibly just that Sakurai likes the younger Link). The current status of Young Link, however, is one that can translate into a different character very easily, due to Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass.

Basically, if Sakurai wanted him in when he was a clone, why would he not want him in, now that he could be different?

Yeah, but then look at his sword attacks. At best, he'd be a Luigi-fied Link.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Why do people think Y Link is Cel Link... Y Link is Melee's Link as a child aka OoT Link, and we have moved on from that. Please no more clones.

On Topic: This thread was probably one of the more logical ones, sadly it was also one of the more boring.

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

Why do people think Y Link is Cel Link... Y Link is Melee's Link as a child aka OoT Link, and we have moved on from that. Please no more clones.

On Topic: This thread was probably one of the more logical ones, sadly it was also one of the more boring.

Young Link=Cel Shaded Link. It's the only sensible conclusion.

This barely even makes any sense. This guy's attempt to sound smart, failed.

 

[nobletoast]

Spin-off doesn't mean that it's not its own franchise.

DK is not its own universe - Mario, DK, Wario, and Yoshi are all connected. Spin-off should not be a dirty word.

The only main series Mario game Donkey Kong featured in is the original game - 'Donkey Kong' and 'Donkey Kong Jr'. Its totally subjective who is the star of the original game but I believe it was in fact D.K. Just because he is not playable doesnt mean he is the star - just look at System Shock 2, theres no doubt that SHODAN is that games star. D.K. and his barrels are definatly the most inconic aspect of that game and the most remembered, that doesnt technically make him the star though i admitt. Who is the star of that game is open to interpretation.

As for them being in the same universe, its hard to decide. D.K. was bundled into Super Mario Kart to boost sales and since then has become a fixture in the Mario Sport/Party games (probably because of the giant success of Suoper Mario Kart). But claiming that their same franchise because of the sport and party games (not you in particular, other users in this thread) is moronic. On that basis Black Mage and Moogle are also part of the Mario universe (Mario Hoops).

The point I was making is that whoever is or isnt a spin off, that Donkey Kong as a franchise deserved three playable characters, is quite likely to get three and is more than deserving to be elevated beyond the label of Mario expansion like Yoshi and Wario (although Wario is really getting over this lately).

 

[A Link to the Snitch]

1. Lolo started on its own. Lolo later had a cameo in a game made by the same company. DK started as Mario's villain. He later went off on his own. Two COMPLETELY different scenarios.

2. Um, Link's got plenty of sword moves from his five different games, dude.

3. Donkey Kong for the Game Boy, Mario vs. Donkey Kong for the Game Boy Advance, and Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis all feature DK. In fact, MvDK shows him in his jungle, and he leaves the jungle and enters Mario's area. How is that "not connected"?

4. There has never been a reasonable argument to suggest that DK is the star of the original Donkey Kong. What did he do to warrant such a position that Bowser apparently didn't? And if you honestly believe that the title of the game being Donkey Kong, I guess you also agree that The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening is about Zelda, even though she's not even in it. DK does absolutely nothing special to warrant the title of "star" of DK. Mario is the protagonist, you play as Mario fighting against DK, the objective is to make DK the "loser" of the game. Without Mario, the game could not be played. A lack of DK would, however, not affect the game. Mario is the most important character for the same reason that Red, Link, Solid Snake, Sonic the Hedgehog, Kirby, Samus, Pit, Ice Climbers, Marth, Ike, Mr. Game & Watch, Captain Falcon, Fox McCloud, Wario, Yoshi, Ness, and Lucas are the most important - not only in plot, but in gameplay as well.

 

[nobletoast]

3. Donkey Kong for the Game Boy, Mario vs. Donkey Kong for the Game Boy Advance, and Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis all feature DK. In fact, MvDK shows him in his jungle, and he leaves the jungle and enters Mario's area. How is that "not connected"?

4. There has never been a reasonable argument to suggest that DK is the star of the original Donkey Kong. What did he do to warrant such a position that Bowser apparently didn't? And if you honestly believe that the title of the game being Donkey Kong, I guess you also agree that The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening is about Zelda, even though she's not even in it. DK does absolutely nothing special to warrant the title of "star" of DK. Mario is the protagonist, you play as Mario fighting against DK, the objective is to make DK the "loser" of the game. Without Mario, the game could not be played. A lack of DK would, however, not affect the game. Mario is the most important character for the same reason that Red, Link, Solid Snake, Sonic the Hedgehog, Kirby, Samus, Pit, Ice Climbers, Marth, Ike, Mr. Game & Watch, Captain Falcon, Fox McCloud, Wario, Yoshi, Ness, and Lucas are the most important - not only in plot, but in gameplay as well.

1. Im talking the games considered the main series. The handheld spin offs are not the main Mario series. Surely we can agree on that?

2. My point wasnt so much as D.K. was the star but more that alot of people see him as the star. When that game was released Donkey Kong became a popular culture icon, Mario never become so until Super Mario Bros. Because Mario was playable and the protagonist means nothing. He was a nameless shell, default of any character. A stock player. The game was named Donkey Kong because he was the more memorable character. As for whose the star, I conceed that perhaps Mario is the star.

BUT not everyone see's it that way. Little things like D.K.'s appearences in popular culture from that game and the title of the game give many people to impression that he was the star.

Throughout this whole debacle my point has been that, spin-off or not the DK franchise is far more than a mere expansion of Mario and deserves to be repped for all the franchise has done. And that, contarory to the thread started opinion, it is very likely their will be three D.K. reps in Smash Bros Brawl. That is my point.

 

[A Link to the Snitch]

1. How are they closer to "party" games than main games? They are platforming games, with plots. The old GB DK game is not a "spin-off", it's a continuation of DK's gameplay, so in fact, it's more or less a main game.

2. Just because Donkey Kong is recognizable does not change the fact that Jumpman was as well, extremely so. Everyone played DK, so everyone knows who he was. He was the star of this new, exciting game that was stealing America's youth's cash.

 

[nobletoast]

1. How are they closer to "party" games than main games? They are platforming games, with plots. The old GB DK game is not a "spin-off", it's a continuation of DK's gameplay, so in fact, it's more or less a main game.

2. Just because Donkey Kong is recognizable does not change the fact that Jumpman was as well, extremely so. Everyone played DK, so everyone knows who he was. He was the star of this new, exciting game that was stealing America's youth's cash.

1. The Mario Vs Donkey Kong handhelds are no more part of the main Mario canon than Super Smash Bros. Their both not party games and have plots. When did I compare them to party games?

2. I agree. I never said the opposite in my post. I think D.k. was more memorable and I have stated before that this is truly subjective. I agree with you that Jumpman was the star (you bowled me over). I dont see what this has to do with what i posted.

As I said in the last post:

Throughout this whole debacle my point has been that, spin-off or not the DK franchise is far more than a mere expansion of Mario and deserves to be repped for all the franchise has done. And that, contarory to the thread started opinion, it is very likely their will be three D.K. reps in Smash Bros Brawl. That is my point.

This all started at the implication that Donkey Kong wont/doesnt deserve three reps.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

You've got to be kidding me. Donkey Kong a part of the Mario franchise? Thats total BS - Mario started on DK's franchise and split from him, not the other way around; DK's franchise has always been and always will be its own entity. Marth too similar to Ike? Again total BS - the only real similarity is their hair color, and appearance does not determine worthiness for SSB. Sheik isn't returning because the Zelda cast has their TP looks? More BS - Zelda still has OoT spells for specials, theres no reason she couldn't also transform into Sheik. Another Sonic character is "inconclusive?" Thats utterly laughable - theres no reason they'd put in a second character from his series whatsoever, especially when there are other, more popular, more in-demand, bigger-name third party characters to choose from. You refuse to take into account popularity? Ridiculous - thats the entire reason some characters get in - for example Sonic, whom Sakurai blatantly admitted is in due to immense fan demand in his dojo update. And you've utterly failed to take into account other series, such as Pikmin, Animal Crossing, or Golden Sun.

This analysis contains little logic and is plainly mostly rooted in pure opinion and limited knowledge and perceptions of its author. Dressing it up in formal format does not make it a valid analysis, it only makes it all the more laughable.

Zevox

Yeah zevox i agree with you man , This roster is CRUD.

Hmm let's look at it first "Sonic unexpected" Laughable "Pichu insignifigant" LOL , You forgot to take into account all the OTHER Possible methosd , You say another WW Rep is likely yet "Earthbound doesen't need another rep because ness is in the original 12 and he got replaced" It's quite obvious that your logic fails , What about K Rool eh ? Furthermore this roster is totally biased, Stupid thread.

 

[lilparadise]

Please explain how Marth is too similar to Ike aside from 1 similar move and somewhat similar hair color?

Other than that, I see your logic and reasoning.

He's almost completely diffrent from Ike... except for one move.

Wouldn't Sonic be considered a Mario rep because of the olympic games title thier in together. (I'm just kiding of course)

 

[Zorya]

Marth=Ike.

Jus kiddin. I like Marth, but Ike should have a better down-B.

 

[3D King]

He's almost completely diffrent from Ike... except for one move.

Wouldn't Sonic be considered a Mario rep because of the olympic games title thier in together. (I'm just kiding of course)

That's why I asked

On the whole DK thing: Does it matter that DK/Wario exist on the same planet as Mario? They both still have their own series/francise with its own characters.

 

[A Link to the Snitch]

Basically, let me sum this up simply...

DK is a part of the Mario series as a spin-off.

He may not appear in the main games, but neither does Wario (anymore), but no one would argue that Wario isn't a part of the Mario series (only because of his costume).