8p melee

[Phaazoid]

this thread will be about the possibility of being able to have an 8p melee in super smash bros brawl. most video game systems have only four players. they haven't said the wii would only have four ports. and having eight players would really improve parties

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

All the photos I've seen of the Wii only have 4 slots, but through online it could happen.

 

[icymatt]

They actually HAVE said that the Wii's sensor bar only has 4 ports.

 

[ja_ov]

no, that would just be too crazy

four player matches already get way too hectic and it usually ends up being a battle to see who can kill the one target player (whether its the noob, the best player, the highest percentage, the one with the most stock, w/e). And that just removes any skill from the game. A falco player could just f-smash across the stage and end up winning a 4-player match and a samus could just charge shot her life away.

And i really can't imagine why eight players would need to play in one battle. the stage would have to be enormous, in which case you would really be able to see whats happening because of the zoom.

i think, based on the twenty or so serious smash players i know personally, the general consensus is that 1v1 is the way to go and 2v2 (friendly fire off) would be the next best thing

 

[Phaazoid]

it wouldn't be cazy, it would be awsome. i have 6 friends who are always competing through tournaments because because they can only have four players. pros at the game can operate just fine hectic or not. if you could have eight people that would be more fun than not

 

[thedudley]

They actually HAVE said that the Wii's sensor bar only has 4 ports.

the sensor bar doesn't apply here, because that is for the wii-mote, and IGN has said that the game will play from the gamecube controller ports on the top and they aren't going to redesign the system with 8 ports at the last minute, i mean the E3 showing was basically the final edition minus some small details, and no the ports aren't a small detail. Small detail means the way the power button operates and feels, or how fast the eject motor works.

online play makes 8p possible, but not on that level in the video, the one with the three platforms like every basic level in SSB, that one was tiny.

the levels would have to be pretty big to support 8 players. i mean can you imagine 8p on fountain of dreams or some other small level.

i don't think pros can operate with 7 other people against you. this isn't some kung-fu movie where everyone comes one at a time.

 

[TDub301]

Everyone against having 8 players is making very good points. I think that is kind of obvious, though, to anyone who plays Smash. The people who want 8 players like the chaos, that's most of the reason they want 8 players, so it gets more chaotic and out of control. Part of me likes to think that Brawl could end up being so deep that a single player, if he or she is good enough, could take on 7 other players at the same time and destroy them (there's a lot of kung fu movies where the bad guys don't come one at a time, but it is way more common, though).

 

[Peeze]

8p would be too many people on the screen, and too many things going on at once. Maybe 6 at most not 8.

 

[Ophelius]

Okay guys, imagine 8 ppl on yoshi's story, especially Ice climbers. TOO CRAZY!

 

[Vasilicus]

I feel that I don't even need to explain the not-logic-ness behind this. I'm just surprised it isn't locked yet.

 

[FireBomb]

Lag lag and more LAG. And Brawl would end up being a button masher with that many people. Sometimes less is more, you know?

 

[Ophelius]

Exactly, dude. Maybe they should stick with four, right?

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

All the photos I've seen of the Wii only have 4 slots, but through online it could happen.

Lol,no freaking way,if they are having trouble with 1 on 1,how the hell will they fit 8??

I say no to this,the lag would be horrible.(On and Offline)

 

[trevbang]

I don't think the processor could handle 8 people. They say the PS3 would be able to handle 7 players at once and it is supposed to be a super computer.

 

[Phaazoid]

Everyone against having 8 players is making very good points. I think that is kind of obvious, though, to anyone who plays Smash. The people who want 8 players like the chaos, that's most of the reason they want 8 players, so it gets more chaotic and out of control. Part of me likes to think that Brawl could end up being so deep that a single player, if he or she is good enough, could take on 7 other players at the same time and destroy them (there's a lot of kung fu movies where the bad guys don't come one at a time, but it is way more common, though).

i couldn't have said it better myself. i function better when there is chaos and sometimes am able to take advantage of it.

 

[shinehex]

From the sounds of it I think I would hate it. Sometimes when I'm doing 4-man melee with my friends it does feel like it's too much. But I guess If I try it I may like it...I'm not sure.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Here's something that should end this whole convo:

Let's see,how many GC ports are on the Wii..hmm?? Zomg,it's 4!!!

Math is a wonderful thing isn't it??

I don't even have to explain about online.

 

[Peeze]

Even thouggh that should clear up the argument I'm gonna be a pain in the @$$ and ask what everyone's thinking:what if SSBB can be played using the VC controller?
4 GC ports + 4 VC ports = 8 Total!
(I don't support 8p just bringing to your attention a flaw in your thinking )

 

[Phaazoid]

does online play ring a bell?

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Even thouggh that should clear up the argument I'm gonna be a pain in the @$$ and ask what everyone's thinking:what if SSBB can be played using the VC controller?
4 GC ports + 4 VC ports = 8 Total!
(I don't support 8p just bringing to your attention a flaw in your thinking )

Well,here is a flaw,Brawl will be using GC controlers,not the VC,so that eliminates that theory..

does online play ring a bell?

Does horrible lag ring a bell?

 

[Stryks]

They said that online would only be 1-on-1 battles, I believe I read that in IGN, still hope they fix that, tough it would be sweet, how will 8 percentaje icons fit in the screen? lol

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

They said that online would only be 1-on-1 battles, I believe I read that in IGN, still hope they fix that, tough it would be sweet, how will 8 percentaje icons fit in the screen? lol

If they had 8 players,the soccer moms of america would try to sue for giving their kids seizures.

 

[Peeze]

Well,here is a flaw,Brawl will be using GC controlers,not the VC,so that eliminates that theory..

...and that was confirmed when?

 

[h1roshi]

i posted b4 about the 8 player thing in the 8v8 thread...obvously u cant have 8 players on 1 system...but do u guys kno nething about system linking?....like in xbox...they have there 4v4 matches on xboxes and 2 screens...it'll be the same thing for wii if they do it...u'll have to system link 2 wii's and have 2 tv's to play 8 players fights...but i dont kno if wii is gonna support system link....peace

-hiroshi

 

[Peeze]

Naw, that would be too confusing to have 2 screens. In smash going off screen usually means a KO, if you fly of the side of one screen do you end up on the other screen or KO'd?

 

[Ruination]

Here's something that should end this whole convo:

Let's see,how many GC ports are on the Wii..hmm?? Zomg,it's 4!!!

Math is a wonderful thing isn't it??

I don't even have to explain about online.

(Chuckles) Appearances can be decieving. 4 GC Ports, 4 Wii Retro Controller Ports. Double-check before you publicly embarass yourself like this.

 

[REØ]

online play can probably only go 1 v 1 with the least lag, and i dont think 8 players would be such a good idea the battles would get too insane, maybe 6 players could be possible

 

[Sgt. Spontaneous]

As far as 8 players and being hectic goes, that can be proved in melee. Pick whatever the smallest stage, probably Mute City, with 4 level 9 Iceclimbers. Enough said.

 

[FireBomb]

The most there ever was on in Melee was 6 during multi-man melee, but thats only with computers who die really easily. 8 players would just be too much.

 

[The Basement Dweller]

It would be nice as long as the game didn't suffer graphically, how many stages/ characters it could have, or have a major frame rate issue.( A slight decrease while playing with eight people would be acceptable in my opinion.) I don't think it will happen, but it would be neat if it did.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

(Chuckles) Appearances can be decieving. 4 GC Ports, 4 Wii Retro Controller Ports. Double-check before you publicly embarass yourself like this.

How am i embarassing myself?? It's easy to say that it's possible,but are any of you designing the game??Do you kow how complicated it's going to be to have twice as many characters on 1 screen without there any possiblities of lag or glitching??

And there has been no confirmation that Brawl will be using any of the VC controls,even though the Retro control does sound reasonable.But how can they try to configure a use for it if the retro control is still most likely under development,but doesn't the the VC remote connect under the retro remote(I read that on IGN),i don't know how comfortable that would be.

But anyway,i don't know if that the Wii can support enough FPS for 8 players,and online would be a major compliction.I know alot of people are gonna mention Ice climbers,but even though they are two characters at a time they are small and don't have as many frames as other characters.(This is atleast what i theorize)

I'm just going by this,there is Semi confirmation for the GC control use,there is NO confirmation for the use of any VC controls.Even though there may be in the near future,i'm afraid that we don't have any information about the se of the VC controls.

 

[rotinegg]

People, why do you have to be such negative nancies? The original poster, samusrules93, probably did not have all the techincal stuff in mind, but just wanted to share his thoughts on the possibility of having an 8 player melee, which is exactly what he did. 'Wouldn't it be cool to allow up to 8 people to play in one game?' And how did you guys respond? "OH man thats not possible and thats just crazy talk. Four player games already give me enough of a headache." Well there happens to be a lot of people who love four player games, including me. I already hear people saying, "That's because you have no skill and you just want to sit on the side with samus and shoot missles" or whatever. No, I do not want to do that, and I might not be the best player around, but it doesnt mean that I have no skill. I like four player games because of their own unique qualities that 1 on 1 games can't offer. The confusion, chaos, literally being "in the fray..." You dont have to worry about your skills being judged by anybody, you can just sit back and chill. It's hard to find that in 1v1 games.

The issue of whether or not it is possible is a seperate issue. Go on, make your own topic about it if you want, but this is not the topic where you should be fighting about that stuff. This thread is for people who want to discuss the idea of it, not for people who want to say it's impossible because the system can't support 8 players playing at once, even though the system isn't going to be out for another year. Plus, what good does it do? You guys fighting about it. Does it change anything that Nintendo is planning? Do you think Nintendo is going to look into this topic and change their plans on the Wii accordingly? No. Or do you jsut feel the need to shut somebody down once in a while to feel better better about yourselves?

I personally love the idea of having an 8 person melee. Thank you samusrules93 for bringing up such an idea. Why is it such a blasphemy to even talk about having an 8 person melee? Is that a sin of some sort or what? Is it THAT hard to just not be divisive for a moment and immediately shut down somebody's opinion just because you dont like it? Why is it that nobody thinks if they had an 8 person melee, you would still be able to play the traditional 1,2,3, or 4 person melee? It's not like enabling UP TO 8 people to play in a game is going to get rid of 1 on 1 rounds, is it? It's just creating another option. If you don't understand what the word optional means, I highly suggest you look it up in a dictionary.

When did smash turn into such a fierce, competitive thing, where it is all about skill and winning 1 on 1 matches? Wasn't the whole purpose of video games just to sit back and chill? What happened to that? Are people like ken and ChuDat who play professionally the only people who play smash? No. I am not saying that NOBODY should delve deeper into the game and try to become better at it. IF you want to, fine, go ahead, but dont rule out the other people who sometimes simply want to have a good time playing the game.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

this thread will be about the possibility of being able to have an 8p melee in super smash bros brawl. most video game systems have only four players. they haven't said the wii would only have four ports. and having eight players would really improve parties

Um,did he or did he not say something about possibility?And we stated why we think it wouldn't be possible,negative or not,that's what the thread is about.

People, why do you have to be such negative nancies? The original poster, samusrules93, probably did not have all the techincal stuff in mind, but just wanted to share his thoughts on the possibility of having an 8 player melee, which is exactly what he did. 'Wouldn't it be cool to allow up to 8 people to play in one game?' And how did you guys respond? "OH man thats not possible and thats just crazy talk. Four player games already give me enough of a headache." Well there happens to be a lot of people who love four player games, including me. I already hear people saying, "That's because you have no skill and you just want to sit on the side with samus and shoot missles" or whatever. No, I do not want to do that, and I might not be the best player around, but it doesnt mean that I have no skill. I like four player games because of their own unique qualities that 1 on 1 games can't offer. The confusion, chaos, literally being "in the fray..." You dont have to worry about your skills being judged by anybody, you can just sit back and chill. It's hard to find that in 1v1 games.

It's all a matter of personl opinion,and obviously,more people just happen to have the same line of thought,you can't avoid that,this is a topic for discussing others opinion on the,and if you don't like it,just don't post here i guess.

The issue of whether or not it is possible is a seperate issue. Go on, make your own topic about it if you want, but this is not the topic where you should be fighting about that stuff. This thread is for people who want to discuss the idea of it, not for people who want to say it's impossible because the system can't support 8 players playing at once, even though the system isn't going to be out for another year. Plus, what good does it do? You guys fighting about it. Does it change anything that Nintendo is planning? Do you think Nintendo is going to look into this topic and change their plans on the Wii accordingly? No. Or do you jsut feel the need to shut somebody down once in a while to feel better better about yourselves?

Were not trying to shut anyone up,were just posting our opinions,we know that our arguing doesn't change anything,neither does your argument.

I personally love the idea of having an 8 person melee. Thank you samusrules93 for bringing up such an idea. Why is it such a blasphemy to even talk about having an 8 person melee? Is that a sin of some sort or what? Is it THAT hard to just not be divisive for a moment and immediately shut down somebody's opinion just because you dont like it? Why is it that nobody thinks if they had an 8 person melee, you would still be able to play the traditional 1,2,3, or 4 person melee? It's not like enabling UP TO 8 people to play in a game is going to get rid of 1 on 1 rounds, is it? It's just creating another option. If you don't understand what the word optional means, I highly suggest you look it up in a dictionary.

We say it's blasphemy because we are looking at the logic of the hardwear and technological capabilities of the VC.We don't know what the VC can do,that's for sure.

When did smash turn into such a fierce, competitive thing, where it is all about skill and winning 1 on 1 matches? Wasn't the whole purpose of video games just to sit back and chill? What happened to that? Are people like ken and ChuDat who play professionally the only people who play smash? No. I am not saying that NOBODY should delve deeper into the game and try to become better at it. IF you want to, fine, go ahead, but dont rule out the other people who sometimes simply want to have a good time playing the game.

Well,that's the way it is.The game got competitive because of tournaments and advanced techniques.We are just holding our opinions,just like you are.

 

[rotinegg]

Um,did he or did he not say something about possibility?And we stated why we think it wouldn't be possible,negative or not,that's what the thread is about.

Yes it did, but he did not mean "Is it technically possible? Is it feasible for the Wii's processor to run an 8person melee without lag?" The possibility in its context it most likely meant "Wouldn't it be fun if there was an option to play an 8 person melee?"

It's all a matter of personl opinion,and obviously,more people just happen to have the same line of thought,you can't avoid that,this is a topic for discussing others opinion on the,and if you don't like it,just don't post here i guess.

point taken. I guess I was a little bit worked up after reading 20 posts saying why there should absolutely be no such thing as an 8 person melee in brawl. Sorry=P

Were not trying to shut anyone up,were just posting our opinions.

What is this then?

I feel that I don't even need to explain the not-logic-ness behind this. I'm just surprised it isn't locked yet.

We say it's blasphemy because we are looking at the logic of the hardwear and technological capabilities of the VC.We don't know what the VC can do,that's for sure.

You're looking at the logic of the hardwear and technological capabilities of something thats not out? Oh really? How do you do that? If you don't know what it can do, as you have stated, why are you saying it will be impossible as if it were a fact?

Well,that's the way it is.The game got competitive because of tournaments and advanced techniques.We are just holding our opinions,just like you are.

Again, why not leave the option of having an 8 person melee open? You might not like it, then just don't play it. Just go have 1 on 1 matches like you would in melee. On the otherhand, others might like big matches, so let them be able to if they want. I dont see any problems with that.

 

[Phaazoid]

People, why do you have to be such negative nancies? The original poster, samusrules93, probably did not have all the techincal stuff in mind, but just wanted to share his thoughts on the possibility of having an 8 player melee, which is exactly what he did. 'Wouldn't it be cool to allow up to 8 people to play in one game?' And how did you guys respond? "OH man thats not possible and thats just crazy talk. Four player games already give me enough of a headache." Well there happens to be a lot of people who love four player games, including me. I already hear people saying, "That's because you have no skill and you just want to sit on the side with samus and shoot missles" or whatever. No, I do not want to do that, and I might not be the best player around, but it doesnt mean that I have no skill. I like four player games because of their own unique qualities that 1 on 1 games can't offer. The confusion, chaos, literally being "in the fray..." You dont have to worry about your skills being judged by anybody, you can just sit back and chill. It's hard to find that in 1v1 games.

The issue of whether or not it is possible is a seperate issue. Go on, make your own topic about it if you want, but this is not the topic where you should be fighting about that stuff. This thread is for people who want to discuss the idea of it, not for people who want to say it's impossible because the system can't support 8 players playing at once, even though the system isn't going to be out for another year. Plus, what good does it do? You guys fighting about it. Does it change anything that Nintendo is planning? Do you think Nintendo is going to look into this topic and change their plans on the Wii accordingly? No. Or do you jsut feel the need to shut somebody down once in a while to feel better better about yourselves?

I personally love the idea of having an 8 person melee. Thank you samusrules93 for bringing up such an idea. Why is it such a blasphemy to even talk about having an 8 person melee? Is that a sin of some sort or what? Is it THAT hard to just not be divisive for a moment and immediately shut down somebody's opinion just because you dont like it? Why is it that nobody thinks if they had an 8 person melee, you would still be able to play the traditional 1,2,3, or 4 person melee? It's not like enabling UP TO 8 people to play in a game is going to get rid of 1 on 1 rounds, is it? It's just creating another option. If you don't understand what the word optional means, I highly suggest you look it up in a dictionary.

When did smash turn into such a fierce, competitive thing, where it is all about skill and winning 1 on 1 matches? Wasn't the whole purpose of video games just to sit back and chill? What happened to that? Are people like ken and ChuDat who play professionally the only people who play smash? No. I am not saying that NOBODY should delve deeper into the game and try to become better at it. IF you want to, fine, go ahead, but dont rule out the other people who sometimes simply want to have a good time playing the game.

thank you. i couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Peeze]

Yo you people are fairies. We're talking about SSB, this isn't a life or death thing so stop getting your panties in a twist, thats what these forums are for, samusrules93 said talk about the possibility of it happening. Some people think it's possible and fun, and some people think that it's impossible cause of the graphical setbacks. Thats not technical thats just common sense. Why the **** would they release a new system and game with crappier graphics? 8x8 would hinder the graphical renderings.
(Sorry for this rant, i have a short temper and crap like this makes me act like David Banner)

 

[roffle]

no there is no way thered be an 8-way match. itd be too crazy, too laggy, and unnecessary. of course if they did do that they should restrict some stages that cant take that many players.

 

[marthsword]

Rotinegg, thank you for clearing that up for everyone

 

[Mud Buddha]

Naw, that would be too confusing to have 2 screens. In smash going off screen usually means a KO, if you fly of the side of one screen do you end up on the other screen or KO'd?

Splitting the game over several screens would be so awesome. Poke'floats would be incredible.

 

[Ophelius]

Yo you people are fairies. We're talking about SSB, this isn't a life or death thing so stop getting your panties in a twist, thats what these forums are for, samusrules93 said talk about the possibility of it happening.

I don't wear panties. And SSBB is gonna be using the GC controller anyway.