URGH, I was about to post something similiar to that!
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7 year old girl killed during Mortal Kombat play fight
- Thread starter Red Exodus
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Vinnie275
Smash Master
I wasn't joking at all. I'm a heartless person. I've seen some ****ed up **** in my life. The few people that know me best will profess that I am bad company.
You can interpret it as bad taste humor if you feel the need to be sheltered from reality.
In truth, if a death is personal to me, then I will fully respect all those involved in it. However this case is like I think CK said? Natural selection. I have no respect for such foolhardy actions. While I would not think to harm this person, it is good that they are gone now as stupidity this grand would hurt others later.
I am not without compassion. I am a realist however and it is of no value to pity the dead.
It is a wise old biblical saying, "let the dead bury the dead".
I digress.
Do you think I'm a butthead? Perhaps I meant it in good humor on the sub conscious level.
Honestly though, I do think a Mortal Kombat style death is most becoming.
Vinnie275
Smash Master
RizardoLawless
Smash Journeyman
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Nothing is too serious to joke around about
brawl_maniac
Smash Journeyman
WTF
They deserve a worse punishment.
They deserve a worse punishment.
PRINCESS PEACH777
Smash Lord
poor girl i really feel sorry for her should they really leave a 7 years old with a teenageer?
Retroking2000
Smash Master
For ever 1 step forward, something like this ends up launching us 15 steps back.
Here is what I'm going to predict,
1. The current political candidates will jump all over this as another brick for their election platforms.
2. Wacko Jacko (and his ilk) will add this case to their little list of things to point to and go "ZOMG VIDEO GAMES WILL WALK INTO YOUR HOME ANDJUST FLAT OUT ****ING KILL CHILDREN"
I hate to be such a pessimist, but I can't be the only one who feels like no matter how many logical, reasonable, well worded and downright undeniable arguments we make, the only ones listening to them with any seriousness is gamers just like us. Not the ignorant parents, anti-gaming activists and politicians who, if public perception of events like this are going to change anytime soon, are the ones we really need on our side.
If you are 16 and even THINKING about punching a 7 year old girl with any sort of seriousness, there is something ****ing wrong with YOU.
Not the liquor, not the games,
YOU.
Here is what I'm going to predict,
1. The current political candidates will jump all over this as another brick for their election platforms.
2. Wacko Jacko (and his ilk) will add this case to their little list of things to point to and go "ZOMG VIDEO GAMES WILL WALK INTO YOUR HOME ANDJUST FLAT OUT ****ING KILL CHILDREN"
I hate to be such a pessimist, but I can't be the only one who feels like no matter how many logical, reasonable, well worded and downright undeniable arguments we make, the only ones listening to them with any seriousness is gamers just like us. Not the ignorant parents, anti-gaming activists and politicians who, if public perception of events like this are going to change anytime soon, are the ones we really need on our side.
If you are 16 and even THINKING about punching a 7 year old girl with any sort of seriousness, there is something ****ing wrong with YOU.
Not the liquor, not the games,
YOU.
Red Exodus
Smash Master
So true. With television you can't go "I saw a show about this so that show made me do it!" no one would even listen to that but with games they make it sound like it's a drug.
BearsAreScary
Smash Journeyman
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has anyone said this yet:
fatality
fatality
orintemple
Smash Lord
XD That's terrible but funny.
What happened to that girl is sad but people die from **** all the time. What about all the shootings that happen do to gang related activities. There are way more of those than DRUNKEN video game fights. Video game violence is the least of the problems in the United States. People need to learn priorities, clean up big problems before small ones.
Taco Head
Smash Ace
Red Exodus
Smash Master
You know what I thought when I first read that?
Why would even want to copy MK. The game sucks. It sucked back when it first came out and it sucks now.
Why would even want to copy MK. The game sucks. It sucked back when it first came out and it sucks now.
Vinnie275
Smash Master
props to you
Cinder
Smash Master
......aight, before I begin this post, I would like to apologize for the way I acted earlier...I know I was acting like a hypocrite and a douche, and I apologize for that. But I wanted to clear the air of any confusion or hatred.The first thing I'd like to mention is that, as I have admitted before, joking around about this kind of stuff is FINE, but only to an extent. I also think that joking around about this kind of stuff can even help the grieving process...by that, I mean to say that it is much better to stay lighthearted rather than heavyhearted and grievous. I will admit, some of the jokes I've seen were funny, such as Forward's and the one I've quoted (and so many more I just didn't mention). Besides, we didn't know the girl...it's a shame this happened, but as strangers to the family and the victim herself, we can't feel too much grief...I will admit, I felt pretty bad about it, but I'm fairly sensitive to death.
And as for having **** in my sig...I do agree with you that it's inappropriate...and I even intend to change my sig. I won't try to blame Elysium, since it was my conscious decision to use it in my sig and to join the club...and I accept full responsibility for it. And as for the DBR argument, my intention wasn't to say "they did it, why can't we", but to give an example of an even worse use of the term...DEATH by ****...imo, it's offensive either way, but death by **** sounds worse than **** staff...but it's offensive and innappropriate in BOTH cases, I will not try and deny that...
The point of this post was to clear the air of any lingering disgust at the way I acted. I know this discussion has long passed, but it's been bugging me ever since, and I wanted to know that there were no hard feelings left over. I accept full responsibility for every word I said, and want to come out front and apologize for it...so, I'm sorry I was such a hypocrital jerk...
notftomearth7
Smash Lord
This is SICK!
It pains me, now Jack Thompson will have more excuses to ban games forever.
It pains me, now Jack Thompson will have more excuses to ban games forever.
I do believe that sums it up.
I hate stupidity.
digitalmaster287
Smash Journeyman
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These are the kinds of events that just plain sicken me because they blame video games. I mean wtf....
Sandy
Smash Champion
Why hasn't Jack Thompson gotten fired up about this?
antimatter
Smash Lord
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good question. maybe he's still too angry about the penny arcade incident to notice anything else.
Dark Link
Smash Journeyman
They probably just got mad at the kid for crying or smarting off (dang kids these days and their disrepectful mouths), and beat the kid up. They then thought they could use the good 'ole "video games made me do it" to try and get out of it.
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
He probably gave up cuz I hadn't seen or heard of that guy in so long.
I T I
Smash Apprentice
Too busy vacationing in Vegas.
Killing cops, and hiding behind dumpsters until they give up looking for him.
Cinder
Smash Master
Well, they were drunk, from what I hear...so that doesn't sound too farfetched...knowing how society is about video games and violence, it would seem possible...
RazeveX
Smash Ace
This is obviously a real tragedy, but it really pisses me off to hear smashers i respect say things like
"if they dont get life or death, i will have lost all faith in the american judicial system."
OH COME ON!!! COME THE F**K ON!!!
Obviously they should go to jail; they need to be taught for their mistakes, but you guys need to understand that (unless this is a bigger story than we think) they didnt mean to cause any harm to anyone. THEY DONT DESERVE LIFE. Innocent until proven guilty (i am not referring to the crime, but to the motives and events causing them).
I'm quite a small guy, and my brother is huge (unlike the rest of our family). We used to wrestle around and stuff like that, but often it would end up in me hurt for some reason. Why? Because he couldn't control his strength every now and then, and i was a mouse. I guess he forgot who i was and started playing around like he would with his friends, without realizing how much weaker i was. If i punched him, he barely felt it. If he lightly punches me, i go to the floor. That 7 year old girl sounds very very fragile. If they weren't drunk, then I'd agree with all of you. But they were.
If i had all of the details on this story, then i would be much more confident in what i'm saying; but i cant be sure that they arent just complete idiots or if they had one too many (or both).
What im trying to say (and doing a poor job of it) is that you can't be sure either. You have no right to judge them. You don't know what happened. You didnt know them. And in situations like that, i like to think of the worst possible scenario. For the teenagers, that is that they are generally good people, then they make one false move, and then get sentenced to jail for life, rotting in a cell wishing that they could die. Is that fair? F**k no!!!
I would ask how you (whoever is reading this) would feel if it happened to you; but most would arrogantly say "nono i'm not that stupid. It would never happen to me." I bet if you said that to one of the teenagers before the accident, they would say the same thing. Stupidity is subjective; no one thinks they are, but they think everyone else is. Its quite bothering, for me at least.
phew, had to get that out; had to rant about something. I was reading a few topics in the debate hall and really wanted to reply, but i realised i didnt have access yet...
In short: they deserve a second chance in life sometime in the future.
"if they dont get life or death, i will have lost all faith in the american judicial system."
OH COME ON!!! COME THE F**K ON!!!
Obviously they should go to jail; they need to be taught for their mistakes, but you guys need to understand that (unless this is a bigger story than we think) they didnt mean to cause any harm to anyone. THEY DONT DESERVE LIFE. Innocent until proven guilty (i am not referring to the crime, but to the motives and events causing them).
I'm quite a small guy, and my brother is huge (unlike the rest of our family). We used to wrestle around and stuff like that, but often it would end up in me hurt for some reason. Why? Because he couldn't control his strength every now and then, and i was a mouse. I guess he forgot who i was and started playing around like he would with his friends, without realizing how much weaker i was. If i punched him, he barely felt it. If he lightly punches me, i go to the floor. That 7 year old girl sounds very very fragile. If they weren't drunk, then I'd agree with all of you. But they were.
If i had all of the details on this story, then i would be much more confident in what i'm saying; but i cant be sure that they arent just complete idiots or if they had one too many (or both).
What im trying to say (and doing a poor job of it) is that you can't be sure either. You have no right to judge them. You don't know what happened. You didnt know them. And in situations like that, i like to think of the worst possible scenario. For the teenagers, that is that they are generally good people, then they make one false move, and then get sentenced to jail for life, rotting in a cell wishing that they could die. Is that fair? F**k no!!!
I would ask how you (whoever is reading this) would feel if it happened to you; but most would arrogantly say "nono i'm not that stupid. It would never happen to me." I bet if you said that to one of the teenagers before the accident, they would say the same thing. Stupidity is subjective; no one thinks they are, but they think everyone else is. Its quite bothering, for me at least.
phew, had to get that out; had to rant about something. I was reading a few topics in the debate hall and really wanted to reply, but i realised i didnt have access yet...
In short: they deserve a second chance in life sometime in the future.
Jazzy Jinx
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OK then.
Why the f*** did they drink alcohol then? They're UNDERAGED. Stupid strike number one.
Why hit a GIRL? No morals. Stupid strike number two.
Why hit a 7-year old? Child abuse. Stupid strike number three.
If not life in prison or the death sentence, I hope you can at least agree with me when I say they should have the living s*** beat out of them. If I could, I'd be more than happy to help out in that regard.
RazeveX
Smash Ace
For starters, 7 year old and girl are the same thing. Unless you think its ok to hit 7 year old boys.
Anyway, its not that i'm trying to defend them severely. I just think that we dismiss others so quickly these days.
Neither of us knows what happened, or what was going though their minds. I don't know if they are stupid or not. Thats not the point. The point is because we dont know, we should assume that they are just normal teenagers.
Now to counter your points.
Why drink alcohol? I dont know. Thats a completely valid point, and does reflect on their ability to make good decisions. In short, you are completely right on that one. I never got why underage teens drink anyway...
Now for the other two. If they hadn't been drinking? Then they are valid points. BUT because they were drinking (for whatever reason) they most likely could not perceive the danger of hitting the girl, let alone the identity of the little girl. They might have just hallucinated and seen a punching bag, or something, i dont know.
Since everyone takes alcohol differently, it is likely they were both highly intoxicated, and unable to make correct decisions. You cannot judge someone by their behaviour while drunk. If a girl gets drunk and someone ***** her, is she stupid?? Same thing.
Anyway, i cant agree with you nor disagree with you saying that they should be beaten, as i dont know how badly they will be beaten. Supreme torture? lets reserve that for Hitler. A light tap on the wrists? They wont learn their lesson.
So yeah.
Jazzy Jinx
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Girls and 7 year-olds are actually different. I wouldn't hit a girl of any age and I certainly wouldn't hit a 7 year-old. But I suppose being drunk (and I've BEEN drunk before so they had to be pretty freaking drunk) is a valid excuse for the incident but that doesn't mean any of this was ok.
Since they beat a young girl to DEATH. I think they should be beaten pretty badly and then sent back out into the world, no jail time or anything. But I'm just old-fashioned and don't care for the punishments the government imposes (which are, a lot of the time, VERY minimal).
If it was up to me, I'd impose the eye for an eye system. I'd get someone drunk and then let them wail on them freely until they die from blunt trauma. But that would be uncivilized and too straight forward in today's sheltered society.
And I'm not snapping at you at all, if I'm coming off that way. I just think crimes like this deserve equally heavy punishments.
If this were a car accident; drunk and ran over a kid. I can see that it was impaired judgement, no big deal.
But this was a freaking BEATING. You don't have the hand-eye coordination to walk a straight line but you have the cooridination to beat a child? And as the article said, she was beaten before so I assume the teenagers thought they could beat her regardless if they were intoxicated or not. Hell, they might be using ALCOHOL as a scapegoat. They could have been in their right minds and were treating her like a punching bag because by that point, they probably thought it was no big deal.
Alcohol and video games aside, it's clear to me that these two lacked any morals or good judgement to begin with. In my mind, that completely warrants serious punishment.
Banana_Dragon
Smash Journeyman
First of all, yes, this is tragic and I do not approve of behavior/situations like this.
But what good use is it to mourn about it and treat the subject as a taboo unless you express sympathy for the family and hatred for the murderers?
Millions of people die in third world countries every day because of hunger, epidemics and warfare, yet this is only a statistic.
One death of a caucasian 7-year old girl get's sensationalized by the media and suddenly it's a global tragedy while no one ever knew or heard of the girl before.
I saw the "fatality" and "finish her" jokes coming from miles away when I started reading this thread and honestly, why judge people for making these statements?
You probably don't know anything about them other than what they said in a few certain posts on a video game forum.
Likely they are not murderers or alcoholics and likely they have friends and/or family they care deeply about and may even be good-hearted and fun people to hang out with.
They simply don't start mourning something because the media sensationalizes it.
About the subject itself, the responsibility lies, for as far as I can see, with the two teenagers themselves. (Though I can't help but wonder how they came to be this way to do such a thing. And then I'm not talking about games or alcohol)
I myself listen to Death Metal (which frequently features lyrics about murder, **** and satan), watch Horror Movies and play M-rated Video Games. Yet, I do not do stuff like this and do not approve of it either and I am no exception, I know enough people who share interests similar to mine who are the most kindhearted and caring people I've ever met.
People should look for responsible parties in the crime-comitters (English is not my mother language so the correct word escapes me) and "maybe" in some cases their parents and/or people in their immediate environment which can have a huge factor in how they come to be.
Fitting punishment? Throw them in jail and let them have extensive therapy if they're clearly mentally disturbed.
If they don't have issues and just did it "for the hell of it" then have them be beat up mercilessly by a bunch of alcoholics.
My opinion at least.
But what good use is it to mourn about it and treat the subject as a taboo unless you express sympathy for the family and hatred for the murderers?
Millions of people die in third world countries every day because of hunger, epidemics and warfare, yet this is only a statistic.
One death of a caucasian 7-year old girl get's sensationalized by the media and suddenly it's a global tragedy while no one ever knew or heard of the girl before.
I saw the "fatality" and "finish her" jokes coming from miles away when I started reading this thread and honestly, why judge people for making these statements?
You probably don't know anything about them other than what they said in a few certain posts on a video game forum.
Likely they are not murderers or alcoholics and likely they have friends and/or family they care deeply about and may even be good-hearted and fun people to hang out with.
They simply don't start mourning something because the media sensationalizes it.
About the subject itself, the responsibility lies, for as far as I can see, with the two teenagers themselves. (Though I can't help but wonder how they came to be this way to do such a thing. And then I'm not talking about games or alcohol)
I myself listen to Death Metal (which frequently features lyrics about murder, **** and satan), watch Horror Movies and play M-rated Video Games. Yet, I do not do stuff like this and do not approve of it either and I am no exception, I know enough people who share interests similar to mine who are the most kindhearted and caring people I've ever met.
People should look for responsible parties in the crime-comitters (English is not my mother language so the correct word escapes me) and "maybe" in some cases their parents and/or people in their immediate environment which can have a huge factor in how they come to be.
Fitting punishment? Throw them in jail and let them have extensive therapy if they're clearly mentally disturbed.
If they don't have issues and just did it "for the hell of it" then have them be beat up mercilessly by a bunch of alcoholics.
My opinion at least.
Jazzy Jinx
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I honestly don't care that she was white or black or whatever and I'm not making this one particular murder a big deal either. ALL MURDER is a big deal. And I feel the same way about every single murder on this planet. Tragedies like this are horrible and I feel utterly insignificant when it comes to dealing with it. Donate a few quarters? Help the environment? Why even bother when the few people that actually DO give a d*** don't have enough help to save everyone?
I do what I can but what I do isn't enough without the help and restraint of others. It pisses me off that such cruelty is so apparent in this world. Babies are beaten to death and some even *****, people that are ******** or autistic are slaughtered or beaten for being different or as they so cleverly say it, "possessed", religious people are killed for believing in something their government doesn't want them to believe in. It's horrible...
I look at these things and I'll admit to you guys, even though I'm a strong person and strong-minded, I look at these things and I can't help but shed tears. Is this where we are now? Is this what the world has become? We're so intelligent yet so stupid.
I do what I can but what I do isn't enough without the help and restraint of others. It pisses me off that such cruelty is so apparent in this world. Babies are beaten to death and some even *****, people that are ******** or autistic are slaughtered or beaten for being different or as they so cleverly say it, "possessed", religious people are killed for believing in something their government doesn't want them to believe in. It's horrible...
I look at these things and I'll admit to you guys, even though I'm a strong person and strong-minded, I look at these things and I can't help but shed tears. Is this where we are now? Is this what the world has become? We're so intelligent yet so stupid.
Banana_Dragon
Smash Journeyman
This isn't what we have become, this is what we have always been.
There's just more people now, so naturally more bad things happen because more bad things 'can' happen.
If there were only half the amount of the people on the world that there are now, you'd probably see only half as much bad things happen.
Yes indeed, the world could do things to educate people better and share our resources better and promote more peace but mankind has demonstrated plenty of times that this is not what it wants.
You can shed tears over it and I can even understand why someone would shed tears over it since it is tragic after all. But it's not gonna help you even a small step further towards changing anything at all.
There's just more people now, so naturally more bad things happen because more bad things 'can' happen.
If there were only half the amount of the people on the world that there are now, you'd probably see only half as much bad things happen.
Yes indeed, the world could do things to educate people better and share our resources better and promote more peace but mankind has demonstrated plenty of times that this is not what it wants.
You can shed tears over it and I can even understand why someone would shed tears over it since it is tragic after all. But it's not gonna help you even a small step further towards changing anything at all.
Jazzy Jinx
♥♪!?
You're a pretty close-minded person.
I know more than anyone that crying isn't going to do anything for anyone. But it gets me sometimes and I can't help but do so. But instead of showing some understanding or whatever, you seem to want to convince me that it all is indeed helpless and my opinion of the matter is insignificant.
I'd even be willing to say you probably see no purpose in life, right? By all means, tell me your views.
I know more than anyone that crying isn't going to do anything for anyone. But it gets me sometimes and I can't help but do so. But instead of showing some understanding or whatever, you seem to want to convince me that it all is indeed helpless and my opinion of the matter is insignificant.
I'd even be willing to say you probably see no purpose in life, right? By all means, tell me your views.
Rapid_Assassin
Smash Master
The problem isn't the video game. It isn't alcohol either. It's the teenagers that did the beating. I've played my share of video games, listened to metal and rap music, and drank alcohol. I never did something that would hurt a small child (much like my 9 year old sister) when under the influence of anything. There's something wrong with the teenager that killed the small child to make her think that something like what she did was acceptable behavior. Yet, people try to blame the event on things such as video games, music, and alcohol, which can't cause a crime in and of themselves. Plenty of people in the world get drunk playing video games and listening to music. Events like these are pretty rare.
Jazzy Jinx
♥♪!?
I agree completely.
Banana_Dragon
Smash Journeyman
@Uncle Kenny
Hmmm, first of all I actually have a lot of respect for your opinion because it seems very thought out. I guess I failed to show that respect though.
I however did literally type out that I understand why someone would shed tears over it.
Contrary to what you may believe, I actually do see purpose in life.
I have a wonderful girlfriend, two pet dogs that I take care of and love as if they were family, few but awesome friends and dreams to chase, such as being a professional smasher or being a great drummer/keyboard player and tour with a live band. I see purpose enough really.
In response to you calling me close minded, I have gay friends, friends from south african decent and friends who listen to music completely different from my tastes... I can get along with people regardless of gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or whatever... We're all people as far as I'm concerned.
Actually, I guess I was just trying to help you take things more positively and keep your head up... I don't like seeing people sad, lol.
All this is said in a calm and friendly manner by the way and I have no intent to offend you, I apologize in advance if I do since I clearly seem to have a hard time demonstrating what I want to say through the English language.
Hmmm, first of all I actually have a lot of respect for your opinion because it seems very thought out. I guess I failed to show that respect though.
I however did literally type out that I understand why someone would shed tears over it.
Contrary to what you may believe, I actually do see purpose in life.
I have a wonderful girlfriend, two pet dogs that I take care of and love as if they were family, few but awesome friends and dreams to chase, such as being a professional smasher or being a great drummer/keyboard player and tour with a live band. I see purpose enough really.
In response to you calling me close minded, I have gay friends, friends from south african decent and friends who listen to music completely different from my tastes... I can get along with people regardless of gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or whatever... We're all people as far as I'm concerned.
Actually, I guess I was just trying to help you take things more positively and keep your head up... I don't like seeing people sad, lol.
All this is said in a calm and friendly manner by the way and I have no intent to offend you, I apologize in advance if I do since I clearly seem to have a hard time demonstrating what I want to say through the English language.
You see purpose in life and I see purpose in Belgium Waffles. DO NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ME!
But it really does boil down to the person who committed the act. Unless they were coerced (the game forced them to kill people), I see no way that they could abrogate responsibility.
But it really does boil down to the person who committed the act. Unless they were coerced (the game forced them to kill people), I see no way that they could abrogate responsibility.
Jazzy Jinx
♥♪!?
Hmm... I seem to have completely misinterpreted your post. For that, I should be the one apologizing. And I shouldn't have done that but every time I read a post on SWF, I have this ideal that they're going to be condescending and judgemental so what happens to me? I become a hypocrite and become condescending and judgemental. 
Argh... I'm really sorry about that. I need to learn that not everyone on this site is going to be a judgemental a**hole. Thanks for sympathizing with me.
Argh... I'm really sorry about that. I need to learn that not everyone on this site is going to be a judgemental a**hole. Thanks for sympathizing with me.
Mr. Game and Pichu
Smash Journeyman
Now why would babysitters get drunk while babysitting? That's just nonsense. That poor girl. It was there fault alright.