6 tips to ganondorf

[mood4food77]

ok, here are 6 things to learn how to use after you learn wavedashing and l'cancelling and all that stuff

1. learn to use your fair and uair, these are the easiest aerials to use and to begin with are your best friends, learn to use them in the right positions, so basically use uair when your opponent is above you and use fair when he's in front or below you

2. learn to use his standing A, after every l'cancel that your move was sheilded you must use this move, it stops sheild grabs almost every time, it's a very important move, a must for every ganon wannabe

3. learn his dthrow and uthrow, his best throws by far, then will combo into anything he wants pretty much, but really, your best combo from a dthrow is his bair or uair and from the uthrow it's either his uair or standing a depending on who you're versing, learn them very well

4. learn his reverse uair spike, the best edgegaurd in the game, nothing compares, it works on any character and is almost unstoppable, it's also the only move that can kill samus under 100% (yes it's an edgegaurd but you know what i mean), it's a surprise attack and it's amazing, must learn thing

5. learn his sheild cancel game, why do i say this, cause against fox, falco, sheik, and falcon, it's the only way you're gonna be able to get much in, sheild cancelled dairs are amazing, and sheild grabbing is probably gonna save your butt from time to time, learn this, very important thing

6. learn how to use his ftilt, it's a very important part of his ground game and it is a pretty decent edgegaurder, learn to aim it in all ways (high, medium, low), it replaces ganon's up tilt if aimed high and it servers as a decent edgegaurder if aimed low, great move to learn how to use

well, there you have it, and try those in the order i put them in because it's better to start smaller, to really use his sheild cancel game is gonna take a while but it's worth the practice, well good gaming

 

[Pye]

I'll show these to a Ganon-maining friend of mine who used to be one of those "I'm the best player ever" noobs until I showed him the light ^_^

Reverse uair is the best edgeguard in the game? Really O_o? That, I didn't know. It is pretty effective, now that I think about it. Awesome, I'll be sure to mention that. That'll be some inspiration for him to learn to do it

Awesome mini-guide. I'd +rep you, but the mods ate the rep system

 

[wuthefwasthat]

im not sure ganon's reverse uair wins the best edgeguard in the game title.

in fact, im sure it doesnt. fox's shine is better. fixed knockback for those gimpy kills you were talking about. zero lag. or you could go with jiggly's bair. among other candidates.

ganon's uair is definitely extremely versatile and good for edgeguarding lots of characters, but... ive seen foxes shinespike jigglypuffs to death...

 

[Magus420]

2. No you don't have to always use jab after every air that hits a shield. In fact you shouldn't really. The jab itself is shieldgrabbable if they get close enough/have enough grab range, and is CC out of shield->grabbable if they're not in range. Dashing away, forward-b'ing, or an occasional down-b when they are at high damage after l-cancels on shields are good mixups to jabbing.

3. U-throw isn't very good imo. You have to hope they don't DI it, since if they DI away you can't follow up with anything at all really. You can always get something off of a d-throw regardless of what they do. I'd say b-throw is considerably more useful than u-throw since you can set up invincible grabs to gimp KOs off of it on most characters at the edge at any damage.

ive seen foxes shinespike jigglypuffs to death...

You've also seen some slow learners that don't realize pound can go in the other direction as well as towards another shinespike

 

[mood4food77]

ganon's reverse uair is much more reliable than fox's shine, and it's much easier to hit, at least reverse uair works on a jiggs better than a shine spike, it also has a lot more range than fox's shine, and it more powerful, and it sends on the same trajectory as fox's shine does if it spikes, same speed too...so, which one is really better

thanks magus, i've always used his standing a, never thought of his forward b, but i just think his standing a is better, also it's more for the inexperienced ganon users

and uthrow can always be followed up with a standing a or a uair, even with DI i've found, but i'll add them

 

[Kragen]

I think you should also add: aiming the ftilt. Since Ganon's utilt is crap, he needs replacement on the ground for that move.

It has pretty good range too, I think. Very handy when somebody is standing in front of you on a platform, when you're on the ground (like FoD or PS, although I heard that FoD is a bad stage for Ganon).

 

[mood4food77]

it's not that important, it's useful but not really necessary, it's one of the last things new ganon users should learn

 

[wuthefwasthat]

You've also seen some slow learners that don't realize pound can go in the other direction as well as towards another shinespike

ive been shinespikes to death before as jiggly... i was rising pounding on a wall... hit a jump too early, got spiked, used my last 2 jumps, and got spiked before i could airdodge
you're right though, its mostly the jiggs fault if that ever happens.

it's not that important, it's useful but not really necessary, it's one of the last things new ganon users should learn

ftilt is pretty good. makes opponents think twice. i mean, ganon's ground game without ftilt is total crap

 

[mood4food77]

i've really never used ftilt with ganon, i don't find it very important, and i've watched tipman, he doesn't really use it either

 

[Mankosuki]

Actually, last I saw of Tipman he was using waveland>f-tilt quite a bit for spacing purposes.

 

[linkmastersword]

3. U-throw isn't very good imo. You have to hope they don't DI it, since if they DI away you can't follow up with anything at all really. You can always get something off of a d-throw regardless of what they do. I'd say b-throw is considerably more useful than u-throw since you can set up invincible grabs to gimp KOs off of it on most characters at the edge at any damage.
You've also seen some slow learners that don't realize pound can go in the other direction as well as towards another shinespike

don't hate on the uthrow Magus.

It requires the opposite DI as the D throw, so it's not uncommon for some one to have terrible DI after an Uthrow.

 

[mood4food77]

true, but is it as important as the other five, fine i'll make it 6 tips and have the sixth one as using the ftilt

 

[ChronoSquare]

sheild cancelled dairs are amazing

Shield cancel? WTF? Do you mean L-cancel or something? Because this is the first I or any of my friends have heard of it... and my friends have been around since early Melee at the least.

 

[Magus420]

He means jumping out of shield.

Speaking of what that's from... Sheik and CF are probably 2 of the characters I try to do the least amount of shielding possible against out of anyone =P

 

[Lixivium]

Shield cancel? WTF? Do you mean L-cancel or something? Because this is the first I or any of my friends have heard of it... and my friends have been around since early Melee at the least.

He means a SHFFL'ed D-Air out of the shield. "Shield-cancelling" is a terrible name for it.

 

[Magus420]

I would say full jump d-air out of shield is far more useful than SHFFL'ing one. I can't really think of a good time to do a SHFFL'd one out of shield like that at all really, since if they're too short for a full jump one you're probably better off doing something else entirely.

 

[Lixivium]

Well I see Joe Bushman doing D-Air out of shield quite often against Falcos and I assumed that's what he was talking about. I always assumed those to be shorthops, but now that you mention it I guess they are actually full jumps.

Doesn't make much difference to me because I just reflexively full jump out of shield when I play Ganon.

 

[Kenjii]

Hmm, pretty good tips. I already use most of these, but reading them and knowing that they're good things to do help me out.

 

[KevinM]

I like comboing out of the downtilt so shouldn't you prolly just change the last tip to: Use Tilts effectively...

 

[Gimpyfish62]

multiple edgeguard moves of bowser's are better than the reverse uair, dont exaggerate to much now lol

 

[ThatOneDudeski]

I think you should also add: aiming the ftilt. Since Ganon's utilt is crap, he needs replacement on the ground for that move.

umm..he did put that in there..



Great mini guide..those really are the fundamentals to a good ganon.