4th-D Slip Master: Ninten for DLC!

[Amiiboshiibo]

I support Ninten, but knowing Sakurai, he will most likely be a semi-clone. So, I'm gonna think of a semi-clone moveset for Ninten that uses some PK attacks that only Ana can use.

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PK BrainShock: A large purple PK Flash, that when an opponent is hit by one, does a tiny bit more damage than PK Freeze, and causes the target to become dizzy (the effect that happens when your shield is broken). Does not do this in air.
PK Beam: Like Lucas's PK Fire, but does not cause the fire effect and is faster. Instead of an orange lightning bolt, it'll look more like Falco's blaster, but shorter and green. Curves downward more than Ness's so it has less range on the ground.
PK Thunder: Similar to Ness's Rolling PK Thunder.
PSI Shield: Activates a shield that looks similar to PSI Magnet, but more green. If an energy-based projectile hits it, it will spiral around Ninten, then will shoot back at the sender. Unlike Ness's, the shield pushes enemies away while the shield is activated, instead of pushing them away when it's deactivated. Automatically deactivates after 3 seconds, and has a 4 second cooldown. If used before the cooldown is over, Nnten poses as if the shield is activated, then immediately stops posing.

 

[Gallowglass]

I've only played Earthbound 0 so Ninten in the one I'm most familiar with. I have a few ideas for Ninten. One is his PSI abilities in relation of Ness and Lucas. Ninten has the least amount of PSI between the three of them and his skills should be focus more on that. Ninten has no offensive PSI abilities and all of them should be utilities (e.g. 4th D Slip being a teleport recovery). He should also be stronger and attack harder than Ness and Lucas. So it looks like this.

Ninten: High physical, Low PSI
Ness: Med physical, Med PSI
Lucas: Low physical, High PSI

Another idea for Ninten is that he uses the bat all the time instead of just smash attacks. If all else fails they should at least have a Mii swordsman costume of him but using a bat over a sword.

 

[smileMasky]

I've only played Earthbound 0 so Ninten in the one I'm most familiar with. I have a few ideas for Ninten. One is his PSI abilities in relation of Ness and Lucas. Ninten has the least amount of PSI between the three of them and his skills should be focus more on that. Ninten has no offensive PSI abilities and all of them should be utilities (e.g. 4th D Slip being a teleport recovery). He should also be stronger and attack harder than Ness and Lucas. So it looks like this.

Ninten: High physical, Low PSI
Ness: Med physical, Med PSI
Lucas: Low physical, High PSI

Another idea for Ninten is that he uses the bat all the time instead of just smash attacks. If all else fails they should at least have a Mii swordsman costume of him but using a bat over a sword.

I'd rather have him a ness costume if he does not at least make the character roster he feels too special though he does deserve some recognition

 

[Tomato Hentai]

I'm more familiar with Ness from MOTHER 2, as I have played more MOTHER 2 than I have MOTHER, but I think having Ninten in Smash as at least an alt. costume for Ness would be pretty dang rad.

Sorry if I'm gonna get in trouble for bumping a slightly old thread.

EDIT:
Also forgot to mention that I actually voted for Ninten as an alt. costume for Ness a while ago.

 

[AdmN30]

Here's a little promo that I made for Ninten.

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[Reiga]

Here's a little promo that I made for Ninten.

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That's quite cute :3
Good job.

 

[Putuk]

No.

As much as I'm a fan of the EarthBound series, I feel there shouldn't be more than two characters, considering the series status.
It just feel sort of greedy to want another rep after Lucas was recently revealed. I'm certain I'm not the only one who thought he'd be gone for good.

MOTHER is also by far the least accessible of the games in the series. Would he be revealed, most people would probably question why he'd be picked over more popular or relevant characters. They'd also be quite furious.

However, if he got the Olimar/Alph treatment as a costume for Ness, bring it on.

 

[PSIBoy]

Here's a little promo that I made for Ninten.

Spoiler

Pretty good.

No.

As much as I'm a fan of the EarthBound series, I feel there shouldn't be more than two characters, considering the series status.
It just feel sort of greedy to want another rep after Lucas was recently revealed. I'm certain I'm not the only one who thought he'd be gone for good.

MOTHER is also by far the least accessible of the games in the series. Would he be revealed, most people would probably question why he'd be picked over more popular or relevant characters. They'd also be quite furious.

However, if he got the Olimar/Alph treatment as a costume for Ness, bring it on.

I made this back in 2014, so it was in doubt whether or not Lucas would even return. I'll probably edit this when I stop being lazy to just being an alt or something.

 

[Putuk]

I made this back in 2014, so it was in doubt whether or not Lucas would even return. I'll probably edit this when I stop being lazy to just being an alt or something.

I see, my mistake then.

 

[AdmN30]

As much as I'm a fan of the EarthBound series, I feel there shouldn't be more than two characters, considering the series status.
It just feel sort of greedy to want another rep after Lucas was recently revealed.

Personally, I think that if Smash Bros can get away with three Kid Icarus characters (which has the same amount of games as the Mother series and also has no currently known plans for a sequel) then it wouldn’t be greedy to add at least one more Mother character. Besides, a lot of people were expecting new characters from the Zelda and DKC series which are more ongoing and popular than Mother and Kid Icarus but didn’t get any (as of now). From the way I see it, there is no set-in-stone rule for Smash Bros that says “This series deserves x amount of characters”.

I'm certain I'm not the only one who thought he'd be gone for good.

While I was upset that Lucas wasn't in the default roster, I thought it was kind of a stretch to say he was gone for good. I am relieved to see that he's coming back.

MOTHER is also by far the least accessible of the games in the series.

Even though Nintendo of America didn't officially release the first Mother game in North America they did fully translate it. Plus, reproduction cartridges do exist for the game. If anything, it’s more accessible than Mother 3 (even with Mother 3's fan translation).

Would he be revealed, most people would probably question why he'd be picked over more popular or relevant characters. They'd also be quite furious.

Not necessarily. At the time of Melee, Marth was only popular and relevant in Japan. NOA was afraid that he and Roy wouldn’t appeal to North American gamers. However, when Americans saw these lesser known characters they weren’t furious. In fact, quite the opposite happened. By putting Marth and Roy in the game more people became interested in Fire Emblem. One could argue that Ness and Lucas's inclusion has spread interest of their games too. The same could be possible with Ninten if he was included.

 

[smileMasky]

Ninten has launched back in to one of my all time wanted ssb characters He does have music and a stage but... he did start the franchise and without his success in japan we would have never had Ness or Lucas It saddens me to not see anything of Ninten himself in SSB4.

 

[Putuk]

Personally, I think that if Smash Bros can get away with three Kid Icarus characters (which has the same amount of games as the Mother series and also has no currently known plans for a sequel) then it wouldn’t be greedy to add at least one more Mother character. Besides, a lot of people were expecting new characters from the Zelda and DKC series which are more ongoing and popular than Mother and Kid Icarus but didn’t get any (as of now). From the way I see it, there is no set-in-stone rule for Smash Bros that says “This series deserves x amount of characters”.

Even though Nintendo of America didn't officially release the first Mother game in North America they did fully translate it. Plus, reproduction cartridges do exist for the game. If anything, it’s more accessible than Mother 3 (even with Mother 3's fan translation).

Not necessarily. At the time of Melee, Marth was only popular and relevant in Japan. NOA was afraid that he and Roy wouldn’t appeal to North American gamers. However, when Americans saw these lesser known characters they weren’t furious. In fact, quite the opposite happened. By putting Marth and Roy in the game more people became interested in Fire Emblem. One could argue that Ness and Lucas's inclusion has spread interest of their games too. The same could be possible with Ninten if he was included.

One of them being a last-minute clone that probably wasn't that hard to make (at least compared to other characters). Pit and Dark Pit are hardly different characters. And this is DLC we're talking about, noone would pay extra for a Dark Pit type clone (well, maybe you would).
EarthBound is also by far a more obscure and niche series.

MOTHER is still the least accessable.
MOTHER 3 has an ENOURMOUS popularity going for it. I'd go as far as saying it's the only japan-only game that isn't obscure in the west.
It is also weighed down by outdated RPG elements, common in NES era RPGs. It lacks direction, it's quite grind-y, it's got quite a few things that would make people not want to play it.

But there is nothing to promote. All the fan-outcry is for MOTHER 3. There is a reason why people don't talk that much about MOTHER (listed above).
That aside, Ninten looks almost identical to Ness. Hate to break it to you, but canon Nintens shirt is blue and yellow stripes and he doesn't wear a bandanna. People who arn't familiar with the series would compare this to the whole Dark Pit fiasco and call it a "wasted slot"... which it is, it costs an extra 4$ and if they make him unique from Ness and Lucas, he'd likely eat a space from a more requested character.

You are WAY too optimistic to be an EarthBound fan.

 

[AdmN30]

One of them being a last-minute clone that probably wasn't that hard to make (at least compared to other characters). Pit and Dark Pit are hardly different characters. And this is DLC we're talking about, noone would pay extra for a Dark Pit type clone (well, maybe you would).
EarthBound is also by far a more obscure and niche series.

MOTHER is still the least accessable.
MOTHER 3 has an ENOURMOUS popularity going for it. I'd go as far as saying it's the only japan-only game that isn't obscure in the west.
It is also weighed down by outdated RPG elements, common in NES era RPGs. It lacks direction, it's quite grind-y, it's got quite a few things that would make people not want to play it.

But there is nothing to promote. All the fan-outcry is for MOTHER 3. There is a reason why people don't talk that much about MOTHER (listed above).
That aside, Ninten looks almost identical to Ness. Hate to break it to you, but canon Nintens shirt is blue and yellow stripes and he doesn't wear a bandanna. People who arn't familiar with the series would compare this to the whole Dark Pit fiasco and call it a "wasted slot"... which it is, it costs an extra 4$ and if they make him unique from Ness and Lucas, he'd likely eat a space from a more requested character.

You are WAY too optimistic to be an EarthBound fan.

I think you sound way too pessimistic.

 

[smileMasky]

One of them being a last-minute clone that probably wasn't that hard to make (at least compared to other characters). Pit and Dark Pit are hardly different characters. And this is DLC we're talking about, noone would pay extra for a Dark Pit type clone (well, maybe you would).
EarthBound is also by far a more obscure and niche series.

MOTHER is still the least accessable.
MOTHER 3 has an ENOURMOUS popularity going for it. I'd go as far as saying it's the only japan-only game that isn't obscure in the west.
It is also weighed down by outdated RPG elements, common in NES era RPGs. It lacks direction, it's quite grind-y, it's got quite a few things that would make people not want to play it.

But there is nothing to promote. All the fan-outcry is for MOTHER 3. There is a reason why people don't talk that much about MOTHER (listed above).
That aside, Ninten looks almost identical to Ness. Hate to break it to you, but canon Nintens shirt is blue and yellow stripes and he doesn't wear a bandanna. People who arn't familiar with the series would compare this to the whole Dark Pit fiasco and call it a "wasted slot"... which it is, it costs an extra 4$ and if they make him unique from Ness and Lucas, he'd likely eat a space from a more requested character.

You are WAY too optimistic to be an EarthBound fan.

woah there bro whats with the harsh tone? ya sure nintendo at the moment can't give 2 ****s about the mother franchise and I know the odds are really stacked against him but come on man. why you got to shoot down Ninten like that? The least they could do for him is some sort of trophy or I'm hoping an alt for Ness. We all got our hopes for smash why do you need to ruin it?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

@ PSIBoy Unless you have some great arguments to talk about, you might as well stop by the RTC thread since it's going on until tomorrow evening. I del that his Japanese obscurity (Ironic given my avatar) and how divisive the first game was is what's really going to give him such down votes. Though, I had been honest about the situation while talking about ho there are many other Mother characters with more support over him like Porky.

 

[Putuk]

woah there bro whats with the harsh tone? ya sure nintendo at the moment can't give 2 ****s about the mother franchise and I know the odds are really stacked against him but come on man. why you got to shoot down Ninten like that? The least they could do for him is some sort of trophy or I'm hoping an alt for Ness. We all got our hopes for smash why do you need to ruin it?

Same reason I tell people who are hoping for MOTHER 3 this E3 it ain't happening.
Considering the amount of attention the series did get recently, we should be thankful for what we get.

 

[smileMasky]

Same reason I tell people who are hoping for MOTHER 3 this E3 it ain't happening.
Considering the amount of attention the series did get recently, we should be thankful for what we get.

I am thankful for what we have of the Mother series and I understand were you are coming from but I think with a little time things can change. Hell I even started to re play Earthbound for the fun of it.

 

[Putuk]

I am thankful for what we have of the Mother series and I understand were you are coming from but I think with a little time things can change. Hell I even started to re play Earthbound for the fun of it.

Yeah, I think my tone may have been a lil' too harsh.
But here's the bottom line: time. We just got Lucas back, it's someone elses turn next.

 

[smileMasky]

Yeah, I think my tone may have been a lil' too harsh.
But here's the bottom line: time. We just got Lucas back, it's someone elses turn next.

I agree 100%

 

[Rabbattack]

This is why I say he'd be a good rep for Smash 5, since all the most popular characters are already in the game. They have to add more characters, but the obvious ones have already been done, so they'd have to dig deep next time around.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

This is why I say he'd be a good rep for Smash 5, since all the most popular characters are already in the game. They have to add more characters, but the obvious ones have already been done, so they'd have to dig deep next time around.

Soooooo Flying Man for Smash? Jk

I can see this being the case since there are few popular or "all star" characters left to cover. It's only a matter of time until we see who are the lucky guys to be DLC this generation.

 

[Shin F.]

I'd say they've probably got enough popular characters for another game's worth of Newcomers without having to dig too deep. Not counting potential DLC, of course. There's Dixie, K Rool, Ridley, Dark Samus, Isaac, Inkling, Ray MK III, Andy, Chibi Robo, probably a retro or two like Takamaru or Mach Rider, probably a new Pokemon or two by then along with a new Zelda / Fire Emblem rep, plus whatever 3rd Parties they can get their hands on. Not to mention any potential new IPs before the next game comes out.

I'd still love to see Ninten, of course, but I don't think he'll get in from a lack of other possible Newcomers.

 

[15 [イチゴ]]

Bamp! I'm cool with Ninten as a skin. Wouldn't make sense to have him as a fully playable character IMHO, but Lucina is a thing so... XD

Personally I think Pokey Minch would be an Awesome Earthbound series rep for a new character since he's in two of the 3 games and he's an antagonist.

 

[Shin F.]

Bamp! I'm cool with Ninten as a skin. Wouldn't make sense to have him as a fully playable character IMHO, but Lucina is a thing so... XD

Personally I think Pokey Minch would be an Awesome Earthbound series rep for a new character since he's in two of the 3 games and he's an antagonist.

It wouldn't make sense having him as a skin, to be honest. His abilities are very different from Ness and Lucas, seeing as he doesn't use offensive PSI attacks. And he could easily set himself far apart from the others just by using his bat and other weapons in more of his normals instead of just his Smash attacks.

 

[15 [イチゴ]]

It wouldn't make sense having him as a skin, to be honest. His abilities are very different from Ness and Lucas, seeing as he doesn't use offensive PSI attacks. And he could easily set himself far apart from the others just by using his bat and other weapons in more of his normals instead of just his Smash attacks.

Ness and Lucas didn't really seem to use offensive Psi all that much in their own games either. At least in my experience with Mother 1-3 PK Love, PSI Rockin' and PK Flash didn't get anywhere near as much usage as their buffs and healing PSI because my team would die unless Ninten/Ness/Lucas functioned as a healer in most situations. All of the Mother's main characters seem to be more like defensive brawlers like paladins instead of the offensive mages Smash portrays them as. Really, Ness and Lucas's Smash portrayal is really weird!

I'm not against Ninten being a character, but from an outsider's perspective Ninten wouldn't register to the average player. That being said, he would be a nice low design scope addition to the game. An altered Ness character model or a new texture on Ness's model would suffice and then they could take the animations and rigs from Lucas / Ness to fill in his moves. Unless Lucas's model has completely different rigs and what not.

The only way Ninten makes sense as a character is if they feel like filling the game with a butt load of DLC. He's obscure and he looks like Ness, but Nintendo could use him as an opportunity to promote the release Mother on the Virtual console. If they ever decide to do so.


Regardless, Lucina is a thing so maybe we will see him as a separate character for the same reasons. If he manages to make it into the game he will probably be clone like simply because it's easier from a game development standpoint and because Sakurai doesn't seem to understand Mother.

 

[Shin F.]

Ness and Lucas didn't really seem to use offensive Psi all that much in their own games either. At least in my experience with Mother 1-3 PK Love, PSI Rockin' and PK Flash didn't get anywhere near as much usage as their buffs and healing PSI because my team would die unless Ninten/Ness/Lucas functioned as a healer in most situations. All of the Mother's main characters seem to be more like defensive brawlers like paladins instead of the offensive mages Smash portrays them as. Really, Ness and Lucas's Smash portrayal is really weird!

I'm not against Ninten being a character, but from an outsider's perspective Ninten wouldn't register to the average player. That being said, he would be a nice low design scope addition to the game. An altered Ness character model or a new texture on Ness's model would suffice and then they could take the animations and rigs from Lucas / Ness to fill in his moves. Unless Lucas's model has completely different rigs and what not.

The only way Ninten makes sense as a character is if they feel like filling the game with a butt load of DLC. He's obscure and he looks like Ness, but Nintendo could use him as an opportunity to promote the release Mother on the Virtual console. If they ever decide to do so.


Regardless, Lucina is a thing so maybe we will see him as a separate character for the same reasons.

I know all of this. My point was that Ness and Lucas at least do have the potential to use offensive attacks (PK Rockin and PK Love), even if they're not the ones they have in Smash, whereas Ninten doesn't have a single one. It would be a good opportunity for Nintendo to have a character who really represents the role actually played in-game by main Mother protagonists, using things like Offense Up, Quick Up, and Defense Up like Shulk's Monado Arts, or as separate specials similar to the way Project M made Lucas use Offense Up, and with a recovery that actually makes use of PK Teleport or 4th-D Slip.

With a significantly different set of specials, normals that focus more on his tools (bat, slingshot, boomerang) rather than punches, kicks, and PSI, (having him spike people with his bat as a fair, for instance) and a new, updated design like what Pit got in Brawl to make him stand out visually, he could make a pretty great character.

His only true downside, as you pointed out, is his obscurity, which actually does make him a bad choice for DLC. We've gotten obscure retro characters before, of course, but with DLC the character has to sell on their own, without a full cast of characters alongside them appealing to everyone.

 

[Laniv]

Guys.

GUYS.

Mother 1 confirmed for Wii U as Earthbound Beginnings!!

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Guys.

GUYS.

Mother 1 confirmed for Wii U as Earthbound Beginnings!!

Mother of god, my favorite entry in the series is finally avaiable in the West through legal means.

But the real question is if the game is heavily censored like the English ROM (No smoking crows, the bloodless Gang Zombies, etc)?

 

[15 [イチゴ]]

Mother of god! This may actually happen. O.o;

 

[PSIBoy]

Guys.

GUYS.

Mother 1 confirmed for Wii U as Earthbound Beginnings!!

Well, that's one thing I didn't expect. Still, I didn't expect the graphics to be touched on, though is I hoped they would be slightly improved... Oh well. I wonder how the difficulty level will be. Even so, I don't think this will affect Ninten's chances significantly, with Lucas already in Smash. But maybe Mother 3 eventually...

Oh, and thank you for sharing this. I very much appreciate the news.

 

[BluePikmin11]

This is extremely exciting! Hoping for a Ninten alt.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

I think that Ninten could be interesting, sort of a semi clone of Lucas and Ness. With Mother 1 Earthbound Beginnings finally being released, perhaps that could give people reason to vote for Ninten.

Also, I feel that Nintendo will heavily consider adding semi clones. Considering that they created Mewtwo and Ryu as unique characters, yet were able to bring Roy and Lucas as semi clones, I feel that semi clones like Tetra/Impa, Dixie Kong, and Ninten have a fighting chance.

 

[AdmN30]

Guys.

GUYS.

Mother 1 confirmed for Wii U as Earthbound Beginnings!!

Finally, some recognition!

 

[smileMasky]

hey it's something screw all the haters and non- believers

 

[Rabbattack]

Now I'm confident that Ninten will make it in Smash 5.

 

[Darth Nightmaricus]

Sign me up.

Our odds are higher now that EarthBound Beginnings exists. So, let's do this!

 

[BlueShadow.EXE]

I support Ninten all the way!!! That's all I really have to say, I'm three fourths asleep and am barely conscious enough to right this. G,night!

 

[Brickbuild101]

It's sad how few supporters there are. Support.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

It's sad how few supporters there are. Support.

Mostly it's because his game was Japan-only at first and people were under the impression that he looks similar to Ness. I see can him gaining a bit more support in the ballot if people actually enjoy Earthbound Begginings.

 

[PSIBoy]

It's sad how few supporters there are. Support.

I didn't expect a ton of support honestly. Though one thing I'm grateful for is that the trolls haven't reared their heads here... Yet.