Hi. Those controllers that I promoted in that thread aren't as good as the First party Nintendo controllers, which no third part controller is. However, it works with gamecube and Brawl without fail, and they last pretty long (I've had 4 of them for a year so far. Some things you should know are that they are lighter and about 7% stiffer than the first party Nintendo controllers. The good thing about them are that they are the exact same size and shape as the first party ones. The bottom line is that their cheap, and the closest third party controller that comes close to a first brand controller. But I always recommend the first party if you prefer quality over quantity. But to answer your question, they're way better than madcatz, and their cheaper too. Not 100% Lasting durability though.