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Or- like anyone else looking at the evolved starters- you can tell which one is more likeable. Not to mention other factors that matter in a fighting game. Charizard works, but it's a bit harder to imagine Blastoise or Venasaur as fighters.Greninja's popularity couldn't have had anything to do with its inclusion. Sakurai said back at E3 that they were done making additions to the roster, and that was months before Greninja was revealed to the public.
Sakurai definitely got an early look at the X & Y starters and just must've thought Greninja would be the most fun of the three.
Exactly what I was thinking.Or- like anyone else looking at the evolved starters- you can tell which one is more likeable. Not to mention other factors that matter in a fighting game. Charizard works, but it's a bit harder to imagine Blastoise or Venasaur as fighters.
Below are the 10 most popular Pokemon on Pokemon Showdown's OU Tier for the month of February. In Red are Gen 6 Pokemon:The "popularity" of Greninja isn't real, or at least it's not as big as what people say, it was made up by those who jumped in the band-wagon after his reveal to justify his inclusion in the roster.
Now that i've said that, i want to make something clear: I know i can be wrong, If there some evidence that he was "THE gen 6 pokemon" before the direct, i will go back on what i just said.
What's wrong with Sheik?!Great post, TRG; I thought the same thing, but you worded it far better than I could.
I'm just glad to have a new character in Smash to scratch my ninja itch, and Sheik just wasn't cutting it.
Already posted this in another thread, but yeah:Is he really that much more popular than Honedge/Aegislash? Would they not have made more unique and less expected newcomers?
This isn't rhetorical, I'm asking out of genuine curiosity since everything I've heard has lead me to assume that Greninja's popularity was second to the Aegislash line. I have no real preference myself, since everything after gen 2 held no interest for me.
From a competive point of view Greninja is indeed one of the most popular Gen6 pokemon, that doesn't make him popular overall.Below are the 10 most popular Pokemon on Pokemon Showdown's OU Tier for the month of February. In Red are Gen 6 Pokemon:
Not only pokemon showdown, but the Pokemon Global Link shows similar results as well:From a competive point of view Greninja is indeed one of the most popular Gen6 pokemon, that doesn't make him popular overall.
Also i know he is very good in competive but... Number one Rotom-Wash? ROTOM-WASH?! Does that mean sakurai should make him playable right now? I mean he is first on the list right? Rotom-Wash, THE most popular pokemon! Stand aside pikachu! Your popularity is nothing compare to the mighty ROTOM-WASH!
I won't deny that this list is very good...for the competive side of pokemon, but If a list of popular pokemon doesn't have pikachu as number one, it only show the opinion of one side of the pokemon fanbase, and nothing else.
He was also by far the most popular starter and pokemon overall from gen 6 in alot of people's eyes and I think how great he translates into a fighting game that really got him the spotFrom a competive point of view Greninja is indeed one of the most popular Gen6 pokemon, that doesn't make him popular overall.
Also i know he is very good in competive but... Number one Rotom-Wash? ROTOM-WASH?! Does that mean sakurai should make him playable right now? I mean he is first on the list right? Rotom-Wash, THE most popular pokemon! Stand aside pikachu! Your popularity is nothing compare to the mighty ROTOM-WASH!
I won't deny that this list is very good...for the competive side of pokemon, but If a list of popular pokemon doesn't have pikachu as number one, it only show the opinion of one side of the pokemon fanbase, and nothing else.
but adding a gen 2, 3, 4 or 5 pokemon now like blaziken (unless we get hoenn remakes), scizor, feraligatr, tyranitar all these other popular pokemon is just dumb and most of the pokemon that come before him wouldn't suit a fighting game at allOK, guys i have to admit... I was wrong.
I looked up a list of the best pokemon from Gen 6 and i found this:
http://www.dorkly.com/article/57168/toplist-results-the-15-greatest-generation-vi-pokemon
Each pokemon from Gen6 got into a "vote duel" with every other Gen 6 pokemon.There was a lot of votes (1.5 million, no idea how much each duel got), and Greninja won first place with a victory in 76% of his duel.
I'll be the first to say that you have to admit when evidence proves you wrong, so here we are:
I was wrong, Greninja is THE pokemon of Gen 6.
However, i still think that he doesn't deserve to be playable, the same vote was made for every generation,them the same thing happend for the top 15 of every gen and here are the result:
http://www.dorkly.com/toplist/56974/the-greatest-pokemon-of-all-time-vote-now
Greninja is number 29, yes it's not bad, but i would argue that the recent release of X and Y got him more votes, and even if that's not the case there are other "bypedal fighter" pokemons who should have gotten before him (Scizor,Blaziken,Feraligatr...), but even if it was Gengar who got in i would say that his inclusion is stupid.
In other word:
-Greninja most deserving pokemon from gen 6? Yes.
-Greninja most deserving pokemon after pikachu,charizard, mewtwo, and lucario? No.
This list seems a little bias to me. Water/Dark types have been done before. It's nothing that unique. Bad*** Ninja can be countered by Speedy*** Fire Breathing Chicken which in terms of Smash is more unique because of the existence of Sheik. Protean while a cool ability can be learned by another Pokemon and won't translate into Smash anyways.Smash is not canon to the games.
So you think megas should represent gen 6 more than than Greninja? I think they did enough of that with Lucario and Charizard. You know Greninja was well liked before he even came out, before people even knew protean existed. He's cool with his shurkans and tounge scarf and I don't really see a reason to not have him. Greninja is just a cool pokemon with a lot of thought put in, and unlike Charizard and Mewtwo, Greninja's fame came without much support, and Greninja's fanbase is going to be happy that he is in the game. Blaziken doesn't really deserve this spot much since Greninja is from gen 6 and Sakurai also did that with Brawl as well with Lucario.
Greninja:
+Unique Water/Dark tpye
+Bad*** Ninja
+Signature move water shurkan which no one else can learn
+Protean as hidden
+Popularity rose without much support and will now rise a lot due to confirmation
-No mega evolution
Blaziken:
+Mega Evo
+Event
+In anime often
-Common starter type
-Blaze kick can be learnt by many
This is really what I consider good and bad. Greninja just fits the slot better and is a good way to represent gen 6, not with Blaziken. We already have two of the most prominent megas and there will be 3 when Mewtwo is most likely revealed. Mewtwo and Charizard's megas are more popular thatn Blaziken's
Ok, i'll admit, i laughed.You know, I was working on a lengthy rebuttal on the whole "deserving" topic, but I just can't keep running in this circle.
@ Typs , I respect your right to form any opinion that you like, even if I cannot personally fathom your reasoning. Furthermore, I wish you peace with Greninja's inclusion, whether it be by realizing how awesome he is or by beating the crap out of him with your favorite character while screaming, "YOU'LL NEVER DESERVE MY LOVE!!!" Whichever works for you.
And I'm out. Peace, folks.
Who, from gen 6, do you think would be a better choice?Ok, i'll admit, i laughed.
I've cooled down a bit since his reveal, and i can see why people like him, but for me a playable character in a smash game needs to be more than a "cool guy from the last game", he/she/it has to be one of the main element of the serie,someone that you remember after years, and Greninja is far from that.
How would you know whether or not Greninja will be remembered for years?he/she/it has to be one of the main element of the serie,someone that you remember after years, and Greninja is far from that.
Yeah, Greninja's inclusion is going to immortalize him more than anything now.How would you know whether or not Greninja will be remembered for years?
You don't think, for one, his inclusion in a Smash wouldn't make him memorable?
Obviously he was gonna be the most popular he's a ninja frog who uses his tounge as a scraf, he's a dark type and has an amazing hidden abilityNatural fit. He's a good fit for a fighting game being a Ninja. Gen VI. No other gens would be considered at this point. Most popular of the Gen VI starters. Even though they likely started work on him before he was revealed to the public they could easily predict he'd be the most popular of the starters.
This is slowly starting to happen. Greninja is the next big starter. Right up there with Charizard, Blastoise and Blaziken. Hell he might be more popular that the later two soon. Especially with his Smash appearance.first i thought it was stupid, but that's also because i personally do not care much for starter pokémon
but then someone told me kids nowadays see greninja just as i used to see charizard back in the days.
i think it's beautiful - even poetic to have a oldest most popular starter in there, as well as the newest most popular.
it really shows pokémon is out there for everyone of all ages, and is still going strong.
His inclusion in Smash will raise him up further to the top 15. I can see that happening. Older Pokemon are just generally more popular at first. But they will get there.OK, guys i have to admit... I was wrong.
I looked up a list of the best pokemon from Gen 6 and i found this:
http://www.dorkly.com/article/57168/toplist-results-the-15-greatest-generation-vi-pokemon
Each pokemon from Gen6 got into a "vote duel" with every other Gen 6 pokemon.There was a lot of votes (1.5 million, no idea how much each duel got), and Greninja won first place with a victory in 76% of his duel.
I'll be the first to say that you have to admit when evidence proves you wrong, so here we are:
I was wrong, Greninja is THE pokemon of Gen 6.
However, i still think that he doesn't deserve to be playable, the same vote was made for every generation,them the same thing happend for the top 15 of every gen and here are the result:
http://www.dorkly.com/toplist/56974/the-greatest-pokemon-of-all-time-vote-now
Greninja is number 29, yes it's not bad, but i would argue that the recent release of X and Y got him more votes, and even if that's not the case there are other "bypedal fighter" pokemons who should have gotten before him (Scizor,Blaziken,Feraligatr...), but even if it was Gengar who got in i would say that his inclusion is stupid.
In other word:
-Greninja most deserving pokemon from gen 6? Yes.
-Greninja most deserving pokemon after pikachu,charizard, mewtwo, and lucario? No.
Every gen has that big starter, charizard, typhlosion, blaziken, infernape and now greninja (let's just ignore the gen 5 starters) it just so happened that gen 6 didn't have that big pokemon that has a movie and everything, mewtwo, deoxys, lucario and zoroark, gen 2 didn't really have oneThis is slowly starting to happen. Greninja is the next big starter. Right up there with Charizard, Blastoise and Blaziken. Hell he might be more popular that the later two soon. Especially with his Smash appearance.
First off, Gen 4 didn't really have a big starter. None of them were all that great or popular. Gen 5 have Samurott which was okay but it still didn't reach high popularity.Every gen has that big starter, charizard, typhlosion, blaziken, infernape and now greninja (let's just ignore the gen 5 starters) it just so happened that gen 6 didn't have that big pokemon that has a movie and everything, mewtwo, deoxys, lucario and zoroark, gen 2 didn't really have one
Infernape was and is one of the more popular starters, I'd at least put him in with B mainly because of how good he is competitivelyFirst off, Gen 4 didn't really have a big starter. None of them were all that great or popular. Gen 5 have Samurott which was okay but it still didn't reach high popularity.
Really in terms of tiers I'd rank them like this:
S Tier:
Charizard
A Tier:
Blastoise
Blaziken
Greninja
B Tier:
Feraligatr
Typhlosion
C Tier:
The rest
To be honest, those are the only ones that really killed it in the Pokemon biz. The rest were lower end.
Nobody.Who, from gen 6, do you think would be a better choice?
I don't, but charizard, the second most popular pokemon after pikachu, had to wait 20 year before his popularity gave him a place in smash. i don't see why Greninja should be playable when we don't know if his popularity is going to last.How would you know whether or not Greninja will be remembered for years?
hmm... i have a hard time following that logic, "Greninja may or may not be memorable, but now that he is in smash, he is, so he deserve to be in smash"? Or are you just saying that he will be popular now that he is in smash? if that's the case i agree, but it would have been better if he became popular on his own.You don't think, for one, his inclusion in a Smash wouldn't make him memorable?
Charizard had to wait that long because of the other 2 starters so when brawl came round to represent FR/LG he added all three but as we now know sakurai changed his mind on switching characters and chose the most popular of the 3 charizard paving the way for greninjaI don't, but charizard, the second most popular pokemon after pikachu, had to wait 20 year before his popularity gave him a place in smash. i don't see why Greninja should be playable when we don't know if his popularity is going to last.
Not sure about the competitive scene but I hear more about Empoleon than Infernape in terms of popularity. But honestly nothing big. The ones I mentioned I've seen more popularity around than any gen 4 or 5 starter.Infernape was and is one of the more popular starters, I'd at least put him in with B mainly because of how good he is competitively
Infernape is essentially blaziken except faster which is why he's so goodNot sure about the competitive scene but I hear more about Empoleon than Infernape in terms of popularity. But honestly nothing big. The ones I mentioned I've seen more popularity around than any gen 4 or 5 starter.
NO! MY GENIUS PLAN TO HAVE EVERYONE EXPLAIN THEIR POINT OF VIEW IS RUINED!The options in the poll: "And I'll explain why below"
Nothing is WRONG with Sheik per se; she's just the closest thing to a ninja in Smash, and I was never very good/comfortable with her.What's wrong with Sheik?!
But thanks