"We were mislead about the big 3"

[MagnesD3]

Sakurai did say he tried cater as many different types of fanbases as he can, you're misleading people, stop.

I'm pretty sure I can post my opinion if I want as long as no rules are broken. Anyways I don't believe he has it in him to deliver and I think someone else should take his spot as director.

 

[DoobieStories]

Mewtwo is the only one of the big threes I really expected not surprised not happy but DEFINATLY not sad either

 

[Aeon Lupin]

Mewtwo and K.Rool are debatable, but Ridley was definitely mislead. Sakurai directly teases him through a potd, then the direct, then the trophies, and Pyrosphere not being shown as a playable stage in any of the builds, despite being revealed more than a year ago. If Ridley is indeed unplayable, Sakurai and the marketing team seriously dropped the ball. They are aware of the demand for the character, yet decided to dance around the idea of his presence up until release. I still think there is more to this than meets the eyes, and the WiiU version will definitely shed all light on the matter, alongside K.Rool and Mewtwo.

 

[Erimir]

Two things...

First, Ridley was teased for over a year.

You might think he was teased as a boss, but he was definitely teased.

The problem with that is that no other potentially playable character was teased this way and then wasn't playable!

Toon Link > playable
Dark Pit > playable

Yellow Devil is not at all analogous, as nobody ever thought he could be playable, for multiple reasons, and nobody wanted him to be. Yellow Devil is not suited to being playable (and even if you think Ridley is not suited for playable, it's undeniable that Yellow Devil is even less suitable, especially given what we saw of him in the Mega Man trailer). He also would be a second playable character for Mega Man/Capcom which is assumed to be impossible (delusional Shadow and Knuckles fans aside). The only question anyone had about Yellow Devil was "Stage hazard, or Assist Trophy?" That's the only question anyone could have about the Yellow Devil.

The problem is that people assumed that teasing Ridley as a boss wasn't worth it! Why would that hype anyone? Ridley as playable creates far more hype than Ridley as a boss, and letting people think Ridley is playable when he's not destroys far more hype than created by teasing him as a boss for a year.

Secondly, yeah, you say the fans shouldn't have thought that, therefore Sakurai did nothing wrong. Bull****. Sakurai might have thought he was clearly teasing Ridley as a boss, but he had months and months to realize that this was not how he was interpreted. All he had to do was say Ridley was a boss on Pyrosphere in one PotD to shut it all down. And he chose not to. If Ridley still needed work, he could just partially show him and explain in the caption (but I doubt he wasn't in showable form, and in any case, many PotDs showed things that were incomplete since we've seen changes). Ridley was one of the most wanted characters (top 5 in the US), and I'm sure Sakurai knew this. So he should've handled him differently, knowing how much people wanted him to be playable.

When IGN interpreted Robin's trailer as implying Chrom was playable, even though it was perfectly clear to me that he was part of Robin's Final Smash, even though it was clear to most people, Sakurai nevertheless shut it down and clarified that he was not playable.

Even if it was the fans just misinterpreting, Sakurai should have shut it down. Yes, he wants to present things the way he planned to, but his job with PotD is to give info and create hype, not to troll us. And when people misinterpret him in a way that will lead to disappointment, there's nothing wrong with being quite irritated that he decided to just let people be disappointed at release.

I still think there's a possibility for DLC, including Wii U release DLC, so we'll see what happens with that. But I think it's pretty much the case that Ridley is a stage hazard. But even so - Sakurai should shoot Ridley down if he's not happening. And the same goes for DLC - if it's not happening, if certain characters are not coming - he should just say so. What purpose does it serve to let people get their hopes up?

 

[Dre89]

Two things...

Ridley was teased for over a year.

You might think he was teased as a boss, but he was definitely teased.

The problem with that is that no other potentially playable character was teased this way and then wasn't playable!

Toon Link > playable
Dark Pit > playable

Yellow Devil is not at all analogous, as nobody ever thought he could be playable, for multiple reasons, and nobody wanted him to be. Yellow Devil is not suited to being playable (and regardless of what you think about Ridley, it's undeniable that Yellow Devil is less suited to being a playable character, especially given what we saw of him in the Mega Man trailer). He also would be a second playable character for Mega Man/Capcom which is assumed to be impossible (delusional Shadow and Knuckles fans aside). The only question anyone had about Yellow Devil was "Stage hazard, or Assist Trophy?"

The problem is that people assumed that teasing Ridley as a boss wasn't worth it! Why would that hype anyone? Ridley as playable creates far more hype than Ridley as a boss, and letting people think Ridley is playable when he's not destroys far more hype than created by teasing him as a boss for a year.

And yeah, you can say the fans shouldn't have thought that, therefore Sakurai did nothing wrong. Bull****. Sakurai might have thought he was clearly teasing Ridley as a boss, but he had months and months to realize that this was not how he was interpreted. All he had to do was say he was a boss on Pyrosphere in one PotD to shut it all down. And he chose not to.

When IGN interpreted Robin's trailer as implying Chrom was playable, even though it was perfectly clear to me that he was part of Robin's Final Smash, even though it was clear to most people, Sakurai nevertheless shut it down and clarified that he was not playable.

Even if it was the fans just misinterpreting, Sakurai should have shut it down. Yes, he wants to present things the way he planned to, but his job with PotD is to give info and create hype, not to troll us. And when people misinterpret him in a way that will lead to disappointment, there's nothing wrong with being quite irritated that he decided to just let people be disappointed at release.

I still think there's a possibility for DLC, including Wii U release DLC, so we'll see what happens with that. But I think it's pretty much the case that Ridley is a stage hazard. But even so - Sakurai should shoot Ridley down if he's not happening. And the same goes for DLC - if it's not happening, if certain characters are not coming - he should just say so. What purpose does it serve to let people get their hopes up?

Saying he was "teased for a year" implies that he was constantly teased in that period, when in reality he was hinted at twice in two years, with reference to bosses.

Also the difference with cases like Dark Pit is that they were officially revealed, in that we got a clear shot of them and there was no ambiguity over who the character was. We were given no context with regards to his role, that was deliberately left ambiguous to generate hype. With Ridley it was the opposite. It was made pretty clear the character was a boss, the ambiguity was just who the character actually was. It might be clear that it was Ridley to us Smashboarders but it probably wasn't to the more casual community. The only people who misinterpretted it as him being playable were the hardcore fans, it would have been pretty obvious to casuals that he was a boss.

Sakurai doesn't need to disconfirm anything. As I said leaving the identity of the boss ambiguous was done to generate hype. He doesn't have to reveal his hype boss character and kill the hype just because some hardcore fans had really desperate logic. The marketing campaign shouldn't be comprimised because of the intellectual negligence of a minority.

 

[I_hate_usernames]

But having Ridley for "Boss hype" is stupid, he's been a boss since Melee, people are bored of him being a boss. Sak knew what he was doing.

 

[Captain Soviet]

Sakurai did say he tried cater as many different types of fanbases as he can, you're misleading people, stop.

Yeah, Magnes! Stop misleading people, only Sakurai can do that!

 

[viewtifulduck82]

...See, this is why I made all those posts about not ignoring the text that was shown when Ridley's shadow was shown. There was no possible way for someone to think he would be a playable character after that, especially given the context it was said in. Sakurai teased Ridley alright, but he teased him as a stage boss. He never misled you, you guys did that to yourself. It takes some serious denial skills to really think after that he'd be playable. It was blatantly obvious to everyone except the people that would over-analyze the situation just to maintain hope. You have to admit, if it were anybody besides Ridely who got their shadow shown in the same manner and in the same context, the boards would have collectively said "Hurr durr, ____ confurmed to be a boss!"

 

[SureNsync]

The reason why the hype 3 is such a big deal because they weren't just the most requested, two are villains and one is supposedly a villain. Plus, none humanoid. We play as the goody two shoes all the time. Ridley, K. Rool and Mewtwo earned that title for a reason. Its not stupid. Its logical.

 

[Erimir]

Saying he was "teased for a year" implies that he was constantly teased in that period, when in reality he was hinted at twice in two years, with reference to bosses.

No, it implies we went over a year without getting explicit confirmation of his status.

I didn't say we were "constantly teased" for a year.

With Ridley it was the opposite. It was made pretty clear the character was a boss, the ambiguity was just who the character actually was. It might be clear that it was Ridley to us Smashboarders but it probably wasn't to the more casual community. The only people who misinterpretted it as him being playable were the hardcore fans, it would have been pretty obvious to casuals that he was a boss.

Sakurai doesn't need to disconfirm anything. As I said leaving the identity of the boss ambiguous was done to generate hype. He doesn't have to reveal his hype boss character and kill the hype just because some hardcore fans had really desperate logic. The marketing campaign shouldn't be comprimised because of the intellectual negligence of a minority.

How can it generate hype for ignorant casuals who don't even know anything about Metroid?

The only people it could generate hype for are people who know who Ridley is! The only people who it could generate hype for knew there was no ambiguity as to the identity of the boss!

You're not making sense. You're saying that somehow it was building hype for people who don't care about Metroid and don't know anything about it - how can they be hyped for something they don't know or care about?

And letting fans to build up false hope only to be highly disappointed compromises the marketing campaign far more than just making an explicit statement about Ridley would have. And yes, Sakurai should disconfirm things when doing so would be good for the marketing campaign.

Sorry, but Sakurai handled Ridley incorrectly. He obviously can choose not to make Ridley playable if he wants, but with Ridley, he failed at marketing. You can defend it all you want, but building hype for and then disappointing Ridley fans, when Ridley was close to the most wanted character in the US, is just ****ty marketing. Doesn't matter if you think they should've known better. Sakurai knew that they didn't since people kept on asking and hoping for Ridley. Choosing to disappoint them is ****ty marketing.

If you think that's good marketing, then you should go into the field, and see how many people agree with you when you say it doesn't matter if the customer misinterprets you and if they're disappointed it's their own fault. Your intentions and plans matter more than your customers' disappointment. Showing disdain for your target demo is idiotic marketing. Building a mystery that can't deliver is bad marketing. Why would you think otherwise?

 

[I_hate_usernames]

The reason why the hype 3 is such a big deal because they weren't just the most requested, two are villains and one is supposedly a villain. Plus, none humanoid. We play as the goody two shoes all the time. Ridley, K. Rool and Mewtwo earned that title for a reason. Its not stupid. Its logical.

Two of them are also from a servilely under-repersented series that needs some serious TLC! These guys are considered the most popular for no reason.

 

[Aeon Lupin]

...See, this is why I made all those posts about not ignoring the text that was shown when Ridley's shadow was shown. There was no possible way for someone to think he would be a playable character after that, especially given the context it was said in. Sakurai teased Ridley alright, but he teased him as a stage boss. He never misled you, you guys did that to yourself. It takes some serious denial skills to really think after that he'd be playable. It was blatantly obvious to everyone except the people that would over-analyze the situation just to maintain hope. You have to admit, if it were anybody besides Ridely who got their shadow shown in the same manner and in the same context, the boards would have collectively said "Hurr durr, ____ confurmed to be a boss!"

The context was that boss CHARACTERS appear in other stages. That can be interpreted in anyway. It could mean more stage bosses in other stages, as you suggest, or Ridley and other boss characters, others of course being Ganondorf and Bowser appearing in other stages as playable characters. It wasn't as clear as you think, especially considering all the fake outs Sakurai does in regards to playable characters, Palutena, Greninja and Toon Link being the biggest examples. Also, some people were confused about Chrom's situation at the end of the Monday trailer, yet Nintendo quickly cleared it up. No such thing was done for Ridley.

 

[viewtifulduck82]

No, it implies we went over a year without getting explicit confirmation of his status.

I didn't say we were "constantly teased" for a year.
How can it generate hype for ignorant casuals who don't even know anything about Metroid?

The only people it could generate hype for are people who know who Ridley is! The only people who it could generate hype for knew there was no ambiguity as to the identity of the boss!

You're not making sense. You're saying that somehow it was building hype for people who don't care about Metroid and don't know anything about it - how can they be hyped for something they don't know or care about?

And letting fans to build up false hope only to be highly disappointed compromises the marketing campaign far more than just making an explicit statement about Ridley would have. And yes, Sakurai should disconfirm things when doing so would be good for the marketing campaign.

Sorry, but Sakurai handled Ridley incorrectly. He obviously can choose not to make Ridley playable if he wants, but with Ridley, he failed at marketing. You can defend it all you want, but building hype for and then disappointing Ridley fans, when Ridley was close to the most wanted character in the US, is just ****ty marketing. Doesn't matter if you think they should've known better. Sakurai knew that they didn't. Choosing to disappoint them is ****ty marketing.

If you think that's good marketing, then you should go into the field, and see how many people agree with you when you say it doesn't matter if the customer misinterprets you and if they're disappointed it's their own fault. Your intentions and plans matter more than your customers' disappointment. Showing disdain for your target demo is idiotic marketing. Building a mystery that can't deliver is bad marketing. Why would you think otherwise?

Yes, because being playable is the only thing to be hyped up about lol. You're whining like a 5 yr old that got a DSi instead of a 3ds on christmas morning. Clearly Sakurai hyped Ridley up, but he did so as a boss. Nowhere does it say that a character must be playable to be hyped up. Being a stage boss is a BIG deal, there aren't that many. This was done knowing FULL WELL how popular Ridley is. Don't try to spin this as you guys being cheated, screwed over, or misled. He could have easily just been a throw away sticker or trophy, but instead he got the boss treatment that I'm sure took a lot of work.\

The context was that boss CHARACTERS appear in other stages. That can be interpreted in anyway. It could mean more stage bosses in other stages, as you suggest, or Ridley and other boss characters alongside Ganondorf and Bowser appearing in other stages as playable characters. It wasn't as clear as you think, especially considering all the fake outs Sakurai does in regards to playable characters, Palutena, Greninja and Toon Link being the biggest examples.

When have you ever heard the playable characters of smash bros referred to as boss characters? You also mention the context of said moment, and then take it out of context lol

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, because being playable is the only thing to be hyped up about lol. You're whining like a 5 yr old that got a DSi instead of a 3ds on christmas morning. Clearly Sakurai hyped Ridley up, but he did so as a boss. Nowhere does it say that a character must be playable to be hyped up. Being a stage boss is a BIG deal, there aren't that many. This was done knowing FULL WELL how popular Ridley is. Don't try to spin this as you guys being cheated, screwed over, or misled. He could have easily just been a throw away sticker or trophy, but instead he got the boss treatment that I'm sure took a lot of work.

First of all, don't tell anyone that they're acting like a five year old, unless you want to start a flame war. Second of all, there was absolety no reason to not show Ridley by skin. Unless, you're trying to hide something. Not everyone views these kind of things in a linear fashion.

 

[I_hate_usernames]

ITT: People who don't know the difference between "Boss characters" and "Characters as bosses"

 

[viewtifulduck82]

First of all, don't tell anyone that they're acting like a five year old, unless you want to start a flame war. Second of all, there was absolety no reason to not show Ridley by skin. Unless, you're trying to hide something. Not everyone views these kind of things in a linear fashion.

Alright fine, I could have used a better simile, but all of my points still stand.

 

[UberPyro64]

If you look at all the first party newcomers they were almost all new characters or characters reintroduced during the DS/Wii era and 3DS/Wii U era.

Wii Fit Trainer - Wii Fit (2008)
Rosalina - Super Mario Galaxy (2007)
Little Mac - Punch Out!! Wii (2009)
Greninja - Pokemon X/Y (2013)
Palutena - Kid Icarus: Uprising (2012)
Dark Pit - Kid Icarus: Uprising (2012)
Robin - Fire Emblem: Awakening (2013)
Lucina - Fire Emblem: Awakening (2013)
Shulk - Xenoblade Chronicles (2012)

The only exceptions were:

Villager - Animal Crossing (2002)
Bowser Jr. - Super Mario Sunshine (2002)
Duck Hunt (1984)

So the ones we got that weren't were a character from the only big franchise not represented by one, a character that has been recurring from Nintendo's biggest franchise and a retro classic. These might have been to Sakurai the last potential additions for Smash Bros. before those era's.

Besides potential retro reps and those reintroduced, I feel like we have gotten all the newcomers for what we could expect from the past. It is time to look to the future with the 3DS/Wii U era and beyond for future new characters for the next title.

Sorry Ridley, K. Rool and Isaac fans and fans of other characters like them, we aren't getting them.

Somehow I feel maybe Isabelle might be playable in the next game. She is DLC with the Villager in Mario Kart 8 after all. There was also a new Chibi-Robo game earlier this year so maybe he could be a thing if he continues further. And of course there is Splatoon and Captain Toad as well. And of course there will be characters from future Pokemon and Fire Emblem titles as well.

 

[InfernoIII]

...See, this is why I made all those posts about not ignoring the text that was shown when Ridley's shadow was shown. There was no possible way for someone to think he would be a playable character after that, especially given the context it was said in. Sakurai teased Ridley alright, but he teased him as a stage boss. He never misled you, you guys did that to yourself. It takes some serious denial skills to really think after that he'd be playable. It was blatantly obvious to everyone except the people that would over-analyze the situation just to maintain hope. You have to admit, if it were anybody besides Ridely who got their shadow shown in the same manner and in the same context, the boards would have collectively said "Hurr durr, ____ confurmed to be a boss!"

Ummm , any other character that was teased like that was later confirmed, Such as Dark Pit , Palutena , and Mr.Game and Watch. Any other character that wasn't a character but something else was straight out deconfirmed , such as Skull Kid and Ghiriham. It takes some serious hindsight bias to say he wasn't teasing Ridley as a character.

Sorry Ridley, K. Rool and Isaac fans and fans of other characters like them, we aren't getting them.

I think if any character is likely to be DLC , it's Issac. This is because he was completely removed as an assist trophy , but Camelot is still put into the credits. Are there any other Nintendo series with 3+ characters that don't have any representation?

 

[Arcadenik]

The reason why the hype 3 is such a big deal because they weren't just the most requested, two are villains and one is supposedly a villain. Plus, none humanoid. We play as the goody two shoes all the time. Ridley, K. Rool and Mewtwo earned that title for a reason. Its not stupid. Its logical.

And it is arbitrary. That's the bottom line.

Such a shame... how the mighty has fallen... the bigger they are, the harder they fall... this is what I'm seeing right now... tsk tsk...

 

[Erimir]

Clearly Sakurai hyped Ridley up, but he did so as a boss. Nowhere does it say that a character must be playable to be hyped up. Being a stage boss is a BIG deal, there aren't that many. This was done knowing FULL WELL how popular Ridley is. Don't try to spin this as you guys being cheated, screwed over, or misled. He could have easily just been a throw away sticker or trophy, but instead he got the boss treatment that I'm sure took a lot of work.

There is no "rule" that a character has to be playable to by hype.

However, it is simply fact that among Smash fans playable characters get far, far more hype than anything else about the game.

This is not a controversial statement. You're blaming the customer again. Sakurai knows, or should have known, what people wanted with Ridley. After teasing him a couple times, he definitely should've known what people wanted and what they were starting to think. And knowing how popular Ridley is, he should've wanted to avoid disappointment.

Doesn't matter if you think, for whatever reason, that people should be just as hyped for Ridley being a stage hazard.

Because people aren't hyped by that, and they aren't ****ing obligated to be just because Sakurai thought they would be.

This is what I was talking about before, again. Sakurai is free to do whatever with Ridley, and I'm not entitled to playable Ridley, and maybe he had good reasons for not making him playable (maybe he was too hard to implement, or whatever). But when it comes to marketing the game, he handled Ridley incorrectly. Blaming the fans for misinterpreting him is ****ty marketing. Blaming your audience for not being hyped by the things you wanted them to be hyped by, ignoring that you were setting them up for disappointment is ****ty marketing. Doesn't matter whether you thought it was obvious or not, it's irrelevant. The fact is that people did think we maybe were being teased, and therefore Sakurai should've shut it down.



As far as how much work has gone into Ridley as a stage hazard... I don't give a ****. I don't want him as a stage hazard in the first place - and by saying that I'm not whining about how he's not playable. I think he'd make a great Assist Trophy! That would much much preferable to a stage hazard. I'd prefer all the stage bosses to be ATs!

And in any case, I'm not hyped by that. I'd prefer to see Ridley as just a trophy than a stage hazard. Stage hazard Ridley ruins the Pyrosphere stage IMO, and doesn't do Ridley justice. By all the evidence we've seen so far, Pyrosphere stage hazard Ridley will be even more lame than his weak boss appearance in Brawl. I'd rather he be an AT that quickly and brutally attacks people instead of a slow, easily avoided stage hazard that adds yet another unnecessary gimmick to the stages. It's like the FD form for stages has just given Sakurai an excuse to make almost every stage unplayable for competitive play, like he thinks people who don't like items don't even like platforms, and conversely that people who do like items just want **** blowing up all over the place because that's "fun". I'd rather see Ridley as just a trophy than as a stage hazard on Pyrosphere.

 

[Roy-Kun]

To Smashboarders it just seemed like more teasing because they spent so much time reading too much into it and devising theories about it.

Welcome to SmashBoards, the place where the Director is going to be blamed by the misled (die-hard) fans!

--To be fair though, in Brawl, when Lucas was revealed, the text did heavily imply that Ness was being cut. Even so, I dunno, this time it's just very silly.

Out of "the big 3", I only care about Mewtwo.

 

[Nietona]

...See, this is why I made all those posts about not ignoring the text that was shown when Ridley's shadow was shown. There was no possible way for someone to think he would be a playable character after that, especially given the context it was said in. Sakurai teased Ridley alright, but he teased him as a stage boss. He never misled you, you guys did that to yourself. It takes some serious denial skills to really think after that he'd be playable. It was blatantly obvious to everyone except the people that would over-analyze the situation just to maintain hope. You have to admit, if it were anybody besides Ridely who got their shadow shown in the same manner and in the same context, the boards would have collectively said "Hurr durr, ____ confurmed to be a boss!"

Evidently there was plenty of reason to believe he'd be playable, judging by the 1900+ page Ridley thread.

Sakurai was ambiguous. Ridley is a stage boss, so there was absolutely no reason whatsoever to show Ridley's shadow instead of Ridley himself when teasing the boss. It's true that with any other character they'd have been accepted as a stage boss there and then, but it's because Ridley is so highly-requested and Nintendo knows that he is that people could assume there was a chance for him to still be playable. The misleading part comes from where Sakurai decided to let this continue and didn't step out to stop Ridley fans where he did for other characters that were teased or referenced and then ended up not playable. This, combined with other things that could be deemed suspicious like Pyrosphere being emitted from the demo, allowed people to get their hopes up as it didn't seem much like a coincidence at the time.

Just because we know now that Ridley isn't playable and you didn't believe it when we were hopeful doesn't mean that we were automatically in the wrong for hoping and should have all listened to you immediately there and then. We weren't in the wrong at all for looking past the text to everything else.

Yes, because being playable is the only thing to be hyped up about lol. You're whining like a 5 yr old that got a DSi instead of a 3ds on christmas morning. Clearly Sakurai hyped Ridley up, but he did so as a boss. Nowhere does it say that a character must be playable to be hyped up. Being a stage boss is a BIG deal, there aren't that many. This was done knowing FULL WELL how popular Ridley is. Don't try to spin this as you guys being cheated, screwed over, or misled. He could have easily just been a throw away sticker or trophy, but instead he got the boss treatment that I'm sure took a lot of work.

To be fair, technically Sakurai is ripping off Dead or Alive Dimensions.

If there was ever a reason not to make Ridley playable, it was going to be to showcase the new Stage Boss mechanic. Still, the fact remains that Sakurai didn't step out to tell Ridley fans to stop building false hype where he did with characters such as Chrom. Instead, he let it build until release date.

 

[Erimir]

Actually... Ridley could be a classic mode boss (replacing Master Hand under certain conditions) rather than a stage hazard. That would be better at least. But then he'd have to make him cooler than he was in Brawl.

 

[Nietona]

At the end of the day, none of us were purposely mislead regarding the Big Three.

K. Rool fans... well, they haven't even really complained about being mislead because all they got were Kremlings.

Mewtwo fans are upset because Sakurai's interview gave them all false hype for the game that Sakurai didn't stamp out when he could have done.

Ridley fans are upset because the Ridley in the clip looked more playable than boss, and then Sakurai didn't stamp out their false hype either when they analysed it and got their hopes up.

Sakurai unintentionally mislead people with the Ridley clip and Mewtwo interview answer, but it's more about how he didn't tell those people to stop afterwards and instead let them build up for crushing disappointment.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Well king k rool is not going to be playable nor dlc playable

Hes just got confirmed as a collectable trophy.

 

[Erimir]

At the end of the day, none of us were purposely mislead regarding the Big Three.

To be clear, I don't think Sakurai purposely misled us about any of them either.

But he was pretty clueless if he thought that he wasn't setting people up for disappointment. He should've shut it down, as I said.

 

[Aeon Lupin]

When have you ever heard the playable characters of smash bros referred to as boss characters? You also mention the context of said moment, and then take it out of context lol

Gee, I don't know, has there ever been a background character become a playable character? Just because it never happened in the past, doesn't mean it can happen again. Also, we don't know the context of Sakurai's line because he hasn't showcased his stance on the issue. Lastly, just taking the line at face value is never a good idea, unless it was blunt. For example, the Chrom phrase, whenhe was revealed to be a final smash alluded to him being playable. That wasn't the case, thus Nintendo went and clarified it. As far as I'm concern, Ridley hasn't been completely deconfirmed, 90% sure he has now, but that 10% still tells me there is more to this than we think, so lets alteast wait t'ill the WiiU version.

 

[Malcolmnex]

the big 3 is a stupid concept..... not for the 3 characters involved (they would be awesome) but because their fans think there is some form of entitlement over other characters that people want. Amazingly enough, ridley fans are the biggest offenders, Even though he got deconfirmed by miiverse, the Direct, AND the leak.

Just cuz the big 3 isnt in, their fans are saying the official roster is ****ty YET some of us who like the roster get attacked for defending it....... THE F*****KING IRONY!!

moral of the story:
-take things with a grain of salt, the big 3 was never a sure thing.... no one was
-if you are a big 3 supporter, Don't be mad at everyone who hates/doesnt care for the big 3 JUST to Flame someone who favourite character made it in

as far as dlc goes, i am POSITIVE there will be dlc after pikman 3 and mk8.

mewtwo has a shot due to sakurai looking into bringing melee nostalgia back. k rool....... rareware owns him and is currently nowhere to be seen lately so we'll see. and FINALLY ridley............ (flame shield up) has no chance at all. none. zip. zero. **** being big. HE HAS BEEN DECONFIRMED. thats that.....

-end rant-

 

[Reila]

There is no such thing as "big 3". Unless you are talking about literal sizes, if so then Ridley and K. Rool are big indeed.

 

[SmashK.O.]

...See, this is why I made all those posts about not ignoring the text that was shown when Ridley's shadow was shown. There was no possible way for someone to think he would be a playable character after that, especially given the context it was said in. Sakurai teased Ridley alright, but he teased him as a stage boss. He never misled you, you guys did that to yourself. It takes some serious denial skills to really think after that he'd be playable. It was blatantly obvious to everyone except the people that would over-analyze the situation just to maintain hope. You have to admit, if it were anybody besides Ridely who got their shadow shown in the same manner and in the same context, the boards would have collectively said "Hurr durr, ____ confurmed to be a boss!"

Thank you. I was just going to say the exact same thing regarding Ridley.

As for the the other two Big Three. The Kremlings being in Smash Run meant nothing, so I'm not exactly sure how people made the logical connection that an enemy appearance in Smash Run means that King K. Rool is going to be playable...not to mention, that we don't have many antagonist playables since Smash 64. Furthermore, Sakurai could have easily made him a boss character if he wanted a different Donkey Kong stage. All I'm trying to say is I can't see the connection between seeing Kremlings and then suddenly thinking that King K. Rool has playable potential.

And Mewtwo is something I will never understand. People say that the Greninja reveal trailer was misleading. In what way? We see a Pokemon that was using an energy ball, but the energy ball was clearly and distinctly made of water (as seen through the water spots around the ball), and when the energy ball was "charged" we see a blue figure. Immediately that means Mewtwo was not in the trailer. Furthermore, when have we ever seen a Mewtwo hang upside down? As for the GameFreak thing, Sakurai said "we are thinking about it" or something along the line. Thinking/Considering =/= immediately going to add Mewtwo, so it's the fanbase's own fault for thinking that Sakurai saying thinking/considering = "Mewtwo is in!"

I understand wanting characters, but sometimes I feel like people who want these characters are so goddamn desperate that they're willing to ignore logic if it meant that the hope that their character will be in the game is sustained.

 

[Aeon Lupin]

Thank you. I was just going to say the exact same thing regarding Ridley.

I'm sorry, but no. To start off, Ridley was never one of my most requested characters. Most of my requested characters are already in the game, so I'm fairly satisfied.

thus with that said, I came from a fairly unbias perspective on the whole Ridley thing, and I can tell you, it was handled poorly on Sakurai's part, if he is indeed deconfirmed. Just because you all assume he was confirmed to be a boss doesn't mean that was the case. Sakurai never explicitly confirmed him as a boss or character. I understand people need to calm down, and not let this get to them too much, but be real, some of these guys have been waiting 13 years to see Ridley playable, have been the source of ridicule by the other party claiming they're delusional, and now there is a new Smash game, in which they are hoping he's in. No one expected him to be in, but all the teasing, and similar cases to such teasing, coupled with being a highly requested character, you can't blame folks for thinking he was in. Again, I care less that Ridley is in or not, but I know poor marketing when I see it. Sakurai basically just mocked the Ridley fans in the worst way possible. It wouldn't have hurt to just revealed him as a boss right then and there.

 

[Cyberguy64]

I don't get all the hate for supporters of the Big Three. We wanted these characters in, same as anyone, we looked for evidence that they'd be in, same as anyone, and since they're not, we're disappointed, same as anyone. Why all the spite and "I told you so?"-ing?

 

[MagnesD3]

Well king k rool is not going to be playable nor dlc playable

Hes just got confirmed as a collectable trophy.

You do get that characters who have trophies can be dlc right?

the big 3 is a stupid concept..... not for the 3 characters involved (they would be awesome) but because their fans think there is some form of entitlement over other characters that people want. Amazingly enough, ridley fans are the biggest offenders, Even though he got deconfirmed by miiverse, the Direct, AND the leak.

Just cuz the big 3 isnt in, their fans are saying the official roster is ****ty YET some of us who like the roster get attacked for defending it....... THE F*****KING IRONY!!

moral of the story:
-take things with a grain of salt, the big 3 was never a sure thing.... no one was
-if you are a big 3 supporter, Don't be mad at everyone who hates/doesnt care for the big 3 JUST to Flame someone who favourite character made it in

as far as dlc goes, i am POSITIVE there will be dlc after pikman 3 and mk8.

mewtwo has a shot due to sakurai looking into bringing melee nostalgia back. k rool....... rareware owns him and is currently nowhere to be seen lately so we'll see. and FINALLY ridley............ (flame shield up) has no chance at all. none. zip. zero. **** being big. HE HAS BEEN DECONFIRMED. thats that.....

-end rant-

The big three are more important and popular than like half of the newcomers its pretty ridiculous.

 

[MagnesD3]

Please dlete

 

[DarkKry4]

No it is completely our fault for thinking sakurai could deliver. Look at every single title of smash and you will ALWAYS find something lacking and poor.

64 had very few characters, melee had a stupid amount of clones and strange character choices, brawl had terrible gameplay and smash 4s roster is garbage, something always has to give with him.

Sakurai isn't good enough at delivering a package that pleases 90% of its fans this is clear. As long as sakurai is lead director then we will always be letdown in some way when it comes to smash.

I'm pretty sure I can post my opinion if I want as long as no rules are broken. Anyways I don't believe he has it in him to deliver and I think someone else should take his spot as director.

wow.... i had no idea you were so irrational but it makes sense considering the bug Sakurai on twitter campaign.

Just because characters like Ridley, Krystal, Wolf or Mewtwo aren't in the game doesn't mean hes doing a bad job. If he was doing a bad job, the games wouldn't be selling like they are.

A guy who brought in Duck Hunt Dog, Pacman and Megaman isn't delivering? wtf? I swear everyone is acting like spoiled brats right now.

 

[Deleted member]

the big 3 is a stupid concept..... not for the 3 characters involved (they would be awesome) but because their fans think there is some form of entitlement over other characters that people want. Amazingly enough, ridley fans are the biggest offenders, Even though he got deconfirmed by miiverse, the Direct, AND the leak.

Just cuz the big 3 isnt in, their fans are saying the official roster is ****ty YET some of us who like the roster get attacked for defending it....... THE F*****KING IRONY!!

moral of the story:
-take things with a grain of salt, the big 3 was never a sure thing.... no one was
-if you are a big 3 supporter, Don't be mad at everyone who hates/doesnt care for the big 3 JUST to Flame someone who favourite character made it in

as far as dlc goes, i am POSITIVE there will be dlc after pikman 3 and mk8.

mewtwo has a shot due to sakurai looking into bringing melee nostalgia back. k rool....... rareware owns him and is currently nowhere to be seen lately so we'll see. and FINALLY ridley............ (flame shield up) has no chance at all. none. zip. zero. **** being big. HE HAS BEEN DECONFIRMED. thats that.....

-end rant-

>Acts extremely immature.
>Tells others to not flame bait.
Do you expect us to tolerate you? I will, but good luck with the others.

A guy who brought in Duck Hunt Dog, Pacman and Megaman isn't delivering? wtf? I swear everyone is acting like spoiled brats right now.

You mean two third party characters and a joke character? Yeah, I guess we are spoiled brats. Seriously though, don't discuss like that, you sound like a hypocrite.

 

[MagnesD3]

wow.... i had no idea you were so irrational but it make senses considering the bug Sakurai on twitter campaign.

Just because characters like Ridley, Krystal, Wolf or Mewtwo aren't in the game doesn't mean hes doing a bad job. If he was doing a bad job, the games wouldn't be selling like they are.

A guy who brought in Duck Hunt Dog, Pacman and Megaman isn't delivering? wtf? I swear everyone is acting like spoiled brats right now.

Out of those you listed Megaman was the only one who people wanted and thats a 3rd party character who doesnt matter to many nintendo fans. Regardless thats all I have to say to you on the matter, discussion with you is pointless.

 

[Cyberguy64]

Out of those you listed Megaman was the only one who people wanted and thats a 3rd party character who doesnt matter to many nintendo fans. Regardless thats all I have to say to you on the matter, discussion with you is pointless.

Yeah.... Don't argue for us. Megaman was an NES staple back in the day, and millions of people actually thought he was a straight up Nintendo character for years.

That said, it does feel like Sakurai thought: "Okay, I gave them their Rock-Person. Time to make what I want!"

 

[MagnesD3]

Yeah.... Don't argue for us. Megaman was an NES staple back in the day, and millions of people actually thought he was a straight up Nintendo character for years.

That said, it does feel like Sakurai thought: "Okay, I gave them their Rock-Person. Time to make what I want!"

To many equals to not everyone. Of course megaman is important to a good amount of nintendo fans otherwise he wouldnt be so popular here. Im a nintendo fan though not a capcom one.

 

[Cyberguy64]

To many equals to not everyone. Of course megaman is important to a good amount of nintendo fans otherwise he wouldnt be so popular here. Im a nintendo fan though not a capcom one.

Millions.