VLS Felony - Donation Link in First Post

[Tom]

I heard that its also additional time if you commit a crime and then travel to another state.

 

[Adi]

Without the police you're going to have a hard time tracking the suspect down. Better learn forensics and a way of accessing police records.

 

[xyouxarexuglyx2]

Call L... or N.

 

[Solid Jake]

Woz's post is amazing.

Yeah.. this really is.. frustrating to have somebody to do something, that we worked incredibly hard to put together.


Were considering bringing it to the police.. but first were trying to figure out when we thinkg it was taken.

 

[Bailey]

I heard that its also additional time if you commit a crime and then travel to another state.

That can add a lot on to the persons crime because mostly everyone there was an OOSer

 

[felipe1123]

Maybe it might help to check who left early. It would be exceptionally difficult, I think, to hide $950 throughout a tourney without getting caught, especially one of this magnitude, so yeah.

Hopefully it wasn't some random dude that just came in and saw an envelope full of money , iono how strict your entrance and admittance to the venue was.

 

[xyouxarexuglyx2]

Woz's post is amazing.

Yeah.. this really is.. frustrating to have somebody to do something, that we worked incredibly hard to put together.


Were considering bringing it to the police.. but first were trying to figure out when we thinkg it was taken.

Bring it to the cops this instant! Let THEM try to decide when it was taken with the information given.

 

[Banks]

there were some people who quite obviously didnt play smash. some older lady with pink hair lewl

 

[the_suicide_fox]

Say it was a fundraiser and it's not considered gambling.

Hopefully, this person will get their karma when it turns out one of the bills is counterfiet and , after taking it to the bank to deposit, they get arrested anyway.

 

[ArcNatural]

If the large lockbox is now the most possible time where someone could have just opened it and taken the envelope. You really should be calling or already dealing with the police. Since there is a good chance they may be able to find a fingerprint that isn't yours or the host's crew. You may get lucky and actually get a hit with someone with a record. At the very least you would have done something. The longer you wait the more difficult it will be for the police to do anything.

 

[Sliq]

If someone has the gull to steal 1000$, the odds of them having a criminal record is high. I can't imagine someone just deciding to start stealing out of the blue. Then again, they may have gotten away with it in the past. Your only real course of action is either police or a private investigator.

 

[takieddine]

I have a feeling whoever did this is not a very active member of this community.

It just doesnt make sense to see someone that loves this game do such a horrible thing to hurt community.

It saddens me that the mages have ruled off an entire group of people because of 1 or a few bad apples.

If anything else besides money was taken, I suggest descriptions be put up so people might see something, one day.

 

[Warrior of Zarona]

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. OWM has agreed to call the police and updates will be given on what happened.

 

[Zombie Lucille Ball]

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. OWM has agreed to call the police and updates will be given on what happened.

Um how is that gonna work when you yourself said the tourney was technically illegal in CT since it was unlicensed/sancitoned gambling?

 

[MattDotZeb]

I am curious about that as well, CogSmooch.
Though someone did suggest saying it was a charity event. Perhaps they went with that?

 

[Zombie Lucille Ball]

Cops would probably ask for specifics if they said that... esp with $1k being stolen

 

[AlphaZealot]

I'm not entirely sure a Smash tournament falls under gambling, for several reasons.

1)You entry fee doesn't nessasarly go straight to the pot (food, venue, misc expenses).
2)It is a skill based competition

 

[wWw Dazwa]

I've argued that to lots of people and they still believe otherwise, unfortunately. Hopefully the police understand that, though.

 

[Warrior of Zarona]

AZ, it's a really stupid matter, and I've tried to argue about it to some cops in NJ who also follow this law. It's something they're not going to be understanding about. What's lucky is that OWM researched the CT laws and found that Gambling doesn't fall under legal contests of skill. We're hoping that VLS will count towards as such.

Here are the final conclusions I've come up with on the timeframe.

• As stated before, when I had given in my money to omegablackmage, he took the money, then wrapped it with the rest of the crews envelope and placed it in the lockbox. What's important is that he didn't have omegawhitemage lock the box right away. At the time, I didn't remember seeing omegawhitemage in the room. I'm going to have to assume that omegablackmage jumped straight to their crew battle, where all the other mages were waiting, leaving a friend who I will remain nameless for now in charge of watching the room.
• A 20 minute time period passed when the mages weren't in the room. Anonymous unfortunately wasn't paying attention to the room and was playing smash on the TV there. This occurred between 1 PM and 2 PM. At the least, the lockbox was behind the desk, and not hidden in its safeplace.

So there it is. I'm 99% certain that the incident happened in this small time frame, and someone must have been able to place their grubby hands on the lockbox then.

 

[the_suicide_fox]

They'd have to research whether or not what they did was gambling. If they were planning to keep some money for themselves, charity, or expenses then those can nullify that whole idea and it would be perfectly legal. Plus they could always say it was their money that they were going to give out as a prize or something. There's millions of loopholes

EDIT: **** WoZ typing faster than me >.<

 

[omegawhitemage]

Connecticut Gambling Laws

Ok so I'm going to go directly to the Police station tonight around 7-8, so I'll post when I return and let you know how it went.

 

[Cort]

Good luck OWM

Also to those that don't want to bother with that URL (it's a little messed up btw):

(2) "Gambling" means risking any money, credit, deposit or other thing of value for gain contingent in whole or in part upon lot, chance or the operation of a gambling device, but does not include: Legal contests of skill, speed, strength or endurance in which awards are made only to entrants or the owners of entries

Good thing smash is a contest of skill speed strength AND endurance. **** yeah.

 

[AlphaZealot]

****, I don't even live in connecticut and I nailed that ****.

Actually that is pretty much a universal state law. MLG had to look into that many years ago and it sometimes still gets brought up.

 

[omegawhitemage]

Also wanted to mention that when I go to the police tonight I'm having the box printed. Everyone who should've had their hands on the box already have their prints on file which is going to make the police's job much easier. I've also already been in touch with them and they are totally cooperating with us so with any luck once I see them tonight we will have a good idea as to who has done this.

So I say this as a warning, whoever did this WILL be caught. So if this is you, please return our money to us to avoid a criminal conviction. And as I said, I will keep your identity hidden from the public.

 

[_milktea]

Good stuff OWM, good luck!

 

[Warrior of Zarona]

What's kinda good is that we can actually track down who couldn't have been in the room at the time. If first round of crews were going on at this time, we can look at who were doing their matches and possibly scratch them off the list of suspects.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Hopefully the fingerprinting will net a few suspects. I'm sure some people touched that box though without trying to steal anything. Something to keep in mind.

 

[squaminator]

Wizards has been sanctioning magic tournaments for years, and i'm pretty **** sure that smash is more skill and speed based than magic, or at least speed based.

 

[xHayatox]

ill find a way :o

 

[takieddine]

Fingerprints+List of Suspecs=possible leads?

Although im not sure if investigating that list of people is legal/doable.

 

[omegawhitemage]

No police in my state can do anything to help. So I guess I'm stuck going to CT to try and resolve the problem.

 

[wWw Dazwa]

Good luck. I really hope you catch the terrible person who did this to the community.

 

[pikachun00b7]

No police in my state can do anything to help. So I guess I'm stuck going to CT to try and resolve the problem.

That sucks so much. Who would steal money from the people who have worked so hards for this tournament. I wish I could help.

 

[the_suicide_fox]

OWM, problem is you don't have real names, only aliases. I dunno how much can be done about that. Photos would help better though. Hopefully the person has their prints on file bc of prior arrests.

And I would say that if the person returns the money to drop the charges, but I would still blacklist the person. I wouldn't want whoever did it at my tournament. But he at least won't meet bubba in the state prison

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

OWM, problem is you don't have real names, only aliases. I dunno how much can be done about that. Photos would help better though.

Most people have at least a few other people in the smash community that knows their real name. Except for noobs... The problem is that it's more likely someone that we don't know well.

 

[nuro]

Hopefully the fingerprinting will net a few suspects. I'm sure some people touched that box though without trying to steal anything. Something to keep in mind.

You would have to be stupid to touch a lockbox with money inside of it for no reason. If I saw someone touch that box I would definitely think its suspicious which is what most people should have thought. This means that no one should have touched the box unless they needed to. Only the mages and the culprits prints should be on that box.

 

[xyouxarexuglyx2]

You would have to be stupid to touch a lockbox with money inside of it for no reason. If I saw someone touch that box I would definitely think its suspicious which is what most people should have thought. This means that no one should have touched the box unless they needed to. Only the mages and the culprits prints should be on that box.

People like touching interesting things. It gives them a feeling of self-worth

 

[Sliq]

People like touching interesting things. It gives them a feeling of self-worth

I like touching my interesting thing because it gives me self-gratification.

 

[omegawhitemage]

I like touching my interesting thing because it gives me self-gratification.

LOL Sliq, as funny as that was, i must ask you not to spam my thread plz.

Looks like i'm going to make the trek to CT this wkend and hopefully see what they can do for me. We'll see what happens.

 

[XIF]

i thought you actually lived in CT...