lil cj
Smash Lord
I think ToxiCrow was planning on making a thread like this, describing Lucas' four worst match ups more in depth...he probably doesnt remember...lol....so I decided to make one
Ok...lets get this started....We all know Lucas worst match ups are G&W, DK, Marth and Meta Knight. They can completely shut Lucas down if played correctly....so what is the Lucas player to do against The Deadly 4?....
...We will find out by discussing each bad match up
I will make this as oragnized as possible.
Below is a list of the Deadly 4, some info about them(from the match up discussion thread), and video(s) of the match up
I will update each character's information as we discuss the pros/cons/etc.
Also, lets try to get the mains of the Deadly 4 to join our discussion
1. 20-80
Cons:
Strategies:
Videos:
What a good G&W looks like- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_bd_6_Nqek&feature=related
What to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um8z0XiBoFY&feature=related
What not to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZbxQx0AI-c
More vids on this match up-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSmiKe3ybJ0 (shows G&W gimping Lucas' PKT recovery with bucket)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2pW-snL6Rs (great comeback by Lucas)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlW0yFNiwto (dont spam up smash when going against G&W....lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYPh0-FwRn8 (shows how G&W's uair could potentially mess up PKT recovery)
Learning Your Enemy[G&W Combo Videos]
No Games...Just Watch- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFj4bPrucbE&feature=related
Judgement Day- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNdyC2jYyXs
Ring Ring Ring- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnmzjWNoQXc&feature=related
Bair Necessities- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyBKHCt-6Ac&feature=related
Hells Bells- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pH3scTaS5c&feature=related
2. 25-75
Cons:
Strategies:
Videos:
What a good DK looks like- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fep5iWhCbTQ
What to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9CQN-vwLjQ
What not to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G1gowezJ-g
More vids on this match up-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMLww5yEhY0 (NinjaLink's Lucas had some trouble in this match but still won...Impressive DK!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hTOJZwbzIs (Lucas got 3 stocked in this match)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py7pUHNj26w (Great KO in the end by ZMan!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7SSLe4V_A (Close match...and another win for Lucas)
Learning Your Enemy[DK Combo Videos]
Natural Selection- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVImpxyZfIE
Beware the Beast- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0hp00xKK8g&feature=related
Rumble in the Jungle- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPiJfPrzonY&feature=related
Leader of the Bunch- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdRc26TYjgI&feature=related
Make it Clap- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0c0WXuiaHQ&feature=related
3. 30-70
Cons:
Strategies:
Videos:
What a good Marth looks like- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JmklgxOfNM
What to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTT1lsYtb64
What not to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAxt0ka6XVU
More vids on this match up-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0ePn7AfDAY (Lucas got owned in this match)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upBCzYBV-iA (Marth got 3 stocked)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJZHm_KSd9M (Death grab in action)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o74IBXOazSM (A win for Marth...he got lucky)
Learning Your Enemy[Marth Combo Videos]
Determination- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9cVTkP4_KQ
Shining Burst- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNWGCP47Jag&feature=related
Discipline- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cbi_U0fUMw
Swift Breaker- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRWJ6CeX2ZM&feature=related
Dancing Blade- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arhRRNiRaEE&feature=related
4. 35-65
Cons:
Strategies:
Videos:
What a good MK looks like- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwo39ulIYfQ&feature=related
What to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsUP0PWiuP4&feature=related
What not to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8YjYKE2iec&feature=related
More vids on this match up-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiSkhSJrWnw&feature=related (PK Fire works wonders against MK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_URr0z7zqk&feature=related (sudden death win for MK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKlFWAQdOms&feature=channel_page (Lucas owned this Meta Knight)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ9aIkoYOeA&feature=related (both players played well...but MK wins)
Learning Your Enemy[MK Combo Videos]
You can't Kill the Metal...- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzNzaPJKSbs
Ban Me!- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev6VW7e14ao&feature=related
The Guilty Blade- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfXjxgZIvow
Green Metamorphosis- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq323BinihA&feature=related
The Worst Nightmare- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bScnV27sE3s
Ok...lets get this started....We all know Lucas worst match ups are G&W, DK, Marth and Meta Knight. They can completely shut Lucas down if played correctly....so what is the Lucas player to do against The Deadly 4?....
...We will find out by discussing each bad match up
I will make this as oragnized as possible.
Below is a list of the Deadly 4, some info about them(from the match up discussion thread), and video(s) of the match up
I will update each character's information as we discuss the pros/cons/etc.
Also, lets try to get the mains of the Deadly 4 to join our discussion
1. 20-80
Pros:Mr. Game & Watch is the best reason for a Lucas mainer to have a secondary. I mean, even with marth you can just counterpick Norfair or Brinstar and be able to take advantage of the geography, but you can't do that with GW. He completely shuts down your projectile game, he outdoes your aerial game, and he beats out your ground game. And he can DThrow to DSmash you with no chance of you escaping. And his recovery is **** near ungimpable (Seriously, I've gimped more Meraknights that I have Mr. Game & Watches) Seriously, good friggin luck.
Cons:
Strategies:
Videos:
What a good G&W looks like- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_bd_6_Nqek&feature=related
What to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um8z0XiBoFY&feature=related
What not to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZbxQx0AI-c
More vids on this match up-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSmiKe3ybJ0 (shows G&W gimping Lucas' PKT recovery with bucket)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2pW-snL6Rs (great comeback by Lucas)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlW0yFNiwto (dont spam up smash when going against G&W....lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYPh0-FwRn8 (shows how G&W's uair could potentially mess up PKT recovery)
Learning Your Enemy[G&W Combo Videos]
No Games...Just Watch- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFj4bPrucbE&feature=related
Judgement Day- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNdyC2jYyXs
Ring Ring Ring- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnmzjWNoQXc&feature=related
Bair Necessities- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyBKHCt-6Ac&feature=related
Hells Bells- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pH3scTaS5c&feature=related
2. 25-75
Pros:DK is a powerhouse. He can kill you at uncomfortably low percents, he has really good range on all of his attack, he doesn't get KOed until uncomfortable high percents, his recovery is alot harder to gimp than it looks like it would be, and he has an unescapable Cargo grab release to DSmash. You have to be on the offensive, because at long range, DK can just avoid your projectiles, and at mid range, DK can FTilt you to heck. No, CQC style combat is needed here, and your jab combo and Nair are your moves of choice, for their speed and their damage building qualities. I would honestly attempt to keep your kill moves fresh, due to DKs immense weight. As for Gimping, PK Thunder doesn't work, since DK's horizontal recovery is so powerul, and Bairing him is diffcult do to range issues. Surprisingly though, PK Freeze is suggested, due to the straight forward nature of DK recovery. All in all, I'd rather fight Marth.
Cons:
Strategies:
Videos:
What a good DK looks like- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fep5iWhCbTQ
What to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9CQN-vwLjQ
What not to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G1gowezJ-g
More vids on this match up-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMLww5yEhY0 (NinjaLink's Lucas had some trouble in this match but still won...Impressive DK!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hTOJZwbzIs (Lucas got 3 stocked in this match)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py7pUHNj26w (Great KO in the end by ZMan!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7SSLe4V_A (Close match...and another win for Lucas)
Learning Your Enemy[DK Combo Videos]
Natural Selection- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVImpxyZfIE
Beware the Beast- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0hp00xKK8g&feature=related
Rumble in the Jungle- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPiJfPrzonY&feature=related
Leader of the Bunch- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdRc26TYjgI&feature=related
Make it Clap- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0c0WXuiaHQ&feature=related
3. 30-70
Pros:Yeah, this matchup sucks. Marth has an answer to everything you got. He outranges and outpowers you at close range, and he can easily get through your long range game. But even so, your long range game still makes an effective brink wall for Marth to geth through. You'll want to play a giant game of keep away, because Marth will pwn you up close. Also remember that your jab combo and your FTilt are your best close range options, and that your smash attacks should only be used as punishments for missed smash attacks. Once Marth gets off the stage, you should immediately go for the gimp via PK Thunder. I mean, marth's recovery sucks, and you should be abusing the hell out of it. Unfortuntely, marth aerial game is powerful enough to go for the gimp against you as well. Seriously, good luck.
Cons:
Strategies:
Videos:
What a good Marth looks like- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JmklgxOfNM
What to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTT1lsYtb64
What not to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAxt0ka6XVU
More vids on this match up-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0ePn7AfDAY (Lucas got owned in this match)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upBCzYBV-iA (Marth got 3 stocked)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJZHm_KSd9M (Death grab in action)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o74IBXOazSM (A win for Marth...he got lucky)
Learning Your Enemy[Marth Combo Videos]
Determination- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9cVTkP4_KQ
Shining Burst- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNWGCP47Jag&feature=related
Discipline- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cbi_U0fUMw
Swift Breaker- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRWJ6CeX2ZM&feature=related
Dancing Blade- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arhRRNiRaEE&feature=related
4. 35-65
Pros:Metaknight is the best character in the game. There's very little doubt about that. He has so many approach options that it's ridiculous. And all of his moves have no lag at all. And he is **** near ungimpable. However, you still have options available to you to combat Metaknight. The important thing is that you have projectiles, something Metaknight lacks.Also, your PK Fire will cancel out his Mach Tornado, so you should be using that liberally in this matchup. Your FSmash is also your best friend here, as it's your fastest KO move in your arsenal. Luckily, you can KO Metaknight at very early percentages, due to his lack of weight. However, if you don't Star KO him, he will make it back. Even so, PK Thunder is an excellent option, if only for racking up damage and removing diminishing returns from your other moves. In the air, your Nair is your best option, due to how fast it is, and how big the hitbox is. Grabbing out of shield is very difficult, due to the slow nature of Lucas' grab, but your jab combo out of shield is very reliable, and is actually just as fast as Metaknight's moves (Hit box starts on frame 2, making it the third fastest jab combo is the game) The secret to this matchup is to make sure you never give Metaknight the chance to start juggling you. Do that, and you'll live.
Cons:
Strategies:
Videos:
What a good MK looks like- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwo39ulIYfQ&feature=related
What to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsUP0PWiuP4&feature=related
What not to do- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8YjYKE2iec&feature=related
More vids on this match up-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiSkhSJrWnw&feature=related (PK Fire works wonders against MK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_URr0z7zqk&feature=related (sudden death win for MK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKlFWAQdOms&feature=channel_page (Lucas owned this Meta Knight)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ9aIkoYOeA&feature=related (both players played well...but MK wins)
Learning Your Enemy[MK Combo Videos]
You can't Kill the Metal...- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzNzaPJKSbs
Ban Me!- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev6VW7e14ao&feature=related
The Guilty Blade- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfXjxgZIvow
Green Metamorphosis- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq323BinihA&feature=related
The Worst Nightmare- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bScnV27sE3s