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We run a 13-stage list here, and while it's not streamed (venue internet) we still upload the matches to my youtube channel.
I'll link you to an 8 minute match on Kongo as soon as it's uploaded. While I think the stage should be legal, the fact that games go to time so easily and it's unpopular is concerning.
What ruleset are you using such that you have 8 minute matches, btw? I'm not sure why people make a big deal about matches going to time on Kongo. It's not like it can be picked more than once in a set, and matches naturally take at least 5 minutes anyways (though that's usually not a problem with 6 minutes, 8 is a bigger leap). Larger blastzones means longer stocks, it's not like everyone camps on that stage by nature. That's just my two cents though
Probably 3 stock 8m, which is IMO better than 2s 5/6m.
I kinda think the difference between 2 stock and 3 stock changes the perspective of kongo's legality. Games will naturally be longer on Kongo jungle but 3 stock pushes it over the edge with it's blast zones being very large. I like to keep in mind that even though time outs are not uncompetitive they're not appealing to see often in a game like smash. I imagine that one stage infamous for timeouts would be banned in the case of three stocks. I'm just playing devils advocate btw.
I honestly think this is a liberal as you can get with a stage list unless you are ballsy enough to add orbital gate, mario curcit, kalos legue, and/or walkoffs.
Way ahead of you.
Perfect, thanks. I wasn't aware those threads existed, which is why I didn't know about that information. Glad to be filled in. This means... complicated things for My Omega formulation. It might not even be worth discussing anymore now that Omega Lylat isn't so different. We'll see how it goes...
Tried to recreate it using Pikachu on Charizard, no dice. Tried on Donkey Kong, who also used to be affected, no dice. Tried on King Dedede and Bowser, also heavies with large hurtboxes, no dice.
I never got it to work on them in the first place, so that's why I didn't bother testing with them.
EVO has it banned due to music licensing issues. No one knows anything more than that due to NDAs.
Some people also worry about the possible runaway tactics and abusing the barrel a bit.
I worry about that, and still allow it until it happens.
How to not be a scrub 101, taught today by kyokoro_pamuyo.
Ehh. I like the stage, but having to back out anytime you get a crap layout, otherwise you may end up with Cave of Life Shenanigans is irritating, and Mom, while trackable, is very powerful
Confirmed. I was getting my hopes up too when I repeatedly was getting spiked by the ceiling rather than phasing through it, but I ended up eventually phasing into my death. As it turns out, the timing of it is really, really strict.
In a word: "APEX". In a more detailed explanation: basically, there was never a problem with Wuhu. It's just that APEX banned it, and then EVO went off the APEX ruleset, and then people started aping them without realizing why, and that led to at least two (Wuhu, PS2), more likely four (Skyloft, KJ64) totally legitimate stages getting banned just about everywhere.
The glitch was the main thing I think. That video from release that happened to show it was a big factor. Then there's the walkoffs/water on some of the transformations but Delfino Plaza is still an accepted stage so that doesn't hold water. (Heh.)
There wasn't a reason before to have 3 starters and there definitely isn't a reason now. There should really be no counterpick stages and all starters, but 3 is especially atrocious.
Do we have to do this AGAIN!?!?!?!?!?!!? EVO REQUESTED MORE STAGES THAN THERE WERE AT APEX AND NINTENDO SAID NO DUE TO MUSIC LICENSING ISSUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eat a Snickers.
Well saying they just copied Apex is STILL not the truth since they didn't just copy Apex, no matter what stages they asked for.
That is true, but even if they didn't just copy Apex, the psychological impact @
Budget Player Cadet_
is talking about still exist.
As far as anyone can tell, yes. I'm operating under the assumption that it has until proven otherwise.
Budget Player Cadet_
and I played some online matches on Kalos Pokemon League, Gamer, and Yoshi's Island. I'm sure he'll have his own piece to say later when he wakes up but here's my impressions.
This may be going really far, but what if a player was Deaf and thus the musical cues couldn't be heard, or if the venue was just plain loud making people able to hear the cues not easily possible? I don't think music "helping" is something worth looking at for trying to legalize Gamer.
I feel that this is a place I should chime in, and mention I can't hear anything out of my left ear. Although my right side is fine and I manage, not hearing things I "should" is an unfortunate reality for me, especially with other distracting sounds going on.
My first reaction after a few matches was, "Why is this banned, again?" I originally thought the dragon-type segment's explosions were considerably faster and more random, but I was wrong. Every single hazard is extremely telegraphed and easy to react to, trivial in scope, or both. If you get hit by something, it's either your fault for not paying attention or your fault for letting your opponent throw you into it. In like 10 matches neither of us could force the other into either Dragon hazard or the Water hazard once. I got hit by Registeel, but only because I didn't know what I was looking at. None of the hazards seem to have noteworthy kill power, except the water stage which is phenomenally telegraphed and does no damage.As far as anyone can tell, yes. I'm operating under the assumption that it has until proven otherwise.
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Kalos Pokemon League: Overall surprisingly manageable given the sheer number of hazards it throws around. The Flood and Dragonmark Chambers are easy to play around regardless of what's going on. The Flame Chamber has the flame pillars offstage that can do ludicrous amounts of damage if they hit you into the stage and you miss the tech since you bounce back for another hit, but they're only there for a second at most. They only hit either of us once out of...I'd guess around 6 or 7 matches. The Ironworks Chamber is the weirdest of the lot since the swords are solid, so it's possible to rack up lots of damage. The metal pool is a double-edged sword -- it lets you survive if you're at high % but it also means it's easy to take a lot of damage since you're not flying far at all. The legendaries didn't appear that often, so I couldn't get a good feel for how much they made a difference. Rayquaza was easy to avoid though, the stage gives ample warning.
I think that the way mom walks around the room kinda kills the match. You're forced to stop the match for a good 30+ seconds while she scans, and if someone has a decent projectile, it can get very unpleasant for their opponent *cough cough luma warp*. Oh, and it kills super early. When talking about hazards, kill %s really is an issue, because a hazard that kills at 30% means a situation where your opponent can force a kill at 30%, and thus super swingy, and in this case, you can't just stay away from the walkoff to avoid the problem. I died to mom at 20%. I don't think this stage would be viable even if it didn't have a hard circle half the time.
Nah, I'm done with that stage. It's probably the most fun anyone will ever have with Little Mac, but it's also kinda... ass. Like... wow. You know how Rosalina gets uair kills for free on Halberd? This stage pays Rosalina 10k a month to get uair kills. I think Ness probably kills Mewtwo off the left-side ledge at like 10%. It's just riddled with problems.
Sad BPC is sad.