I'm sure the general public of America had no idea who Marth and Roy were prior to Melee.
I didn't make a statement specific to America. Marth was more well-known in Japan than Saki is. Roy was from an upcoming game, so obviously he couldn't have been known. But his series was certainly more well-known.
Hmmmmm... yes, I agree to an extent, but the inclusion of a playable character boosts their popularity. If they put Saki in the roster and a New S&P never comes out it will still give birth to many fans who will love him.
Well, I did say that if they're planning another S&P game that would help. I'm not really sure what your point is. Sakurai has said he might like to use the occasion to revive a series. But I'm not sure that a series that got an installment in 2010 is one that would be seen in that way.
His inclusion is not going to make Super Smash Brothers any worse of game.
I never said it would.
I mean, I'd prefer some other characters, so in the sense maybe. You can't really argue that I wouldn't be happier getting my more favorite characters though. Although there's no guarantee that Saki would be "taking" the place of one of my favorites rather than some other character I like less or don't care about.
It seems that you are pointing out that there might be a competition among them for the spot of the "blonde haired boy with the sword" for the next smash. Who gets it? Why the most popular one of course! If Shulk's game is as popular as you say then he is the greatest threat to Saki and Issac. But on the other hand he has not appeared in smash. Now, I did not know of Shulk until I signed up for Smashboards, so maybe I have been living under a rock for the past couple of years. Why can't Shulk, Isaac, and Saki all make it? Why...why not! maybe they all might make it, maybe two of the three, and maybe even none.
I didn't say they were all competing for the same slot. But the fact is that we're not going to see 20 newcomers (if you ask me), so no, not everyone can get in.
Now, those particular three
could all make it. But I do see the addition of similar characters as taking away from their chances. When I talk about competition I'm not necessarily saying they're mutually exclusive cases and I never said they were in this case.
If I were to put Dixie Kong and Saki side by side and ask you "between these two characters who has a better chance of making it into this game?" you would have to say Dixie Kong because you gave her a score of 36.5% compared to Saki's score of 20%. Maybe you still stand by that opinion.
I do stand by it. At least their relative positions. I might give her a lower score if we rated again since I've thought more in depth about her competition, but I'd still rate her as more likely than Saki. As I've thought about it more I probably want to rate most of them lower. And to be honest, the course of this discussion has made me want to rate Saki even lower than I did. But I'm going to stick with 20% for now because I don't wanna keep editing it. And you will note that my score for her is significantly lower than the average (and that's true for most of the characters we've rated).
I see a new Donkey Kong rep as very, very likely. It's a popular series with the fourth highest sales (about 70 million*) that continues to be relevant and has a big title coming up... and only two reps. A significant amount of that score is accounting for the possibility that Dixie gets in instead of K Rool (you can see my reasoning laid out explicitly and mathematically, if you recall). The rest accounts for the possibility that Donkey Kong, given its high sales which put it up there with Legend of Zelda, might get four character slots just like Mario, Zelda and Pokemon did in the last game.
*For reference, it's about
133 Donkey Kong games sold for each copy of a Sin and Punishment game.
Now look, I gave Saki a score of 85%. If Saki got into the ratings earlier in the game that number might not have been completely absurd.
You haven't been paying attention. You don't seem to recall that I was calling people out for high scores from the beginning and pointing out the mathematical limitations of the expected roster size vs. the amount of % you can dish out to all these characters. I still would've said that was too high.