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Plank, when you run a national tournament, you are wrong; MOST people come for the event itself, not ALL.
When I was getting better, I used to pay entry and travel expenses to tournaments far from home, just so I could have that experience, play better players, and get better at the game. However, the "good" players (the players that expect to win money), would NEVER travel to these events if they weren't given that chance, and therefore, no one would go because why would they travel to play a bunch of mediocre players? They could just stay at home and do that there.
If you really want your point to make sense, the answer to the following question would have to be YES:
"Hey Armada, I'm holding a smash-fest in the US and it costs a **** load of money to enter, plus airfare and hotel, but you're not going to win any money from it, just play some US players, do you want to come?"
NO HE WOULDN'T ****ING COME. If you're going to make a post and tell me that people pay money to have you run an event, and they don't anticipate some of that money coming back to them in the form of a prize, you're way more of a moron than I thought.
Why do you think people play money matches? So the other player plays their best. If people were under the assumption that no prizes were going to be paid out, the placings would be completely different. The main reason the bracket even turned out the way it did, was because the good players played to WIN MONEY, and the bad players played to play the good players who were TRYING THEIR BEST.
From a moral stand point I think everyone believes (Even Plank) that he owes money to the people that placed well and traveled from afar.
But from a realistic stand point it's more then likely not going to happen.
Just because we expected a payout and prizes from Plank doesn't really mean that we're going to get it. IF it's not legally bound to a contract then it's all empty promises until they're fulfilled.
I give Plank respect for coming to the community and telling everyone what's going on. If he really didn't care he would have just vanished.
But judgement shall be passed, not by us though. I'm a firm believer in Karma and that everyone will have their moment where they'll pay for what they have done.
Excuse me for my ignorance and naivety, but I was still under the impression that people would obey the RULES of the tournament they are choosing to attend GIVEN THOSE RULES. LISTEN TO YOURSELVES. If you weren't willing to pay the money to stay in a hotel room with 4 people like I stated 200 times, then don't come.
Maybe if smashers took even the smallest bit of accountability EVER it would not have turned out this way. You want every benefit in the world but aren't even willing to play your own small part.
Smashers are KNOWN to procrastinate until the very last minute and my contract was on a sliding scale of money. The more rooms rented the cheaper then venue. I did make an error, but a large part of my error was putting any sort of faith in this community to be mature and responsible. The fact that people are trying to make the argument that cramming into rooms is "accepted" and the "standard" is absolutely ridiculous. With my calculations I would've been able to pay everyone out in full EASILY with even COMPARABLE numbers to *Pound* 4. I could've STILL paid people out with the number of people who DID come if rooms weren't crammed into.
I said hundreds and hundreds of times not to do this in the thread, and due to people cramming and the no-shows which were charged to me (I feel that if people rented the hotel room and didn't cancel it and didn't show up THEY should be charged, however this is not the hotel policy on events and I was forced to cover there rooms) there were not enough rooms rented so the price of the venue was MORE EXPENSIVE. I am the one organizing the event and if you all BLATANTLY ignore what I say and just cram into rooms and this situation comes as a result of it, YOU ALL are each held accountable who participated in this as well (Ally how many people were in your room, for example?) You can't simply disregard hotel policy and the policy of the tournament, acknowledge that you disregarded it, and then ***** that because of this I didn't have the funds to pay out and I should've "expected people to cram into rooms".
Whether breaking the rules is the standard in this community or not, I do not strive for my tournaments to be the standard. When I say things I expect people to follow them, and if not, they receive the consequences.
If a player is not on time they are disqualified. If players would not have crammed into rooms decreasing the number of rooms rented, which was posted 100x more than any sort of information about distribution of the incoming funds BTW, this would have never happened. You all can not hold me to this ridiculous moral standard of putting myself into over $10k of debt because of this situation when you all cannot hold yourselves to the moral standard of honoring the request of the hotel AND of the TO.
So basically, this all boils down to smashers cramming in rooms. Smashers cramming in rooms cost us $10,000? I don't see how. Even still, you can not determine what Smashers do with their hotel rooms. Are they allowed to have more than 4? No, but that's the hotel's problem. Perhaps if you got wind of certain rooms crammed with people then you should have alerted the hotel about it so they could look into the situation and force x amount of them out (so they would be forced to buy another room). You also had no say over which hotel the smashers stayed at. They could have stayed at a different hotel for all they care.
Chibo, your post is simply not accurate. Those were only the funds distributed to the hotel. There were many external factors which change these numbers.
-Some entrants listed did not actually attend - I allowed for registration at the door and so I had extra people listed who did not show up and I never received money for. They just got disqualified.
-Some people were entered with NO venue fee/fees at all due to either helping with the tournament, registering early, etc. I had no money to pay TO's because before I realized I was going to get either further boned, I was trying to save as much money as possible so that I could pay out the winners.
-Some people won entries from other tournaments where the promotional idea was that the winners got free entry/venue to *Pound* 5.
-Refunds for setups
-Money for supplies. Paper, pens, whole punch, wristbands, nametags, labels, etc etc. Everything i need to run the tournament costs money.
-Paid VGbootcamp hotel room for helping with the event, this was agreed on upon us long before any information about prizes had come to light. Also had to pay for the Uhaul for the tvs to be carried back and forth from an hour away and the gas for each way in the uhaul.
-Paypal takes out almost 2% of ALL transactions.
-I know for the fact off of the top of my head multiple people who did not pay their spectator fee. I am too busy throughout the whole weekend to enforce these things and keep tabs on everything throughout the venue, and I know I saw multiple people who did not pay their fees.
-Various other small expenses that go into making a tournament like this happen. Helping pay for people to get rides back to airports when they booked the wrong airport, etc.
Ok so this confirms it indeed that those are all the charges you got from the hotel, good. So not counting any money charged to you outside of the hotel, you should still have about $5,500 leftover.
-Entrants who did not attend: You didn't receive their venue fee then or their entry fee. This subtracts how much you made but it also subtracts how much you owe to the players. This makes it even.
-You say you had no money to pay TOs, but letting the enter for free is giving them money basically lol, just saying. However, this is the exact same situation as above. You didn't receive their venue fee, but you also didn't receive their entry fee. Meaning you owe less to the players (payout wise) and you received less venue fee wise, this balances out.
-I know about the free passes and mentioned this, but this is minuscule really. Though when you are doing free passes, you really should still be reimbursing the pot to make up for the pass, not fair for the winners otherwise. Plus, you didn't do this intelligently. You gave out a few passes locally right? I believe Mew2King won a pass from Tant's tournament. Mew2King was gonna come either way to Pound to win money and would have paid the entry fees. By not giving out your passes strategically you're literally just throwing money away. Either way, you gave out what - like 8 passes? Lets say 12 max. But oh wait... it's the EXACT same situation as the last two. You don't receive their venue fee OR their entry fee. Subtract the amount from both columns and it evens out.
^Note on these 3 points. For the benefit of the doubt lets say venue fee was worth $5 more than the entry fees. So you lost $5 on each person. Lets say 20 no shows from part 1, 10 TO helpers from part 2, and 12 passes given out in part 3. That's 5 x 42 = $210
-Refunds for setups... How many setups did you get that were not yours and VGBC's? You didn't give a discount at Pound 4 for being short on money right? If you knew money was going to be tight why didn't you say before the event sorry to refund for setups, plz community help me out since money is tight. Either way, you probably got what, like 25 setups max from people? 25 x 15 = $375
-Supplies money, so uh... hole puncher? lmao. wristbands? what wristbands? I mean yea, there's a bunch of stuff you need, but it's petty cash, no more than $100.
-You paid for VGBC's hotel room which was a hotel charge. This was on your card and therefor calculated already. If it wasn't somehow, that's what... $350? UHaul is what, $200? idk
-Paypal takes 2% out, it's a miniscule fee that can be covered from my safe estimates before, but I'll continue to give you the extreme benefit of the doubt here, so 2% of 20k = $400
-People who did not pay their spectator fee is your fault, whether or not your busy. It can be tough to track I understand, but this doesn't matter. You didn't lose money on these people, you just didn't gain it. The spectators I counted in my initial calculations were ones listed in the OP prior to the tournament, aka ones that paid online.
I am trying to post all of this so people realize it was a MISTAKE and there were a lot of factors that contributed to this happening. I could've easily just ran away from the entire problem but that is NOT the kind of person I am. I am not legally obligated to do ANYTHING for you all, I was just trying to help everyone UNDERSTAND what happened and seek advice on how to potentially help in the future since I simply do not have the funds nor do i make the funds to pay these off. Instead I get met with immediate lawsuit threats and conspiracy theories that I stole blahblahblah money. So feel free to continue to flame and be immature, rude, horrible people and undermine everything I've tried to do for this community for the past 5 years and see how far that gets you with me.
rofl I read plank's post and he seems to be playing the blame game in the entire thing. bro, you were banking on the whole thing to go perfectly with the hotels, with the attendance, the drop outs, etc. In a community that is known to do the things that happened, why would you risk everything on it? Of course people were going to drop out, and of course people were going to cram into hotels. This is your fault for not planning ahead, not theirs. pretty pathetic that the majority of the post is blaming others when most of it should be pointing out your own flaws.
Sure. He should.
But its likely not going to happen.
How do you expect plank to come up with 9k+?
He doesn't make to enough money from his normal job to come up with that much in any reasonable amount of time. Realistically. It won't happen.
Expected: "Sorry I ****ed up but I didn't run with the money, here's proof."
Got: "No apologies to the winners, here's my rationalization that what I did was justified, **** you haters."
I have been looking at this from a business perspective.
But when you are trying to host a tournament for a bunch of FRIENDS, it becomes tough determining how much to pay for a venue based on how big you think the tournament is going to be.
The only way to know is by the word of people saying they are coming.
I guess this will continuously happen when people say they are going to show up, the venue is paid for, and then they don't. The cost becomes magnified at national tournaments, which is what we are seeing here.
Maybe hosting national tournaments for a community as unreliable as this, is a bad idea, without sponsorship.
I totally see where Plank is coming from, I just think it's unreasonable that he's displacing any blame.
Okay fine, players didn't listen to you say 4 people to a room, but it seems that your expectations were that everyone was going to listen to that rule, and it seems like even in light of how horribly wrong those expectations were, Plank is still standing by them.
The expectations were unreasonable, the behavior was entirely predictable. To close your eyes and hope for the best predictably leads to this exact outcome, so I don't really like the displacement of blame. I thought the first post Plank made was very respectable, and subsequent posts are sort of meh.
Honestly, I'm not sure if they can actually disclose what was on the contract legally to someone randomly calling them.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Voodoo, I don't think you should make it personal... If we go personal, that's when things can blow up and possibly cause the thread to get locked. : [
everyone who knows plank knows that he didn't steal any money at all
he's broke now and can't pay out winners, he's not hiding money.
chibo has the right to ask the question based on his limited knowledge of the p5 financial situation but even if plank never answers i still think it's obvious that he didn't steal, he wouldn't do that
lol, what are you, maybe a year older than me? ive been through this just as much as you seem unwilling to believe. last year my parents lost about 400000 in business loss and about 450000 in real estate equity the year before that. i have been abreast of these issues since i was 12.
again, i don't care if plank is financially ruined if it's his mistake. why should the winners be punished?
There is nothing positive that comes out of me posting except for restarting. I didn't post for two weeks because I was trying to WORK THIS **** OUT with the hotel and get back any sort of money I possibly could before I posted saying the situation. I didn't let people know ahead of time because this was a TERRIBLE DISASTER and I didn't get charged the final bill until the END OF THE TOURNAMENT so how do you expect me to tell you beforehand? Excuse me for my ignorance and naivety, but I was still under the impression that people would obey the RULES of the tournament they are choosing to attend GIVEN THOSE RULES. LISTEN TO YOURSELVES. If you weren't willing to pay the money to stay in a hotel room with 4 people like I stated 200 times, then don't come.
You could've posted before everything was sorted out, at least letting us know there was a problem. Then maybe Armada wouldn't be in such a bad spot. You also said yourself you realized that things weren't going to meet quota, so you tried harder to get more people to come. This can't be done after the tournament is over. Please explain this discrepancy.
Maybe if smashers took even the smallest bit of accountability EVER it would not have turned out this way. You want every benefit in the world but aren't even willing to play your own small part.
Smashers are KNOWN to procrastinate until the very last minute and my contract was on a sliding scale of money. The more rooms rented the cheaper then venue. I did make an error, but a large part of my error was putting any sort of faith in this community to be mature and responsible. The fact that people are trying to make the argument that cramming into rooms is "accepted" and the "standard" is absolutely ridiculous. With my calculations I would've been able to pay everyone out in full EASILY with even COMPARABLE numbers to *Pound* 4. I could've STILL paid people out with the number of people who DID come if rooms weren't crammed into.
Agreed. Why on Earth would you sign a monetary contract relying on Smashers to act that way is beyond me. I've already stated that I also condemn Smashers who crammed into rooms have stolen from the hotel, and this hurt you, but I cannot understand what went through your mind when you signed that contract. Please be sure to name any TOs you confided this decision in, so I can make sure to question their judgment as well.
I said hundreds and hundreds of times not to do this in the thread, and due to people cramming and the no-shows which were charged to me (I feel that if people rented the hotel room and didn't cancel it and didn't show up THEY should be charged, however this is not the hotel policy on events and I was forced to cover there rooms) there were not enough rooms rented so the price of the venue was MORE EXPENSIVE. I am the one organizing the event and if you all BLATANTLY ignore what I say and just cram into rooms and this situation comes as a result of it, YOU ALL are each held accountable who participated in this as well (Ally how many people were in your room, for example?) You can't simply disregard hotel policy and the policy of the tournament, acknowledge that you disregarded it, and then ***** that because of this I didn't have the funds to pay out and I should've "expected people to cram into rooms".
Agreed again. Once again, I've backed you on this point that the community is not faultless. Also, you being forced to pay hotel rooms that people booked and did not cancel is ABSURD. Again, you should not have signed into that contract. Those people CERTAINLY should have been accountable for their own actions. On this, I greatly sympathize with you.
Whether breaking the rules is the standard in this community or not, I do not strive for my tournaments to be the standard. When I say things I expect people to follow them, and if not, they receive the consequences.
That does not mean stealing the pot is the right way to go about this.
If a player is not on time they are disqualified. If players would not have crammed into rooms decreasing the number of rooms rented, which was posted 100x more than any sort of information about distribution of the incoming funds BTW, this would have never happened. You all can not hold me to this ridiculous moral standard of putting myself into over $10k of debt because of this situation when you all cannot hold yourselves to the moral standard of honoring the request of the hotel AND of the TO.
Eh, yes I can, because I didn't steal from you. I'm not going to pretend like I'm a better man than you. Maybe a bit smarter, or at least a bit less risky. But that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore your wrongdoing. The fact is, you DID put yourself in that debt. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT SIGNED THE CONTRACTS.
Chibo, your post is simply not accurate. Those were only the funds distributed to the hotel. There were many external factors which change these numbers.
I wholeheartedly believe this, and do not think you wanted to pocket the money.
-Some entrants listed did not actually attend - I allowed for registration at the door and so I had extra people listed who did not show up and I never received money for. They just got disqualified.
And I hope we all take this as a note that we need to be more strict in these categories.
-Some people were entered with NO venue fee/fees at all due to either helping with the tournament, registering early, etc. I had no money to pay TO's because before I realized I was going to get either further boned, I was trying to save as much money as possible so that I could pay out the winners.
-Some people won entries from other tournaments where the promotional idea was that the winners got free entry/venue to *Pound* 5.
-Refunds for setups
-Money for supplies. Paper, pens, whole punch, wristbands, nametags, labels, etc etc. Everything i need to run the tournament costs money.
-Paid VGbootcamp hotel room for helping with the event, this was agreed on upon us long before any information about prizes had come to light. Also had to pay for the Uhaul for the tvs to be carried back and forth from an hour away and the gas for each way in the uhaul.
-Paypal takes out almost 2% of ALL transactions.
-I know for the fact off of the top of my head multiple people who did not pay their spectator fee. I am too busy throughout the whole weekend to enforce these things and keep tabs on everything throughout the venue, and I know I saw multiple people who did not pay their fees.
-Various other small expenses that go into making a tournament like this happen. Helping pay for people to get rides back to airports when they booked the wrong airport, etc.
Had I have known ahead of time the attendance and that people were still going to cram into rooms, I may have made my investments differently. Coming from a community with little to no integrity as a whole, I am totally blown that you are attempting to challenge my integrity. I came at this situation apologizing in a totally mature way and what do I get in return? After 5 years of being with this community and serving them I get lynched on a cross, harrassed via social networks and on here, and overall just treated like total ****. By reading through this thread it is quite obvious that certain people do not even read my entire posts and/or are way too blinded by their ignorance as a whole.
This is just foolishness. It was rather obvious to almost absolutely everyone what was going down in the hotel. The same thing that ALWAYS goes down. You blinded yourself to what was going happen, because it wasn't what you wanted. I agree that the community was not correct in doing this. However, I have no intention of ratting out my friends to the hotel, LOL. If the Smash Community is going to steal from hotels, so be it. Why you would sign into a contract with a hotel knowing that we do this, I have no idea. That baffles me beyond everything I can comprehend.
As for your apologizing, people such as UltimateRazer, who barely posted AT ALL, have informed us that it was impossible to get in touch with you.
Also everything M2K says basically is a total lie, as usual, but I figure that's common knowledge by now. I'm not sure if you really believe this stuff in your head sometimes M2K, but your ability to fabricate an entire story around a situation is.....phenomenal.
Uh, to my knowledge, you did DQ M2k and JMan out of losers for JMan's lateness. Did WarriorKnight receive this same treatment? Also, we could just ask Doll and his partner if they offered to forfeit. They could easily just "forfeit" by not showing up to the station. M2k should've advanced by default in that instance, since he was high seed.
However, that's completely unrelated to the topic, and I shouldn't have bothered going into it. I don't think you're a bad person, despite some very foolish actions.
I post when I have time to read everything and make an accurate post responding to the people who I feel I need to respond to/people who even have somewhat valid points. The majority of you are ridiculous children who are just spamming the boards with impossible requests and not even reading the things I say and actually considering them, so you aren't even worth addressing.
HEY DJ ROME, remember when at Pound 4 I bought like 10-15 gamecubes off of you and btw half of those gamecubes never even worked, and did you hear a peep from me? I didn't say **** or try to get money from you because i figured you got screwed and didn't know they were broken and were just trying to help. I wish now I would've never given you that money for broken gamecubes since you are the most ignorant childish poster BY FAR of everyone in this thread, and I am 100% with everyone insulting your intelligence because it is quite obviously lacking.
I understand that I made a mistake, and whether that mistake was overstepping my bounds and trying to make something TOO great or whether it was relying on people who are, apparently, the most unrealiable people in existence it destroys me inside that I have to hurt ANYBODY in this community. That is NEVER what I wanted to have happen, but I'm glad I get to see the true faces of everybody by their reactions on the situation. I would have gladly tried to help raise the funds with tournaments or something rather than this being my last event ever, but at this point with all the threats and how negatively my entire reputation I've built over the years is now perceived, that is hardly even possible.
I believe that you had good intentions, but your mistakes were more than just this. Defer to my previous posts if you want them outlined. Also, the Smash Community is typically reliable for many things, but what you asked was outside the normal range of things I would rely on.
I've lost my patience with you jackals, I hope that you are truly happy.... I don't know why any of you who are reacting so harshly to me would ever expect that this would be an acceptable way to go about getting the money to the prizewinners. Stop being drama llamas and get out of the thread if you aren't involved or if you're going to continue to bring your retardedly errant moral opinion on the matter when there wasn't even a chance for me to make a moral decision, the funds were gone before they could have ever been used for prizes. My card had been ran days before the tournament, and they took out the amount they did, leaving me with nothing.
If you had just said the bolded part initially, I'm quite sure than very few, if any people would've spoken against you, and you'd have a lot more sympathizers. This simply fortifies my point that you handled the situation poorly. There is a big difference from what you said before (something along the lines of "I payed the hotel with the prize money, and I don't owe it to you/it wasn't yours to begin with) and what you said just now, "The hotel took the money out of my account and left me penniless. Very different scenarios.
I am trying to post all of this so people realize it was a MISTAKE and there were a lot of factors that contributed to this happening. I could've easily just ran away from the entire problem but that is NOT the kind of person I am. I am not legally obligated to do ANYTHING for you all, I was just trying to help everyone UNDERSTAND what happened and seek advice on how to potentially help in the future since I simply do not have the funds nor do i make the funds to pay these off. Instead I get met with immediate lawsuit threats and conspiracy theories that I stole blahblahblah money. So feel free to continue to flame and be immature, rude, horrible people and undermine everything I've tried to do for this community for the past 5 years and see how far that gets you with me.
Well, I for one have not once flamed you. Your responses are FINALLY adequate, as far as I'm concerned, but you're singing a different tune now, and far later than we initially expected to hear it. I understand you were just trying to make things right, but by keeping us all in the dark, you made things worse.
I now see things from your perspective, so try to see things from ours.
Pound V ends. We're told prizes are coming later
A week passes, no word, but no real worries
Another week passes
Finally, word that you spent the prize money on the hotel. Then you disappear again
Explosion ensues
Finally another statement this time defending you against conspiracy accusations. This was good, because honestly if this were some other shady TO, you'd probably be thinking the same thing. Now it's your turn not to pull a Holier than Thou act. Mind you, I believe you.
FINALLY after such a wait, you explain that the hotel pulled the money, so you didn't have a chance.
If you would've been upfront with everyone in the first place, the chances of this disaster being averted would've been much higher, and we would've helped you.
The idea that some people here care more about money than a friend potentially going to PRISON is making me sick. No, things didn't work out well for various reasons, but give the guy a break. He's done all he can.
PS: Am I the only one who feels a little embarrassed that a large part of the problem was putting faith in our community?
everyone who knows plank knows that he didn't steal any money at all
he's broke now and can't pay out winners, he's not hiding money.
chibo has the right to ask the question based on his limited knowledge of the p5 financial situation but even if plank never answers i still think it's obvious that he didn't steal, he wouldn't do that
I didn't think he stole anything (for his own, I don't mean for the hotel debts) from the very start, just thought he handled the situation absolutely terribly. However doing all the math and seeing almost $4,000 missing, it raises questions. I'm taking every number and fact thrown at me from Plank. After I determined 5500 missing not counting misc expenses, I would think Plank would want to clear up everything to show this he is truly not just taking money (since some ppl have claimed that), and so he gave me the information on the other expenses. However they added up to like $1700, not 5500.
Even if there is still more I don't know, is it really almost $4,000? There's no way it is.
You're clearly young and impassioned with a strong sense of justice, and I was a lot like you when I was younger. But you're not being grounded in reality. The only thing plank could do is pay off the winners and file bankruptcy to avoid the hotel contract which would have defrauded the hotel and landed plank in prison.
Again PRISON!
The only thing plank can do now is pay the winners and file bankruptcy.
Do you even know what it's like to go through bankruptcy, my father went through it, which is why I understand what plank is going through. He made a bad decision and has to live with the consequences.
Again, this is the real world. You're an inflammatory and immature child and while you're entitled to your own opinions and I respect that, you're not being rational. There is no money.
You're talking about a fair number of people being inconvenienced vs. plank being financial ruined. You're actually asking plank to ruin his life because you're salty.
I don't know who said you could call yourself a man, but they lied. And yes, I have now made this personal since you can't seem to listen to reason.
You're dangerous, and I don't want you influencing the decisions of people I care about. This issue is between those who are entitled to money and plank, their justice is not yours.
My mother had to file bankruptcy when my father dipped which is why I think it's outrageous for anyone to be wishing it upon someone who not two weeks ago we were praising for hosting such a wonderful event.
@Chibo,
if you were his accountant and had access to all his bank records from the day the tournament was announced to present day I could justify you making such claims. But you are not, you're an outside observer with a calculator and an assumption.
@rome,
The winners are not being punished, they are just not being rewarded.
The idea that some people here care more about money than a friend potentially going to PRISON is making me sick. No, things didn't work out well for various reasons, but give the guy a break. He's done all he can.
This.
Basically my entire logic for standing up for him till this point. Thats why I'm really disgusted by the a lot of people over the last couple of days.
Sure there are a couple of other reasons though. But thats mostly it.
keep in mind im not saying his course of action should be to pay the winners first. he should be repaying people back slowly is what i recommend
of course he can do whatever he wants, but that is what i believe. i don't wish him to be bankrupt but had he picked that course, i would find that unfortunate but commend him regardless
lol, what are you, maybe a year older than me? ive been through this just as much as you seem unwilling to believe. last year my parents lost about 400000 in business loss and about 450000 in real estate equity the year before that. i have been abreast of these issues since i was 12.
again, i don't care if plank is financially ruined if it's his mistake. why should the winners be punished?
everyone who knows plank knows that he didn't steal any money at all
he's broke now and can't pay out winners, he's not hiding money.
chibo has the right to ask the question based on his limited knowledge of the p5 financial situation but even if plank never answers i still think it's obvious that he didn't steal, he wouldn't do that
@Chibo,
if you were his accountant and had access to all his bank records from the day the tournament was announced to present day I could justify you making such claims. But you are not, you're an outside observer with a calculator and an assumption.
I'm not an accountant, but I've dealt with large amounts of money like this running tournaments, I've been there. I know what costs what, I know good decisions from bad decisions, and I know how to have a good attention to detail. Do I (we) know EVERYTHING? no, we don't know every little detail, however plank continues to give us a lot of information, and it just doesn't add up.
I'm not even insinuating that he stole money, I have never said that once. I'm just trying to shed as much light on the situation as possible and justify everything so the players can know where the money went, which we still aren't aware of, since there is still money "missing"
I didn't think he stole anything (for his own, I don't mean for the hotel debts) from the very start, just thought he handled the situation absolutely terribly.
And yeah I just re-read the M2K/Jman p4 thing lol, that was so ****ed up. M2K is definitely not lying about that, that was some whack ****, seemed like he had it out for my dude.
LOLOLOLOL Huge laugh cuz I just read the last 5 pages (20 ppp).
I'm pretty sure that Laijin and 3 are the most realistic people here. Everyone's expecting Plank to pay out. This would be morally right but he's not legally bound to pay anyone but himself.
If you're religious in anyway then the only thing we as people can do is leave the judgement up to the higher power. Otherwise there really is no point in arguing about what should happen rather then what is going to happen.
Also to the person that said that 3 and Laijin are pro Plank.. lmaoooooo
and there was another post stating a while back stating that Plank needs to plan better. Well no ****. But what I believe is that he knew what he was doing when he took this deal thinking that everyone would benefit. But rather then cancel the event all together (Which would save him some of the debt) he went with it and dragged everyone involved down with him hoping in the end it would pay off.
TL;DR: When the numbers weren't adding up and the tourney wasn't as popular as he'd hoped, he should have dropped the whole idea then instead of making the debt greater and a lot of people hate him.
Laijin definitely isn't pro plank. 3 feels bad for him. lmao
Plank's allowed to do whatever he wants with the money due to no legal bonding.
Edit: Reading Plank's post now. I will scratch out the words I may eat in a few.
If this were a couple of years ago when I still some what idolized you as a smash player and a person, looked at you as an inspiration, a technical genius, and a driven individual this might affect me more.
But as it stands now you're just a naive immature mooch that's been surviving off the good nature of this community for long past his due.
ty for the sig though.
@chibo
when you post in big bold letters 'plank where is the missing 4grand' you know exactly how that's going to be perceived. If you're honestly interested in every expense of the tournament then you need to get in contact with him personally, putting him on blast in a thread where the majority of people are more than ready to believe he pocketed he cash and is in fact a terrible person isn't the appropriate way of going about easing your curiosity.
If you haven't run a large scale tournament then you can't begin to factor in every cost that goes into running it. And tbh nobody has run a tournament with this much money being put into the cost of running it (for good reason).
I would like for plank to lay out on paper where every dollar was allocated as far as running the tournament goes, but I don't think anyone is accusing him of stealing money any more so what's the point of crying out about a supposed unaccounted for 4thousand dollars when it's very clear to everyone that he didn't pocket the money.
You keep saying that you don't think he stole it, so then what more could it be than your curiosity?
And even if this all checks out and plank did indeed spend all the entry fees somewhere, that means it cost him $20,000 more or less to hold the event. I would hope Plank is smart enough (especially this being his 4th national tournament) to not host an event that costs 20g's. It's not fiscally appropriate or responsible.
The first CoT5 venue I looked at (I mentioned before) said $10k. I laughed and looked elsewhere. Just like Plank did for Pound 4. I'm sure that venue was WAY cheaper, even if it was a tad more inconvenient, it was worth it.
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