Miiverse Daily Pic Thread: 2nd Edition (Updated 9/19)

[Deleted member]

You better not.

 

[RedCap-BlueSpikes]

Yes, Samus does indeed have this outfit in her own games. What's important is that she would never go into combat wearing it. She's typically portrayed as a practical and deadly lady, hence this outfit's use is a bit out of place in context the the metroid universe. Some characters are known for fighting in non-practical fanservicy costumes (take Bayonetta) not Samus though.

Practicality and logic have never been a deciding factor of whether or not a character, costume, stage, or item has gone into one of these games. I mean, this is a series where a 13 year old kid can pick up a 400 pound gorilla toss him at 3000+ mph with his MIND.

It's fine if you have a problem with this, but you can't expect Smash to pay that much attention to detail.

Honestly though, in my opinion, this is so tame I don't even find it remotely sexy and I don't see why anyone else would either.

 

[Bauske]

I don't know why people are getting upset by this. Honestly, for Zero Suit Samus to have an alt costume, there really aren't many other options that are canon.

And that's the thing right there. Anyone who's upset by this and is calling it fanservice obviously hasn't played a Metroid game, or played a Metroid game and bear it in under a specific time. Samus has always shed her suit for something more comfortable in nearly every Metroid game. This is merely acknowledging that fact.

 

[APC99]

Also, this isn't the villain-themed week we had hoped for.

But. C'm'on. Who cares now? We've got shorts. cccccccccccccc:

Are you kidding me?

Those boots with those jet heels? That's a crime.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly though, in my opinion, this is so tame I don't even find it remotely sexy and I don't see why anyone else would either.

As I said a few posts up:
"It's just that Samus is that much of a Memetic Sex Goddess that anything that shows skin's going to be taken seriously."

 

[PK_Wonder]

You better not.

Come again?

At the very least it also tells us alt. costumes for vets are possible.
I'm not implying Dr. Mario or anything.
Not at aaaaaall.

It confirms an opening to quite the doorway; Mr. L, Dry Bowser, Alph or Louie, what else?

 

[Flaxr XIII]

Come on guys, I doubt a massive stage like Brinstar Depths would work well on the smaller 3DS screens. Hopefully we'll at least get that stage's music though. I love Brinstar Depths's theme.

 

[Deleted member]

Come again?

He better not.

Would you like me to repeat that?

 

[PLATINUM7]

Love how a stage managed to sneak in there.

Uh, that costume is a neat reference to Metroid: Zero Mission.

I wonder just how many people will notice the stage. Or notice it without being told.

 

[Kuraudo]

I personally don't like it.

Yes, Samus does indeed have this outfit in her own games. What's important is that she would never go into combat wearing it. She's typically portrayed as a practical and deadly lady, hence this outfit's use is a bit out of place in the context of the metroid universe. Some characters are known for fighting in non-practical fanservicy costumes (take Bayonetta) not Samus though.

That being said, I have no issue with the idea if all the other characters also get a silly joke costume. Hopefully that's what's gonna happen :D

So just pretend that there may be some times that Samus might get ambushed by someone/something when she isn't on a mission or fighting, and she busts out the boots and kicks some ass since she doesn't have the Power Suit.

I can totally see it.

 

[Giygacoal]

I don't know why people are getting upset by this. Honestly, for Zero Suit Samus to have an alt costume, there really aren't many other options that are canon.

And that's the thing right there. Anyone who's upset by this and is calling it fanservice obviously hasn't played a Metroid game, or played a Metroid game and bear it in under a specific time. Samus has always shed her suit for something more comfortable in nearly every Metroid game. This is merely acknowledging that fact.

It's because people who hardly know Nintendo think Halo always keeps his armor on and this one is completely out of character.

 

[JamietheAuraUser]

The only other thing could've been her army-like attire from other M, but that's not nearly as recognizable as the "Justin Bailey"

I would actually really like to see an alt of that outfit. I think it would be kind of cool.

Plus it would anger just about everyone else ever.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I like how Sakurai made sure to put in it was thanks to the determination of her female designer.

I don't really see the issue. For one thing it originated in another game so they didn't just randomly go "Hey guys let's stick Samus in a bikini!" and for another thing Zero Suit Samus is already the most sexualized character in the game, it's kinda her thing. (if you haven't already realised that about her you're not very perceptive)

I do think we need some fanservice for the girls now though. Half naked Ike Sakurai, chop chop.

Put Wario in a bikini, objectify everyone!

 

[Nat Perry]

I'm hoping the Wii U version gets some Melee stages...Hyrule Temple please?

 

[PK_Wonder]

He better not.

Would you like me to repeat that?

I just had/have no idea who/what you were referring to is all. It doesn't pertain to me, so no worries.

 

[Deleted member]

I do think we need some fanservice for the girls now though. Speedo Captain Falcon Sakurai, chop chop.

Fixed

 

[Tikivoy]

The chaos the internet is displaying over this is expected...but I don't care. My most wanted alt costume is in!

 

[JamietheAuraUser]

I like how Sakurai made sure to put in it was thanks to the determination of her female designer.

I don't really see the issue. For one thing it originated in another game so they didn't just randomly go "Hey guys let's stick Samus in a bikini!" and for another thing Zero Suit Samus is already the most sexualized character in the game, it's kinda her thing. (if you haven't already realised that about her you're not very perceptive)

I do think we need some fanservice for the girls now though. Half naked Ike Sakurai, chop chop.

Put Wario in a bikini, objectify everyone!

Actually, it seems to me like Palutena is the most deliberately fanservicey character in the game.

I think Captain Falcon got hit with the fanservice ray in this game...

 

[Giygacoal]

Well according to the waifu thread, Palutena is likely Sakurai's waifu.

 

[PK_Wonder]

Apparently there are two very different definitions of "fanservice," I have learned tonight. I had never heard it used in anything but a positive light meaning that the developers went all out to include awesome references for the fans.

 

[Ignoth]

I also encourage everyone to take today's reveal calmly, and don't turn things into a heated debate about Samus being oversexualized..

Indeed, it doesn't need to be a heated debate. I do hope discussion will still happen though.

I get the impression sometimes, that when I mention anything even remotely related to sexism, people automatically picture me as some raging hysterical video-game hater. My opinion becomes a threatening inflammatory thing that fans must defend from. Trust me, that's not the case :D

... anyways, like I've said already, my main grudge against this is that Samus entering battle in shorts is kind of out of character. Samus is a smart and practical lady, she lounges around in her bikini AFTER a mission, not during. Samus is not historically known for fighting in impractically fanservicy outfits. In fact, she typically fights in a decidedly non-sexual looking power suit. Her Zero-Suit, while fanservicy, is still practical. AKA she's too "cool" for this impractical-fanservice-while-fighting stuff.

Hence-why I'm not a fan of this development. Again though, if this means other characters will also get silly joke costumes, then I'm totally fine with it. BRING ON THE SILLY OUTFITS!!!111oneone1

 

[Giygacoal]

Apparently there are two very different definitions of "fanservice," I have learned tonight. I had never heard it used in anything but a positive light meaning that the developers went all out to include awesome references for the fans.

Yeah, the best way to avoid trouble is just to establish the context ASAP when mentioning the term.

 

[Every1XplodeNOW]

Actually, it seems to me like Palutena is the most deliberately fanservicey character in the game.

I think Captain Falcon got hit with the fanservice ray in this game...

You think?
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And no one complained about that, funny...

 

[leprechaunlink727]

The only thing that disturbs me about this picture is how these alts call even more attention to the weird ways her body contorts that look unnatural and creepy. Look at how weird her stomach looks when she crouches down and bends backwards. It's like she doesn't have ribs. Maybe it's the Chozo genes, or maybe it just looks bad because it's a still image in the middle of an animation, but it's hitting the uncanny valley hard for me. It's one thing when female characters do weird, anatomically impossible positions in comic books, but seeing it on a 3D model that's animated really really dials it to 11 on that euggggh factor for me. They really could have done a better job making the animations look like a human being. It's something that's been bothering me about her new model in general.

I mean what in the hell is going on in this picture? It looks like her organs got sucked out:

I don't know what they were going for, but it's not attractive. I really do like the costumes though! But I can't be the only one who's noticed this. To people who have actually played the game, does she look better in motion?

 

[Giygacoal]

The only thing that disturbs me about this picture is how these alts call even more attention to the weird ways her body contorts that look unnatural and creepy. Look at how weird her stomach looks when she crouches down and bends backwards. It's like she doesn't have ribs. Maybe it's the Chozo genes, or maybe it just looks bad because it's a still image in the middle of an animation, but it's hitting the uncanny valley hard for me. It's one thing when characters do weird, anatomically impossible positions in comic books, but seeing it on a 3D model that's animated really really dials it to 11 on that euggggh factor for me. They really could have done a better job making the animations look like a human being. It's something that's been bothering me about her new model in general.

I mean what in the hell is going on in this picture? It looks like her organs got sucked out:

I don't know what they were going for, but it's not attractive. I really like the costumes though!

Agreed, the animation nut in me is bothered by this. At least the model is nice.

 

[JamietheAuraUser]

You think?

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And no one complained about that, funny...

Actually, I did complain about that. Just never bothered to do so on these forums. But yeah, I hate Falcon's design in the new game. For one thing: His facial expressions are weird and ape-ish, and make him look unintelligent. For another, his muscles are more than a little overdone. And my biggest complaint: That crotch emphasis.

 

[leprechaunlink727]

You think?

Spoiler

And no one complained about that, funny...

HOLY **** HE HAS A REAL BULGE THIS TIME? WHY WOULD I COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT? THAT'S GREAT!

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

They should just add the rest of the samus ending suits

I especially want Justin Baily Samus

 

[PK_Wonder]

The only thing that disturbs me about this picture is how these alts call even more attention to the weird ways her body contorts that look unnatural and creepy. Look at how weird her stomach looks when she crouches down and bends backwards. It's like she doesn't have ribs...

This is most definitely a direct reference to the actual Metroid series, and not a poor design choice. If you accept the fact that she can contort into a Morph Ball, this should be very tolerable.

 

[HohnTTD]

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The only thing that disturbs me about this picture is how these alts call even more attention to the weird ways her body contorts that look unnatural and creepy. Look at how weird her stomach looks when she crouches down and bends backwards. It's like she doesn't have ribs. Maybe it's the Chozo genes, or maybe it just looks bad because it's a still image in the middle of an animation, but it's hitting the uncanny valley hard for me. It's one thing when female characters do weird, anatomically impossible positions in comic books, but seeing it on a 3D model that's animated really really dials it to 11 on that euggggh factor for me. They really could have done a better job making the animations look like a human being. It's something that's been bothering me about her new model in general.

I mean what in the hell is going on in this picture? It looks like her organs got sucked out:

Spoiler

I don't know what they were going for, but it's not attractive. I really do like the costumes though! But I can't be the only one who's noticed this. To people who have actually played the game, does she look better in motion?

Smash is incredibly fast paced, so her animations and anatomy need to be exaggerated in order for her motions to be conveyed. For example, you'll notice that Mario's fists grow incredibly large when he punches, so the player can see what's going on. Everybody's anatomy breaks during their animations, I think people just notice it more on Samus in still shots because her anatomy is more humanoid and her motions are more acrobatic than most fighters.

 

[FalKoopa]

The topic can't get weirder, can it?

Can't say I was expecting this outfit of all things, but I suppose it fits well into his quote "Sometimes Smash Bros confuses me about what I'm actually creating."

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I don't think Little Mac would ever fight in the ring wearing his pink tracksuit or that Mario would ever go save the princess in his golfing clothes.

I think you're missing the point of alternate costumes, they're not necessarily "fighting gear"...... more like " iconic gear". If they happen to also be fighting gear well that would be a bonus.

 

[leprechaunlink727]

This is most definitely a direct reference to the actual Metroid series, and not a poor design choice. If you accept the fact that she can contort into a Morph Ball, this should be very tolerable.

I don't know... I guess you can justify it that way seeing as she's part Chozo or whatever, but the point is that it doesn't look good at all. If it was a deliberate choice, it was a bad one. But you may actually be right, seeing as none of the other female models seem to have this problem.

 

[Davidius]

Glad they're adding much more in the alt costume department.

 

[HohnTTD]

I don't know... I guess you can justify it that way seeing as she's part Chozo or whatever, but the point is that it doesn't look good at all. If it was a deliberate choice, it was a bad one. But you may actually be right, seeing as none of the other female models seem to have this problem.

That's because most of the other female fighters are wearing dresses that hide their bodies and they don't usually do crazy flips in the air. And you'll notice in other screenshots that Sheik and Wii Fit Trainer occasionally look "broken" too.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Samus contorts in the same way as a girl in a Frank Miller comic

 

[IsmaR]

And I wonder what Ismar thinks about this.

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Figures that this is what I get tagged for, not the (dis)confirmation of any of characters I support.

I can't quite put it into mere words. Nor can I describe jut how hard I fangirl'd the second I saw this (on Miiverse/offsite) without derailing the thread/infracting myself. Suffice to say, this update makes me giddy on numerous levels.

As a Metroid fan, I can't be anything but grateful/glad they'd acknowledge the outfits for whatever reason. End game/"good ending Samus" was one of my dreams for this game, not just because it made sense, but because I did indeed like/want the idea that suitless Samus has been around much longer than just since the Zero Suit popularized it. It was a reward getting to see those screens for myself, and though I can't say they'll be my alts of choice (I'll probably cycle through them all), it gives me a great sense of joy seeing them acknowledged here in Smash.

As a feminist who abhors the oversexualization debates (as in, I actually love the heels), much less dealing with them in my native ZSS boards, I find this to be absolutely hilarious/delicious considering the female developer was the one who went out of her way to finish these in time. I won't knock anybody's personal stance on the matter (well besides infractions for people who get too carried away), as I know to each their own, but so long as Samus still kicks ass, I could care less if she appeals to the lowest common denominator (i.e. dudebros that everyone INSISTS are the reason the devs are "ruining" her character). And in fact, I like playing as someone with more options when it comes to outfits. And seeing her pretty, nogirly.

Lastly, I'm excited as a Smash fan simply because of what this update means. Sakurai himself thought it'd be nigh impossible to get these finished in time for launch, which does indeed go to show his team has just as much, if not more dedication to making these the best games they could be. Just thinking of what else they could do if they put their minds to it makes me almost want to stop being such a pessimist. Almost. And of course the return of one of my favorite stages is always a plus.

Anyway, I'm gonna go put out the fires. As @--- said, any off topic and overly heated posts will get reprimanded to the harshest extent.

 

[leprechaunlink727]

That's because most of the other female fighters are wearing dresses that hide their bodies and they don't usually do crazy flips in the air. And you'll notice in other screenshots that Sheik and Wii Fit Trainer occasionally look "broken" too.

Not nearly to the extent that Zamus does though. I actually just checked their pictures on the Smash site to compare. I think most of Wii Fit Trainer's animations look great, especially considering their flexible nature. Zamus looks broken in nearly every picture we've seen. If I've noticed this kind of stuff on anybody else, it would actually be Little Mac and his weird arms...

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I think this is different from Mario's fists expanding. There's a hitbox on Mario and Diddy Kong's big fists that needs to be emphasized. There's no hitbox on ZSS's apparent lack of ribcage. I think you're giving them too much credit. I think these are animation errors, plain and simple. It would not be the first time that happened in Smash...

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Are people now talking about how this picture is inappropriate or sexist or something?

Because I've seen girls wearing more inappropriate stuff walking around Walmart

 

[Ignoth]

I don't think Little Mac would ever fight in the ring wearing his pink tracksuit or that Mario would ever go save the princess in his golfing clothes.

I think you're missing the point of alternate costumes, they're not necessarily "fighting gear"...... more like " iconic gear". If they happen to also be fighting gear well that would be a bonus.

That's a solid point, but I'll still say this.

Those two examples are within much more light-hearted, silly universes. It's much easier to suspend disbelief in those contexts. Metroid, on the other hand, is relatively more rooted in realism and serious story telling. Therein comes the issue in which that Samus' implied choice of entering battle in shorts is kinda out of character. Watching her fight in that is almost comical if you ask me ^.^

Drawing up a parallel with a different franchise is difficult, Metroid is quite unique as far as Nintendo franchises go.