One phase was too long, this slot cannot be tolerated any longer. His play Day 1 was damning, but his play this phase should remove ALL DOUBT.
This slot has 180'd reads wherever it has been convenient. Has made a claim that no Townie has any business making, and after playing this mafia game with Leviathan, I have seen more ****-slinging than a career zookeeper. Now, let's hit the quotes. Keep in mind that literally ALL of the points we brought up yesterday still hold water, but this analysis will be for the NEW things he has shown us this dayphase.
First, let's look at his roleclaim.
Greetings, I'm Zelda, Town Friendly Neighbor. I can target a player and reveal myself aligned with the Town. I targeted Murderbush last Night but was given a message saying that I failed.
Murderbush, reveal any facets of your role that would cause this in your next post or I am assuming that I was roleblocked.
I can use my power again. I think there is a good chance that some Townie Roleblocker targeted me due to the suspicion of my slot. I will use my power every Night Phase until it goes through. I am claiming this so Town can stop wasting time with my slot.
If you need an in-depth analysis, please see FF's post. But the highlight here is that it DOES NOT help a Townie. It does nothing but to highlight him as a roleblock target, and possibly preserve his slot for one more dayphase. His role DOES NOT CONFIRM anything if he can claim roleblocked or if the scumteam has any sort of messaging role, as I am pretty sure Monster Mafia included.
This claim only serves to out information about Town PRs. Scum knows if THEY have a roleblocker, and if we confirm/deny the question he asks at us, scum learns more about Town's PRs. I will not be responding to his question directed at us, and would encourage a Town roleblocker not to claim if they targeted him, if he is going to be lynched. It will not save him. His claim does nothing to salvage his play. Again, if you want more, see FF's post on the subject.
Next is my favorite part. Growing up, both of the players in this slot REALLY LOVED Tony Hawk's Pro Skater. It's a really enjoyable timesink. And with all the 180's that Leviathan has pulled this phase, he must be racking up one hell of a combo.
Let's look at where his reads currently stand. The following two posts sum them up very well:
Scumteam
1. Bunzy
2. BarDulL / Arcane Inferno [one between them]
3. This one is harder. I would say one between Gova and Werekill if I had to guess now.
The first two are more certain. With Protean- dead, we are 50% on our way to having loud and terrible suspicions not gain enough traction to the noose. Bunzy gets lynched this Day phase, no questions asked.
Vote: Bunzy
1. Potassium [replacing Alakaslam] - Null.
2. #HBC | Leviathan -
3. #HBC | Amidamaru - Town. He's trying to scumhunt, his thought processes while often sloppy don't come off as malicious.
4. #HBC | BarDulL - Scum. He's another face in the crowd and his early clash with Arcane struck me as TvS. I have seen nothing original from him nor have I seen any drive in pursuing potential scum. Yesterday he said something along the lines of, "I think J is likelier to be scum, but I am fine with Leviathan as well" and he left his vote on me. That was extremely grimy, as it absolves him of any responsibility of the mislynch. Will pull quote if it'll get others to take a closer look at him.
5. #HBC | Bunzy - Scum. Surprise! I like his BarDulL vote, but I think he could be bussing in that direction.
6. #HBC | Protean - Town. I'm glad they're dead.
7. JeXs - Town. Nothing has changed from my earlier Town read; a natural progression in his approach to the game that is consistent with being uncoordinated.
8. Gova - Null. He seems interested in Protean-'s scumread of Murderbush which is unique. I want to see where he goes with this and what else he does; I really wish he got into it with someone because this can go both ways and I won't know until I see him in conflict.
10. Murderbush - Nullscum. I go back and forth with this slot. I hate how he wanted to lynch J yesterday. I hate how he wanted to lynch me yesterday. I hate how he wanted to vig JeXs. I hate how he townread both Arcane and BarDulL. His directions are consistently bad, and I fully expect him to charge into this thread and continue being wrong about my own slot. Protean-'s scumread of him has part of me willing to join a Murderbush lynch because he might be better at reading him than I am and I generally am fine with honoring a confirmed innocent's wish. Right now, I would not lynch him before BarDulL and Bunzy, but he's in the back of my mind.
11. Arcane Inferno - Town. I am enjoying his continued push on BarDulL. His exchange with me toDay has me seeing that the gears in his mind are turning as he tries to get a bead on me.
12. Werekill - Null. I remember townreading him earlier, but I don't even remember why. Not a priority right now by any means and I'm confident I can wrangle something here if I reread and/or as time progresses.
Should be lynched: Bunzy, BarDulL
I'll respond to Arcane's latest post another time.
There you have it. I have problems with some of these reads, which I will get into in our next section, but for now, there are three to examine.
First, let's talk about his read on Arcane Inferno. He has held Arcane Inferno at arm's length for the entirety of the phase, claiming a TvS scenario vs. Bardull, as seen above. Note those two posts come with less than a full day between each other. Now, note that the REASON he cited for reading FF as Town is the post where FF claimed that Levi's reason for claiming was bull****.
Compare that to this post, also from Day 2:
2.] Arcane's D1: nothingness, nothingness, BarDulL push, nothingness, bad J push, bad Leviathan push, nothingness, bad J push over the edge. If he is Town, I do think that he is onto something with BarDulL because their interactions scream of TvS to me. If BarDulL is Town, that has Arcane swinging 0-for-3 when 2 of those were pretty obviously Town. I don't believe he is that bad. If BarDulL flips scum, that means Arcane was bringing a lot of heat onto the slot unnecessarily as scumbuddies to the point where I doubt it was staged. It all hinges on BarDulL.
"
It all hinges on Bardull".
Look. His read he claims to all hinge on Bardull has COMPLETELY FLIPPED. Sure, he'll claim that it's still SvT, but he's suddenly way more confident, and Bardull hasn't done A THING to change that. Look at what the gamechanger was. We re-iterate that the gamechanger was FF calling his claim bull****.
Now look at the
reason that Arcane Inferno could be scum, in his previously stated SvT read.
"(
Bad push on Leviathan)".
This is what earned him his place on Leviathan's scum radar. He (Frozenflame) is maintaining those so-called bad pushes, by stating that a move (that Leviathan continues to defend as the correct decision), is not Town-motivated. All FF has done is persist in the actions that Leviathan has claimed are scummy. Yet Leviathan's read
changed, without further input from Bardull.
This is not kosher. This is a read changed for convenience's sake in order to appease a slot that he wants off of his back.
And this is not the ONLY change born out of convenience. Look at his read on US. For clarity's sake, we will henceforth refer to Murderbush in the third person.
10. Murderbush - Nullscum. I go back and forth with this slot. I hate how he wanted to lynch J yesterday. I hate how he wanted to lynch me yesterday. I hate how he wanted to vig JeXs. I hate how he townread both Arcane and BarDulL. His directions are consistently bad, and I fully expect him to charge into this thread and continue being wrong about my own slot. Protean-'s scumread of him has part of me willing to join a Murderbush lynch because he might be better at reading him than I am and I generally am fine with honoring a confirmed innocent's wish. Right now, I would not lynch him before BarDulL and Bunzy, but he's in the back of my mind.
This is where Murderbush stands on his reads list currently.
Now, let's look at a post earlier in Day 2, once more keeping in mind just how little time has passed, and how little Murderbush has posted. Take a look at this post from earlier in Day 2:
That doesn't make any sense. I never said Murderbush tried to manipulate me; I said he was trying to manipulate you (and succeeded. You never mentioned the Machiavellian thing before he did. Your his pet.) before. I have a Town read on him and I've said as much.
This DOES NOT COMPUTE. What impetus was there for this change? What Murderbush stance caused him to re-think his Townread? Nothing. The answer is that there is nothing.
The Murderbush slot had come under heat from the @
Protean- ghost, @
Gova, and Zen (who later recanted it), among others.
This change of read is ANOTHER change of convenience. He's seen an opportunity to potentially off a vocal Town slot, and has shifted his readlist accordingly. But that's not all.
Look back to his current read on Murderbush.
10. Murderbush - Nullscum. I go back and forth with this slot. I hate how he wanted to lynch J yesterday. I hate how he wanted to lynch me yesterday. I hate how he wanted to vig JeXs. I hate how he townread both Arcane and BarDulL. His directions are consistently bad, and I fully expect him to charge into this thread and continue being wrong about my own slot. Protean-'s scumread of him has part of me willing to join a Murderbush lynch because he might be better at reading him than I am and I generally am fine with honoring a confirmed innocent's wish. Right now, I would not lynch him before BarDulL and Bunzy, but he's in the back of my mind.
First, regarding the red: Where was this hesitancy, where was this waffling when he posted his Town read on Murderbush earlier? It did not exist. Because if you look at the quote, it was convenient to tell off Ran by having a Murderbush Town-read.
Now it is convenient to have a Murderbush scum-read, so he has changed his stance accordingly.
Next, regarding the yellow, we have some of the scummiest business I've seen in a LONG time.
Here, he is absolving himself of ALL responsibility for a Murderbush lynch. Hell, he's absolving himself of responsibility for even being involved with Murderbush PRESSURE. A slot as headstrong as Leviathan who brazenly calls players "useless, bad, and a detriment to Town" does not simply 'honor a dead man's wish'.
Protean's vote was convenient, and he is trying to take FULL advantage of it.
Finally, we have another stance change. I want to bring your attention to the fact that Leviathan's vote is currently on BARDULL. Where was it before this?
Scumteam
1. Bunzy
2. BarDulL / Arcane Inferno [one between them]
3. This one is harder. I would say one between Gova and Werekill if I had to guess now.
The first two are more certain. With Protean- dead, we are 50% on our way to having loud and terrible suspicions not gain enough traction to the noose. Bunzy gets lynched this Day phase, no questions asked.
Vote: Bunzy
That just proves my point.
It's irrelevant to finding scum though. I'm not interested in spamming up the thread. Please vote Bunzy if you're interested in lynching scum today.
Bunzy is scum with a contrived scum read on me born of convenience. He needs to get lynched. Stop letting him get away with this obviously scummy play.
...read, please? I'm pretty sick of people cherrypicking my points and reasons for their convenience.
The reason Bunzy wanted to lynch someone who could confirm his role is because he's scum. You are all over the place and it seems you enjoy flinging mud everywhere. I would like to see what your reads are after Amidamaru answers your question.
And that's not even TOUCHING his Day 1 play.
And what does he do after Dabuz posts his case on Bardull?
Vote: BarDulL
One of the scummiest slots in the game and deserves to get lynched without question.
Arcane Inferno is almost assuredly Town from his latest response, I think he's getting too caught up in trying to wrap his mind around my claim and having difficulty seeing past it.
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#HBC | Amidamaru
Your reads are bad. You have no idea what you're doing. You're the worst Town slot in this game and are contributing to throwing it. You might as well be another member of the scumteam. In my next post, I am going to go into great detail why your latest posts are horrendous and if I fail in showing you the light (which is likely with how hopeless you have been this game) then I promise you that I will at least succeed in getting Town to ignore your opinion. I'm letting you know this ahead of time.
Today we lynch BarDulL, Bunzy, or Murderbush. More details regarding this and my updated reads in my next post.
Here he is JOINING A WAGON with the player he has been trying to lynch for more than half of the game, while still holding him as a SCUM READ.
Once again, I assert that this stance change is one born of convenience. He changes wagons because a Bardull is more well-supported, and therefore more likely to bring pressure away from his slot. Especially with regard to Arcane Inferno, who Leviathan has been pandering to, as we highlighted earlier.
This concludes our MAJOR problems with the slot. We'll wrap it up with a few more problems we have with his reads list, namely his lack of commitment, further setting himself up for convenient stance changes later on.
1. Potassium [replacing Alakaslam] - Null.
Kantrip has done enough for him to have SOMETHING on this slot. The lack of ANY elaboration leaves him WIDE open to taking whatever direction he needs.
8. Gova - Null. He seems interested in Protean-'s scumread of Murderbush which is unique. I want to see where he goes with this and what else he does; I really wish he got into it with someone because this can go both ways and I won't know until I see him in conflict.
That read is HARDLY unique, considering Zen and Protean himself had already expressed similar sentiment. Despite how interested he is in Gova's choice and considering his Day 1 completely irrelevant, Leviathan leaves this slot as a pure null, with the same freedom to mold the read at his convenience, similar to the read on the Potassium slot.
12. Werekill - Null. I remember townreading him earlier, but I don't even remember why. Not a priority right now by any means and I'm confident I can wrangle something here if I reread and/or as time progresses.
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Oh BABY, I forgot THIS one. Here's one MORE 180. Leviathan had Werekill as a Town read Day 1 and now that other players are expressing suspicion of the Werekill slot, conveniently cannot remember why. Instead, he puts Werekill in that same null pile, with the same aforementioned freedom to change the read.
TL;DR
Leviathan's claim should in NO WAY merit any bonus time for the slot and on TOP of his play from Day 1, he CHANGES his reads to whatever is convenient and leaves future reads open to the same treatment.
The slot is scum, and needs to die.
Arcane Inferno , this will answer your question you had about ryker and washedlaundry
)? and secondly, i actually do have a lot of unique content, so it worries me that people are glossing over my play and saying i'm a sheep (i mean sheep are cute and cuddly and i'd love to be one but i'm a cat mreow :3). so yea, i've got my own head to work with and i don't need to sheep anyone.
