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You aren't just supposed to mash Up. Smash is more complex than that. Also, if you miss a tech on a combo, there IS A WAY TO GET OUT OF THINGS. However, I haven't told anyone this because this stage is my counterpick and it's not my fault people don't familiarize themselves with the game they're playing before they enter tournaments. No, people break the stage all the time in a couple hits. All GAW needs to do is Dair the stage twice and it's broken. The stage is also used to recharge moves, not just stale them. The stage takes 20 seconds to respawn, not "less than 10". I have NEVER seen a match on Luigi's Mansion go to time.I feel like the stage has a lot of parallels to sky world in the sense that the ceilings are dumb and allow "combos" that are incredibly hard to get out of by mashing up on the c-stick, b, or some other ridiculously easy thing to rack up damage. Also, the "you can break the stage" excuse is kind of moot in 1v1 play, seeing as you have to stale your moves and put yourself at risk to destroy it, and even if you do, the stage respawns in less than 10 seconds after the last piece is gone. Also, the huge problem with stalling is involved. Basically, I see zero reason to have it being allowed in doubles play, but absolutely no reason to allow it in 1v1.
While no one is really calling for the banning of it, no one likes it. There's no one who would really be against banning it and to prove it, I can take a vote and show that most people really don't care for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiwscPOYv3M&fmt=18I have NEVER seen a match on Luigi's Mansion go to time.
rofl but this discussion being had and the posting of the rules informs them of it not being on making it completely fair as they have prior knowledge that the stage isn't on. THEREFORE they should not plan on the stage being their counter as it is banned at this tournament. It's not like they were just like hey Mansion isn't on a day before the tournament. All I can say is it's a T.O's choice especially on stage list as it was with the melee circuits before and if the Circuit organizers dislike it take it up with the tournament organizer in a different fashion than clogging up this thread or just say "hey this isn't gonna be a circuit event if you don't put it on." IF they feel that strongly.If the other regions wanted different rules, they could have voted. In fact, they did, and most of them voted *not* to ban Luigi's, otherwise it wouldn't be in the "Counter" list.
There *is* a standard rule set. That's what the SBR ruleset is supposed to be. That's why it exists. Individual TO's aren't prohibited from deviating from it, but in the interest of consistency it's usually a good idea to stick to it, especially for an extended thing like a circuit event. By banning the stage, you'd be inhibiting those players who plan on using it to accrue some points-- who may or may not have had the same idea at previous events where it *was* allowed. It's like changing the rules partway through the game. The players who utilized the "broken" rule before have already profited from it. Dropping it midgame isn't exactly fair.
Two circuit events have already gone by with Luigi's Mansion on. This means that players with foresight were already rewarded for seeing the value of the stage. Removing it now wouldn't change that. It'd only punish those who've learned the value of the stage in hindsight. Everyone got stomped for two events, and now they don't even have the opportunity of giving guys like Kel-- who have the sense to pick a good stage when it's available-- a taste of their own medicine.rofl but this discussion being had and the posting of the rules informs them of it not being on making it completely fair as they have prior knowledge that the stage isn't on. THEREFORE they should not plan on the stage being their counter as it is banned at this tournament. It's not like they were just like hey Mansion isn't on a day before the tournament.
You know, I would, but I'm not a Circuit organizer. Hence I voice my opinions here. I'd also rather see a more civil solution than taking away circuit status entirely. I'm sure Kel feels the same.All I can say is it's a T.O's choice especially on stage list as it was with the melee circuits before and if the Circuit organizers dislike it take it up with the tournament organizer in a different fashion than clogging up this thread or just say "hey this isn't gonna be a circuit event if you don't put it on." IF they feel that strongly.
Well, all I can say top that is a big whoop dee doo, it's one stage not like 12, there are other stages to choose from. If they planned so heavily on using the mansion that sucks a big one for them but, it shouldn't hinder anyone so much that it has to be put back on. It's one stage, everyone should have more than one counterpick anyway. If they learned of it in hindsight, that sucks, but the fact remains until there is a set circuit rule list and it's put into effect it is completely and entirely up to a TO what they want to put on as stages.Two circuit events have already gone by with Luigi's Mansion on. This means that players with foresight were already rewarded for seeing the value of the stage. Removing it now wouldn't change that. It'd only punish those who've learned the value of the stage in hindsight. Everyone got stomped for two events, and now they don't even have the opportunity of giving guys like Kel-- who have the sense to pick a good stage when it's available-- a taste of their own medicine.
No, it doesn't. There was a clear cut winner in that match. Also, the timer was only on 7 minutes. And that isn't our region.
Think of regions in smash as having their own flavor. Just like regions have different accents and cooking in America, the same is true for different playstyles in smash bros. One of the Midwest's strong points is the fact that we play a plethora of stages. Who cares if CA and FL only play on FD? That only hinders their overall game. DSF bad mouthed our stages because he was frustrated about having to think differently about the game. He wouldn't have cared if he trampled over everyone. You know what he said right after Sliq and I beat him and Rofa? "IT DOESN'T MATTER! YOU AREN'T GOING TO WIN THE TOURNAMENT ANYWAY!" He then ripped out his controller and went to pout while playing lvl 1 cpus. He was a sore loser and needed someway to console himself to make himself feel better for losing. DSF is a great player, but when he has to think differently about the game he gets anxious and frustrated. Of course he wasn't happy about having to encounter things in the game that he normally doesn't. If you're really that adamant about "gay stages", then it shouldn't matter anyway if you win the starter and then you win your counterpick. Especially if that "gay stage" has nothing wrong with it and is good for a multitude of characters. And don't even get me started on Texas.I don't know what the "smash norm" is. The only place that seems to be coming even close to defending the SBR's rule set is the Midwest. EVERY west coast and Florida tournament has VERY limited stage selection and I wouldn't be surprised if the East Coast and Texas were the same. Texas even banned ICs chan grabs.
The point being, there is no standard rule set for this game, and that being said, any TO should be able to ban whatever they want. I would understand if you all said "but we've been using the same rule set for all the circuit events, so don't change them now" but I know for a fact that the rules for EACH TOURNAMENT have been drastically different from one another, especially in stage lists. Therefore, it shouldn't matter of this TO deems a stage or two unnecessary.
rofl, this was the MW strat in melee as well and I mean if i remember correctly we got ***** by EC, WC, and South in tournaments. I still believe we should follow suit with the other regions there is no point to having all the stages on if they wouldn't be on at other region's tournaments.No, it doesn't. There was a clear cut winner in that match. Also, the timer was only on 7 minutes. And that isn't our region.
Think of regions in smash as having their own flavor. Just like regions have different accents and cooking in America, the same is true for different playstyles in smash bros. One of the Midwest's strong points is the fact that we play a plethora of stages. Who cares if CA and FL only play on FD? That only hinders their overall game. DSF bad mouthed our stages because he was frustrated about having to think differently about the game. He wouldn't have cared if he trampled over everyone. You know what he said right after Sliq and I beat him and Rofa? "IT DOESN'T MATTER! YOU AREN'T GOING TO WIN THE TOURNAMENT ANYWAY!" He then ripped out his control and went to pout while playing lvl 1 cpus. He was a sore loser and needed someway to console himself to make himself feel better. DSF is a great player in his region, but when he has to think differently about the game he gets anxious and frustrated. If you're really that adamant about "gay stages", then it shouldn't matter anyway if you win the starter and then you win your counterpick. Especially if that "gay stage" has nothing wrong with it and is good for a multitude of characters. And don't even get me started on Texas.
And I told you last night that I ultimately don't care how you guys decide to do the stages. One of the benefits of the circuit is to see how different rule sets affect outcomes and to see what works best for everyone. So, really, I don't like the fact that you're trying to ban a stage for no good reason, but I would NEVER jump in and tell you how to run your tournament. However, this is LAINS tournament and he STILL NEEDS TO TALK TO ME ABOUT HIS TOURNAMENT AND HOW IT FALLS IN THE CIRCUIT.
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Yeah, go Midwest, the people who get beat in smash and instead of practicing on what's important, increase the number of levels allowed in tournaments.Think of regions in smash as having their own flavor. Just like regions have different accents and cooking in America, the same is true for different playstyles in smash bros. One of the Midwest's strong points is the fact that we play a plethora of stages.
Yeah, it isn't the whole "we have to drive 4 1/2 hours for a tournament once a month while EC and WC complain about driving one". Yeah, can't be it.Yeah, go Midwest, the people who get beat in smash and instead of practicing on what's important, increase the number of levels allowed in tournaments.
All the johns you wanna throw out isn't going to make the MW any better. You seclude and limit yourself if you practice stages that the rest of the country isn't going to allow anyways. Apparently, midwest tournament hosts don't mind contining to be the laughingstock when it comes to stages.Yeah, it isn't the whole "we have to drive 4 1/2 hours for a tournament once a month while EC and WC complain about driving one". Yeah, can't be it.
Good idea.Lain, would it be too much to ask to put up a attendees list on your OP?
This is like the 5th time I've told you, but the Midwest isn't over represented in the SBR at all.Also, it would be a good idea to see exactly how many people from each region are actually in the SBR, because I think the SBR is dominated by the midwest and the east coast (just from looking at purple names/mods) which makes me think that their "flavors" are getting over represented. If this is an SBR stage list issue, then I feel like we have the right to question what actually happened there instead of just blindly following what some people with different colored names say.
Yeah, honestly I heard about the circuit kind of last minute myself, and by the time I even knew what it was, thax and everyone was already heading out to the first event. Next time though, I'll be able to contribute a little better.Vayseth, I did ask for input and recommendations for the circuit. The problem was that no one that currently plays Brawl had also played in the Melee circuits. I'm always open up to suggestions and creative thinking. Please suggest something if you feel the need to do so. I also didn't want to start the circuit until September or October, but I got an overwhelming response that everyone wanted it to be in the Summer. That's why everything is pretty much play-by-ear. It worked for the first Melee circuit the same way. I wouldn't mind organizing a circuit again, but I really want set tournament dates the next time.
But I still think that the rules should differ at least a little bit from TO to TO.
lol, alright "Doctor X"All I really have to say that I haven't already is that Zjiin's a scrub.