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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread

Coastward

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k, been ****ing around solo with ganon i finally realized how good pivot bair is. gonna experiment with actual people soon.

also, what do you guys think about this:

40% dair > single hit nair > whatever follow up you can get VS 40% dair > another dair > techchase?

single hit nair can even be followed up with another dair if the DI allows it. only really executable if theres no tech on the dair.
 

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k, been ****ing around solo with ganon i finally realized how good pivot bair is. gonna experiment with actual people soon.

also, what do you guys think about this:

40% dair > single hit nair > whatever follow up you can get VS 40% dair > another dair > techchase?

single hit nair can even be followed up with another dair if the DI allows it. only really executable if theres no tech on the dair.
http://gfycat.com/IllfatedLavishGavial Oh really? This Nair seemed like it would allow any aerials on platforms. Even with your agreeable nods lmaooo. Those kinds of combos = how to kill Ganon instantly.
 
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LMAOOOOOOO, i got bodieddddd.

thats a good example though, im gonna start doing that more.
Ya it works best with heavy/fast fallers for platform setups mainly. 40-50% damage about. Going for the juggle is a bit riskier but at least you always have the mix up to reverse it or not so it is a DI guess regardless.

Also I've fallen in love with gfycat.. Im going to use it a lot more to show cool stuff. =P
 
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Please excuse my retardedness.

Why the **** did I think playing Link was a good idea. I really question my rationality of my choices.

I still want to use Doc as a co-main for certain matchups. I like him a lot plus he's way more viable than ****ing Link lmao

Here's the matchups I would play as Doc:

  • Fox
  • Sheik
  • Puff
  • Falcon
Here's the matchups I would play as Ganon:
  • Falco
  • Marth
  • Peach
  • Ice Climbers
 

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Yes, I am going to work more on the techchasing thread. And yes, I will use your data, and yes, I am thankful that you gathered that data. Now main Ganon.

I've been really busy lately. In the past few days I put together one of these:

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/philadelphiausace/6715440783/
(That's actually me driving too... didn't expect to see that when I google'd it)

...and took it back apart with a crane operator after I had an aluminum welder cut and re-weld one of the legs that got built incorrectly. A bunch of other sh*t too. It's time consuming and I'm tired AF every day after work. Call me King John II if you want lol, but seriously I want to get to it, and I will when I have time sometime soon. Remember all I have is my phone.

BTW the welder was from Louisiana, what a character. Nonstop jokes.

"Lil Johnny, today we are going over adverbs. Your word is incompletely. Can you use it in a sentence?" Lil johnny said "yes ma'am. When my balls touch her a$$, I'm incompletely" lmao.
 

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BTW Locke if we lived close to each other I'd school you on so much sh*t and how to practice everything. I can make someone essentially just as good as me in very little time. I wish I had more ppl to play with tbh.
 

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BTW Locke if we lived close to each other I'd school you on so much sh*t and how to practice everything. I can make someone essentially just as good as me in very little time. I wish I had more ppl to play with tbh.
Dude that'd be amazing. Will there be a time where you come by Charlotte? I feel like you go to Charlotte airport a lot to travel or something. Maybe drop by and hang with Brandon Jones lol. That guy never leaves his place since he moved to Charlotte, but he's always down to play for fun.
 

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That was just once locke. I'm still in norfolk headed for savannah tomorrow. Most likely. Anyone is welcome to come smash with me on a weekend when I don't have a female over. And I'll help with travel costs. I just can't ever plan anything. We'll be in touch bro. We'll work something out eventually.
 

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That was just once locke. I'm still in norfolk headed for savannah tomorrow. Most likely. Anyone is welcome to come smash with me on a weekend when I don't have a female over. And I'll help with travel costs. I just can't ever plan anything. We'll be in touch bro. We'll work something out eventually.
Hell yeah man. November is looking like a pretty good month for Melee. You do have to let me know next time you're at a tourney or something dude. Last time I saw ya was CEO. Even your brother wants to attend the same tournaments as I haha.
 

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Oh and I have no desire to post my guides, Tipman/Magus posts, linguini advice, kage posts, renth's guides, Ian's advice, etc. ANY WHERE BUT HERE. If you want to know about Ganon come to the G boards (my mentality). I actually want to personally archive this entire thread at some point. There is SO much good sh*t on this thread and I don't trust the people who run crashboards as far as I can throw them... well, not even that far LOL. They'll probably delete it and ban me. Who was it, gimmppyf*sh (so he can't namesearch) that deleted the ultimate Ganondorf thread? Idk but that sh*t was beyond bogus. So much good sh*t lost. But yeah we'll figure something out. I'll consolidate this sh*t like it's a thesis one day.
 

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i think someone *COUGH* me *COUGH* is probably just gonna compile everything thats been found into one and just put it up there.

g board is the best board.
 
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Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir

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There needs to be a Ganon thread highlights for the last 400 pages of this thread.
i think someone *COUGH* me *COUGH* is probably just gonna compile everything thats been found into one and just put it up there.

g board is the best board.
Umm, I think if we're making a posts highlights thread I have the best credentials

(except I'm way to lazy to go through 400 pages of posts, someone else do it)
 

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Another one from the welder from Louisiana..... I had to endure 10 of these so you guys get another one. Lol.

I was walking down the road one day, and happened to see Mrs. Singleton on her porch with 3 young men I hadn't seen before. I decided to walk up and say, "why hello Mrs. Singleton, how are you? Are these your nephews?" And she said "Oh no baby, them my lovers" and I said "lovers? as in plural?" She said "Yes... do you have a problem with that?" I said oh no Mrs. Singleton. What are their names?" And she replied "Oh, them my Leroy's." And I said, "You mean Leroy, right?" She replies "No, they all named Leroy" and I had to ask, "Well, how do you tell them apart?"

And she said "I name 'em after soda pop" and I said "Soda pop?? Ok Mrs Singleton, what's HIS name?" And she said "Oh that's Leroy Dr. Pepper." "Why Mrs Singleton, because he drinks a lot of Dr Pepper?" She said, "Oh no, that's his name cause he goes to work like a doctor and he's hot like a pepper!" I said wheeew, I see! Well what's HIS name? "Oh, that's Leroy Mountain Dew" and I said Mrs Singleton, "I know it's not because he drinks a lot of mountain dew, why do you call him that?" And she said, "Cause baby when he mounts me, he know what to do" and I said ok Mrs Singleton, what about the last one? What's his name? And she said "Oh that's Leroy Jack Daniels"

Mrs Singleton, "That ain't no soda pop, Jack Daniels is a hard liquor" and she said "Wheeew!!, thats my Leroy!!"
 

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"provide a brief, one-line description of your guide."

so something to basically get people to click on it.

im gonna plug the **** outta this board.
 

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Damn. Your guess is as good as mine. There's no way I could describe all the sh*t that's been dropped on these boards.

My favorite could still be path of the gerudo king lol. You got this.
 
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Dave, try waybackmachine.org- some idiot can delete a thread from smashboards, but the content should forever remain on the internet.

There's a good chance they might have archived it at some point.

As for the tagline... I say either simply, "how to wreck ******* with ganon," or "stomp em in the nuts."
 
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Linguini was a goddamn monster vs spacies.

I see matches like him vs kels and think to myself "ok, he does x to counter x, baits this out, etc... Cool, I'll just do that **** against kels next time we play!" Aaaaand three stock... What is your ****ing secret linguini???

I don't even want to know how bad colbol would **** on me.
 

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hmm
Please excuse my retardedness.

Why the **** did I think playing Link was a good idea. I really question my rationality of my choices.

I still want to use Doc as a co-main for certain matchups. I like him a lot plus he's way more viable than ****ing Link lmao

Here's the matchups I would play as Doc:

  • Fox
  • Sheik
  • Puff
  • Falcon
Here's the matchups I would play as Ganon:
  • Falco
  • Marth
  • Peach
  • Ice Climbers
why do you wanna use Ganon against Falco? I have a local Falco who is the level above me, and he can easily four stock me. I don't see many solutions to how to play vs. Falco with Ganon. I find Fox a lot easier, but he is still hard as hell lol.

My plan atm is Peach/Ganon Main. Tight know it is looking kinda like this:

Peach:
Sheik, Falcon, Falco

Ganon:
IC, Marth, Puff, Samus, Pikachu, Dr. Mario, Mario, Luigi.

Both:
Peach, Fox, Ganon

Sheik, Falcon and Falco are the hardest mu's for me atm, so I wanna try them with Peach. IC, Marth and Puff I find easy on my level with Ganon, and the last three it depends on their playstyle. Against offesive Ganons I prefer Ganon ditto, and against deffensive Ganons I prefer Peach. Fox and Peach are sometimes easier with ganon and sometimes with peach.
 
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I like your split, GanonMaster. But I'd def put falcon in the ganon category. I honestly don't believe that ganon vs falcon is as bad as everyone says it is... people just don't up air enough lol. Falcon, puff and Marth are pretty much ganons only matchups where he has out of shield options.

While the study drugs are keeping me awake, does anyone else feel like kage has really strange matchup strats? Kage, every time I watch you play, I consistently say to myself "that was unsafe... wait what that worked? How did that not get punished?"

After watching linguini, I can always pinpoint why he got punished or why what he did worked. With you, I just can't predict what you're going to do next or what you're going for, but it almost always works in your favor.

You say that you have a very reaction-based play style, but I see a **** ton of hard reads and crazy spacing tricks. It's very impressive.
 
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I like your split, GanonMaster. But I'd def put falcon in the ganon category. I honestly don't believe that ganon vs falcon is as bad as everyone says it is... people just don't up air enough lol. Falcon, puff and Marth are pretty much ganons only matchups where he has out of shield options.

While the study drugs are keeping me awake, does anyone else feel like kage has really strange matchup strats? Kage, every time I watch you play, I consistently say to myself "that was unsafe... wait what that worked? How did that not get punished?"

After watching linguini, I can always pinpoint why he got punished or why what he did worked. With you, I just can't predict what you're going to do next or what you're going for, but it almost always works in your favor.

You say that you have a very reaction-based play style, but I see a **** ton of hard reads and crazy spacing tricks. It's very impressive.
Could you give me specific examples?

Also, I don't feel like you guys need an alt yet.. get to the top level first as a player then you can think about counter picking players.

If matchups are already frustrating at mid level... then putting on a bandaid for your style isn't the best option.
 
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Well Kage, I think mastery of two characters is necessary in todays meta. I've been thinking a lot about it: "should I try to figure out the Sheik mu, or should I learn two characters?" I ended up thinking to myself that I should uses two cause eventually you have too.

inb4 this is a terrible reason, but 4/6 gods (Yes, I consider Leffen a God, ifnot, 4/5) have several good characters. My goal atm is not best in the world, but I think it is beneficial to learn two characters.

you call a secondary a bandaid for your style, but a secondary won't make me stop improving ganon, I just see Peach as a better choice against some characters and then I see no reason not to go her.

Also, Falcon mu I find terribly hard. one grab = death or many percents, and Ganon must be played so deffensivly perfect if Falcon is not going to grab you :p
 

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Ganon can play the neutral game somewhat vs falcon though. You have to learn to pressure him so you get just as many openings as he does.
 

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Well Kage, I think mastery of two characters is necessary in todays meta. I've been thinking a lot about it: "should I try to figure out the Sheik mu, or should I learn two characters?" I ended up thinking to myself that I should uses two cause eventually you have too.

inb4 this is a terrible reason, but 4/6 gods (Yes, I consider Leffen a God, ifnot, 4/5) have several good characters. My goal atm is not best in the world, but I think it is beneficial to learn two characters.

you call a secondary a bandaid for your style, but a secondary won't make me stop improving ganon, I just see Peach as a better choice against some characters and then I see no reason not to go her.

Also, Falcon mu I find terribly hard. one grab = death or many percents, and Ganon must be played so deffensivly perfect if Falcon is not going to grab you :p
That usually means your defenses no matter who you would play isnt good enough to handle all characters. That means even if you pick an easier secondary you will still be easily comboed into death. It's not hard for Falcon to style on Peach and Ganon.

And ya I did say it on twitter long time ago that the year 2014 is the year of dual mains however those that already play spacies have no need for that. I dont even think Marth needs one except maybe vs Sheik specifically.

I mean you could spend your time learning 2 characters however.. it's going to take hell of a long time before having proper mastery with 2 rather than choosing 1 and sticking with it. Then you just might have mental blocks saying "I lost because matchups.. etc." You can always increase your skills even at top level.. theres so much to learn still. Just mastering DI is ridiculous lol.. there's so much you can do.

When I really think about it, I'm hardly a master of the game, there's sooooo much little things.
 
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Speaking of gods... pretty sure only Leffen, hbox, and PP (linguini was 1 fair away from beating PP) have never dropped a tourney/pools set to a Ganon. Every mountain can be climbed regardless of size.
 

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Speaking of gods... pretty sure only Leffen, hbox, and PP (linguini was 1 fair away from beating PP) have never dropped a tourney/pools set to a Ganon. Every mountain can be climbed regardless of size.
M2k lost to a Ganon before? Maybe when he was scrub? lol. Armada? Bam/Vwins never lost to Ganon either.
 
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Whatisfear took a pools set off AR once, and you beat m2k LOL. Of course he's harder now (LMAO) and would just pick sheik. Or did you beat his marth in a MM and not tournament? I know there are others, I was just talking about the sinister 6.
 

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Whatisfear took a pools set off AR once, and you beat m2k LOL. Of course he's harder now (LMAO) and would just pick sheik. Or did you beat his marth in a MM and not tournament? I know there are others, I was just talking about the sinister 6.
Oh ya it was M2k's Marth in a MM not his Sheik.. =(
 
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