Official DLC Character Discussion Thread - Read the new sticky/announcement

[MainJPW]

I had never heard that before. That's an interesting and surprising fact.

He was to be replaced by Lucas but Mother 3 was cancelled at the time.

 

[Aetheri]

Some people seem to think I'm saying that it is likely that NPCS will be promoted for DLC. That was not my intention. I wanted to say, essentially, their chances are not zero. Do not automatically discount them. Some characters have zero chance, like Goku, Shrek, and Shaq. But I don't think they're in that same category.

We, as a community, come up with a lot of rules about what can and can't happen in Smash, trying to base it off evidence and precedence. But we have been wrong, sometimes about things that seem painfully obvious (the original 12 can never be cut when Jiggly barely made it into Brawl). I'm saying we need to be flexible with regards to what can happen. In a lot of ways, we're more hard-headed than Sakurai. He is willing to break precedence. We don't even have precedence for DLC. This is the first time a Smash game has had it. We don't have much to go off. I know we want a sense of security, that we can predict what will happen, but we need to be open or we end up getting blindsided when our rules fail us. E.g. one character per third party.

People make a lot of assumptions that end up getting accepted without question when they should be examined. That's what I wanted to say. Don't want to get people's hopes up saying "yeah, Waluigi has as much of a chance as K Rool."

Pretty much sums it up...

Too many 'fan' rules out there...It seems with every other character reveal one of these rules gets broken...
'Background Characters can't be playable'...
'Gematsu is never wrong' ...
'Trophies won't be playable' ...
''s custom moves means no Lucas' ...
' already has the name Roy'...
'One per third party' AND 'No fighting game characters' ...(look at that Ryu Shoryukened two of these 'rules' at once)
'Having a Mii Costume means they won't be made playable' personally I don't even know why this is still a thing as it has already been disproven...
And finally dating back to Brawl...'No Third-party Characters' ...

When it comes to NPC's most people dismiss the idea simply because it hasn't happened before...there's a lot of things that haven't happened before that has happened in Smash 4, mind you it won't be the case for EVERY rule out there, and that might very well include the 'Assist Trophies can't be playable rule' so I'm not saying ANYTHING can happen (but anything can happen)...but it should still be treated as such, an unofficial 'fan-made' rule...

Either way, I'm just waiting for October to come around and waiting (and hoping) that the 'Assist Trophies can't be playable' rule gets broken...

 

[Putuk]

We really don't have enough info to predict stuff.
We have no idea how the ballot results will be handled.
All we can do is wait and see.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Does anybody here have fond memories of Sm4sh roster speculation? anyone?.......

Just repeating "What" for like an hour at Wii Fit Trainer's reveal
Getting sad at Dillon's reveal
Finding out about Rosalina (I was on holiday and struggled to find a wi-fi to use)
Getting excited at for Lucina and Robin and then slightly less Lucina, because there was barely a difference but I mostly got over it
Not thinking Grenina was Mewtwo and was wondering what on earth everyone was on about
Getting annoyed at the ERB leak for ruining things
That really stupid meme about Ridley finally ending

....oh wait

 

[BluePikmin11]

The only reason why I consider Jumpman as a possibility (at least for the next game) is because I think he would be the next surprise retro. I do not care if he's a third Mario or not, what he represents in the roster is very historical, representing Nintendo's arcade era with Nintendo's important arcade game. (Donkey Kong) And there is some appeal with Jumpman with his mischievous behavior and has potential to take nods to other Nintendo arcade games to make him a pretty unique character.

Keep mocking all you want, but I boldly stand for my belief.!It's something I can see Sakurai do as one of the possible surprise additions. That or a Hanafuda character in Smash Bros. 5 and it would essentially complete Nintendo's most important moments in early history.

Thank you for reading~

 

[NintenZ]

Blue is one person. One person counts as low demand. Blue likes old obscure and strange ****, kinda funny really

BTW, I'm not trying to offend Blue, sorry if you feel offended Blue Steve!

Such as Prince Sable. @ BluePikmin11 loves Prince Sable.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

I wonder would Jigglypuff have been the most requested character for Smash 4 if she had been cut from Brawl?

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I wonder would Jigglypuff have been the most requested character for Smash 4 if she had been cut from Brawl?

oh there'd be much outrage, and also a lot of nervousness cause people would suddenly start to get worried about the original 12 who, up to this point are sure that they are for sure in every Smash

 

[Morbi]

The only reason why I consider Jumpman as a possibility (at least for the next game) is because I think he would be the next surprise retro. I do not care if he's a third Mario or not, what he represents in the roster is very historical, representing Nintendo's arcade era with Nintendo's important arcade game. (Donkey Kong) And there is some appeal with Jumpman with his mischievous behavior and has potential to take nods to other Nintendo arcade games to make him a pretty unique character.

Keep mocking all you want, but I boldly stand for my belief.!It's something I can see Sakurai do as one of the possible surprise additions. That or a Hanafuda character in Smash Bros. 5 and it would essentially complete Nintendo's most important moments in early history.

Thank you for reading~

That is honestly the reason why I support Cranky Kong. Jumpman, to me, is reaching too far. But Cranky has his own identity apart from the "Donkey Kong" moniker. Donkey Kong as a franchise also severely lacks representation relative to its importance.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Cranky could work as long as he takes nods to other arcade games. Cranky and his cane is not enough for me personally.

 

[Schnee117]

That is honestly the reason why I support Cranky Kong. Jumpman, to me, is reaching too far. But Cranky has his own identity apart from the "Donkey Kong" moniker. Donkey Kong as a franchise also severely lacks representation relative to its importance.

He'd be Scrooge McDuck and Classic DK at the same time whilst ranting about "Back in MY day we didn't have to pay for characters! We unlocked them instead!"

Also Animal Buddy boxes when?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Final Update:

Amy Rose:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404981xFc6618f1-15

Bartz:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404914x00C7470e-15

Blaze:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404987x11FB4183-15

Cecil:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404916xbaF74D54-15

Crash Bandicoot:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404898x93aB45De-15

Cream:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404986xB98fac18-15

Eliwood:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404909x0329417b-15

EVR Racer:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404925xEeF641FD-15

Giana:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404929x616948a3-15

Hector:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404910x0397d05C-15

Lightning:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404944xccaD4e70-15

Marina Lightyears:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404895xc555695F-15

Mini Kangaroo:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404928x0272eDB6-15

Nikki:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404924x95B99265-15

Non-Specific Action Figure:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404995xd7B44304-15

Non-Video Game Character:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404994x50D87c15-15

Plasm Wraith:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404906x7380429B-15

Raiden:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404907x8b667f66-15

Randi:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404923xE7294f4d-15

Roddick:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404918xD2c84481-15

Sandbag:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404984x3D494BCf-15

Scorpion:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404917x6f041480-15

Serge:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404919x58C2ad9E-15

Terra:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404915xBddd3bC4-15

Thomas:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404902x371B2685-15

Tron Bonne:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404894x77854668-15

To all who completed all of the polls! Thank you for sticking with me! It feels like the long journey has ended, you pretty much know every candidate people want for characters! To those who haven't finished all of the polls please do so here.

For those who completed all polls, please answer this:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404933x91713f76-15

 

[Kenith]

Christ that is a lot of characters I don't know. Or don't want. Or both. Lol.

Yes:
Blaze, Sandbag, Non-Specific Action Figure, Cresh, Hector, Non-Vidya Gaem characters

Indifferent:
Scorpion

No:
Everyone else

 

[DJ3DS]

The only reason why I consider Jumpman as a possibility (at least for the next game) is because I think he would be the next surprise retro. I do not care if he's a third Mario or not, what he represents in the roster is very historical, representing Nintendo's arcade era with Nintendo's important arcade game. (Donkey Kong) And there is some appeal with Jumpman with his mischievous behavior and has potential to take nods to other Nintendo arcade games to make him a pretty unique character.

Keep mocking all you want, but I boldly stand for my belief.!It's something I can see Sakurai do as one of the possible surprise additions. That or a Hanafuda character in Smash Bros. 5 and it would essentially complete Nintendo's most important moments in early history.

Thank you for reading~

What you claim he represents is already represented by DK, Mario and 75m. It's not as if you are waiting for something to be represented. Moreover you chose Jibanyan of all things over this (and I can dig through my quotes to find you stating that you had considered DK for said spot) in your "iconic characters rainbow" so you seem to be picking and choosing the worthiness of this particular moment.

Bearing in mind that this particular arcade series is already represented, what do you perceive Jumpman to be adding? Can you explain his appeal to the significant majority of people who are actively opposed to the idea? What makes him the better "surprise" choice over significantly more popular characters like Excitebiker, who aren't classic versions of certain characters? Why in particular do you imagine adding him as something Sakurai would do?

I don't intend to mock you for the belief (hence the attempt to have a serious discussion above) but you do have an affinity for obscure choices and an apparent aversion to the popular ones.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'll bring you back to what started my support:

Never mind the theory itself, just look at what Jumpman actually does in the classic DK arcade games.

As Golden puts it:
"Ah, but Jumpman is Mario's evil animal-abusing counterpart. "

These things is what makes him incredibly appealing to me personally, I could argue he's more kruel than King K. Rool himself.

 

[DJ3DS]

I'll bring you back to what started my support:

Never mind the theory itself, just look at what Jumpman actually does in the classic DK arcade games.

As Golden puts it:
"Ah, but Jumpman is Mario's evil animal-abusing counterpart. "

These things is what makes him incredibly appealing to me personally, I could argue he's more kruel than King K. Rool himself.

K Rool steals food to starve the Kongs in DKC1. K Rool has DK tied up whilst he casually whacks him with a blunderbuss and fires a few cannonballs at him point blank in DKC2. K Rool uses DK and Diddy as living batteries to power a robot in DKC3. In DK64 he attempts to blow up an entire island out of sheer hatred of him.

I suppose you could argue Jumpman is more cruel than this, but you'd be wrong.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Poor DK has gone through a lot of scary things.

 

[Zerp]

Would anyone mind taking a little survey on what series they think are repped well and what not? http://goo.gl/forms/FqqLSHfFwu
I promise it won't hurt! Okay, maybe it hurts just a little.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I wonder would Jigglypuff have been the most requested character for Smash 4 if she had been cut from Brawl?

Mewtwo would have still been more requested, though I'm sure she would be more requested than Roy. Doesn't change the fact that Jigglypuff supporters would end up having to go up against vicious oppositions and negative judgement of their love of the character, being declared Smash fanboys blinded by nostalgia and not at all legitimate fans of Jigglypuff due to her not being popular within the Pokemon fanbase. Also, people would argue due to her lack of relevance that anyone who honestly believes that she has a chance would be deluded.

And that's no fun at all.

 

[Deathlightning21]

I've got a question for those who support a character that is already an assist trophy in the game. Do you really think that the character in question has chances to become playable, do you support it because the feedback may improve its chances for the next game, or because of a different reason?

Long story short v

"Lyn is my favorite fire emblem character + Smash brothers is one of my favorite fighting games = GET HER IN THIS GAME!"

 

[DJ3DS]

Would anyone mind taking a little survey on what series they think are repped well and what not? http://goo.gl/forms/FqqLSHfFwu
I promise it won't hurt! Okay, maybe it hurts just a little.

Done.

Couple of tidbits - I did not put Zelda/Wario series as underrepresented but also did not put I was happy with their representation. This is due to choices of Representation (Zelda series) and specific movesets (Wario and Ganondorf)

 

[A Distant Demon]

I still stand by my belief that "repping" is dumb and there is far too much focus on the community of what a series something comes from and not nearly enough of the quality of what is brought. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[BluePikmin11]

I still stand by my belief that "repping" is dumb and there is far too much focus on the community of what a series something comes from and not nearly enough of the quality of what is brought. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yet Sakurai does surprise characters anyway.

 

[Troykv]

Long story short v

"Lyn is my favorite fire emblem character + Smash brothers is one of my favorite fighting games = GET HER IN THIS GAME!"

Essentially share that opinion (but with Micaiah) xD

 

[Kenith]

I've got a question for those who support a character that is already an assist trophy in the game. Do you really think that the character in question has chances to become playable, do you support it because the feedback may improve its chances for the next game, or because of a different reason?

1. No. I don't think Midna has any feasible chance to be DLC.
2. Yes. My goal when I voted for Midna is simply to let Nintendo know that I think she is more than qualified to be in Smash Bros. and that I really, really want her to be in, and I don't care how or when so long as it happens.

Of course, I also voted for her because I think that continuing to support her in and outside of Smash Bros. will convince Nintendo to make Midna go the way of the Rosalina or the Isabelle.

Regardless, my endgame for my endeavors is to be able to unironically list Midna as one of Nintendo's icons, and see her face whenever Nintendo promotes the Zelda series.

 

[Troykv]

Would anyone mind taking a little survey on what series they think are repped well and what not? http://goo.gl/forms/FqqLSHfFwu
I promise it won't hurt! Okay, maybe it hurts just a little.

Donkey Kong is the only franchise that I feel "underrepresented".

I don't feel any franchise is really "overrepresented" otherwise

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

The only third Mario I want is Paper Mario.

I don't have to think of him in strict "Look what he'd REPRESENT, guys!" terms to actually get excited over the prospect of Paper Mario in Smash, I've played all 4 of that version of Mario's games and the gameplay and his abilities there are sublime and very appealing. The original Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr., and Donkey Kong '94 are fun, too, but in those games the basic abilities for Mario (sorry, "Jumpman") and Donkey Kong Jr. are still just ascending, running, and jumping. You can sometimes interact with the environment to make a coconut fall down, or to grab a hammer, but that's it. Paper Mario at least has much more gameplay variety, being an RPG series. Playing the original Donkey Kong arcade games and the first one's Game Boy remake, then the Paper Mario series for themselves, more people are inclined to want Paper Mario in Smash, rather than Jumpman. When it comes to versions of Mario as potential playable characters, a flat Mario that can call upon the help of his various sidekicks and in-game items alongside his usual running and jumping is just going to be more interesting and varied than a Mario that merely carries his old name and was mean to DK a long time ago. The only thing these two theoretical incarnations of Mario share in common is that they both use hammers and can jump. Paper Mario is still more interesting because that incarnation can do so much more on top of that.

If the reason people find Mario's old 1981 Donkey Kong persona, Jumpman, appealing in Smash is because he (that is, Mario) is cruel to animals, go find Whacka, the blue mole guy in the first couple of Paper Mario games, and beat him repeatedly over the hammer for healing items until he DIES. There. Animal abuser. And still a helluva more interesting incarnation of Mario than Jumpman.

(But don't really kill Whacka, that's just mean, both games aren't hard enough that you need to kill the poor thing for all his healing items.)

We already have 75m, the Hammer item, and the two important characters from the original arcade game, Mario (who is still Jumpman with a name change) and Donkey Kong. Unless you want Pauline or Donkey Kong Jr. (and honestly why would you?) it's more than enough representation.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Cream:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll404986xB98fac18-15

As someone who's actually a big fan of Cream
Noooooo, have you played Sonic Battle, Sonic Advanced 3, Sonic Chronicles
This 6-8 year old is OP as all hell

For those not in the know
Sonic Advanced 3 - She can ko the last boss without even moving
Sonic Battle - She can just keep umping over people and throwing bombs at them, you can win without even taking damage
Sonic Chronicles - Cream has healing skills that effect the whole party, level them up to max she will full heal everyone everytime, including herself, also these is a chao that makes it so special moves are perfect everytime

 

[The Novice Sword]

I still stand by my belief that "repping" is dumb and there is far too much focus on the community of what a series something comes from and not nearly enough of the quality of what is brought. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I agree to a point. Its not so much about number of reps but quality. Though that said I think there is something to be said for quantity of fighters/stages/trophies/what have you to represent the full breadth of a franchise's history and variety.

Also as an aside to the last poll I will say that if there were to be another Sonic character I think it should be either Knuckles or Amy.

 

[Bhojj]

I don't like how the Pokemon series is repped.

There are 700+ Pokemon with any kind of shapes and colors.

Yet in Smash 50% of the Pokemon reps are edgy humanoids (two of them being blue martial artists). I must admit I'm biased towards Ivysaur and against Lucario, but I think Ivy conveys the exotic-animal-thingy aspect so well. Also unique moveset and those things.

Also I don't see how a Lucario fan would be satisfied his Smash gameplay. In this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRRhaqx0Zrc) you can see my two least liked Pokemon Lucario fighting like if it was a DBZ battle. But in Smash, he is super floaty and laggy.

Bias aside, I have a legit question: Do Lucario fans think their beloved auradog is well represented by his gameplay?

 

[Kenith]

I still stand by my belief that "repping" is dumb and there is far too much focus on the community of what a series something comes from and not nearly enough of the quality of what is brought. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I agree, but I think the way it's been used here is more broad than that.
I, for one, will vote that Zelda is not represented well, simply because of Ganondorf.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Personally, I think if you already have a spot in-game, you have practically no chance. But that's just me.

If I'm Sakurai, and I'm looking at this ballot post-completion...and I see a Top 10 list of: K.Rool, Isaac, Wolf, Snake, Inklings, Ice Climbers, Ridley, Wonder Red, Dillon and Shovel Knight...I'm going to be looking at things that I haven't already considered or aren't already in the game.

Man I hope that's not the case; Dillon HAS to get in, everyone and their mother is voting for him.

 

[Deathlightning21]

Essentially share that opinion (but with Micaiah) xD

Its a great feeling, ya?

 

[Kenith]

Also, since I have recently beat Super Metroid, I can safely say I actually really like Ridley, he's a good villain.
So, I posthumously support Ridley for Smash.

 

[Troykv]

Its a great feeling, ya?

Yeah, is a great feeling, I'm supporting because the character itself and don't for a "representation thing". (Hahaha xD)

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Eeeeeeeewwwwww Game Theory.

 

[FEEHEELINGGS...Wo Wo Wo]

I wonder would Jigglypuff have been the most requested character for Smash 4 if she had been cut from Brawl?

Before Brawl: I hope that stupid Kirby ripoff never comes back into Smash.
After Brawl: How dare you Sakurai, cutting one of the Original 12, you heartless monster.
The funny thing was that Jigglypuff was almost cut in Melee and in Brawl.
Source: http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/05/31/things-you-may-not-know-about-jigglypuff/

 

[JaidynReiman]

1. No. I don't think Midna has any feasible chance to be DLC.
2. Yes. My goal when I voted for Midna is simply to let Nintendo know that I think she is more than qualified to be in Smash Bros. and that I really, really want her to be in, and I don't care how or when so long as it happens.

Of course, I also voted for her because I think that continuing to support her in and outside of Smash Bros. will convince Nintendo to make Midna go the way of the Rosalina or the Isabelle.

Regardless, my endgame for my endeavors is to be able to unironically list Midna as one of Nintendo's icons, and see her face whenever Nintendo promotes the Zelda series.

See, the problem I have with Midna is she's so limited in context. There's other characters who could be handled well, but Midna is essentially like Blaze the Cat. If you give her a story role, you have to excuse the fact that she's supposed to be trapped in the Twilight Realm, and you'd have to keep bringing the Twilight Realm back over and over to justify her inclusion.



Meanwhile, other characters like Darunia, Groose, Ruto, Nabooru, Malon, Tingle, can all be justified as just being descendants/ancestors of other characters of the same name, like most other major recurring characters. And other characters like Ghirahim (or Saria :D) could just be the same character from game-to-game.


There's a ton of characters who could fill in this notion of being a recurring character in the Zelda games without major problems. Midna, due to where she originates, is EXTREMELY difficult to pull off story-wise. So the only thing that Midna could do is appear in non-canon games or very, very few games where the Twilight Realm is involved (and there's a slim chance of that happening).



I do want Nintendo to make more recurring Zelda characters, there's plenty of potential there. Unfortunately, Midna is a huge problem point when it comes to storylines, and Zelda games tend to rely heavily on the story (even lame stories). Its difficult to even put Midna in as a minor character who just shows up because it would have to be justified by the story.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I'd be down for Twilight Princess 2 or Twilight Princess HD... TP was my personal favorite Zelda game. And don't start telling me why it's not as good as others, it's just my opinion.

 

[Kenith]

See, the problem I have with Midna is she's so limited in context. There's other characters who could be handled well, but Midna is essentially like Blaze the Cat. If you give her a story role, you have to excuse the fact that she's supposed to be trapped in the Twilight Realm, and you'd have to keep bringing the Twilight Realm back over and over to justify her inclusion.



Meanwhile, other characters like Darunia, Groose, Ruto, Nabooru, Malon, Tingle, can all be justified as just being descendants/ancestors of other characters of the same name, like most other major recurring characters. And other characters like Ghirahim (or Saria :D) could just be the same character from game-to-game.


There's a ton of characters who could fill in this notion of being a recurring character in the Zelda games without major problems. Midna, due to where she originates, is EXTREMELY difficult to pull off story-wise. So the only thing that Midna could do is appear in non-canon games or very, very few games where the Twilight Realm is involved (and there's a slim chance of that happening).



I do want Nintendo to make more recurring Zelda characters, there's plenty of potential there. Unfortunately, Midna is a huge problem point when it comes to storylines, and Zelda games tend to rely heavily on the story (even lame stories). Its difficult to even put Midna in as a minor character who just shows up because it would have to be justified by the story.

I completely and vehemently disagree.
You could say the same thing about Rosalina.
Does it make sense that Rosalina is golfing and racing with Mario and his friends?
Not really. But they excuse it because she's popular.

The overall story is not THAT important to Zelda, at least not so much that they absolutely have to abide by what the previous games said happened.
They could easily just say that Midna has incarnations like Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Impa, and I'm guessing Tingle? Or maybe in a future game they find a way to fix the Mirror of Twilight. It really doesn't matter.

And more importantly, it doesn't matter to me. I want more Midna, and I want more Ghirahim. And I don't really care whose story has to be retconned to make that happen.

EDIT: Come to think of it, this argument is completely flawed. Tingle has a very specific origin and story in Majora's Mask, yet appears in The Wind Waker and many other games with no explanation.