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I personally think it's Uair for horizontal recovery (which is what I've been trying to say for quite a while now). Uair starts and ends much sooner than Fair (right?) and ends much sooner than Nair. I'm unsure of frames but I've jumped up and testing using aerials and Uair definatly has the shortest beginning to ending time
My poor man's (but usually accurate, I think) way of determining "fastest finishing aerial" is, for each aerial, double jump and mash that aerial to see how fast it loops. Whatever point in the aerial is most visible, you can see the time between, and that's how long "the whole aerial" takes. For most chars, it's pretty obvious which one's fastest. (I thought it was Uair for Peach, but it could be Nair...)
Fair (if it IS the aerial that ends the fastests frame wise, I'm not sure myself) would be the best bet. For vertical trajectories, as we discovered, it doesn't matter, as long as you fast fall. So hold down and C Stick a Fair for vertical. When being sent horizontal, use the aerial that ends fastest, which as you stated would be the Fair. The reasoning for this is to Jump sooner. So using Fair all around would be easiest most likely, since it gets you into the habit of only using one aerial, so you do it all the time.
I'm willing to assume that every character in Brawl has at least one aerial that has less frames than an air dodge. Even Snake has the Uair, which I'm quite sure is faster. Therefor, the Air Dodge is obsolete. You can't even fast fall while using it, and even giving yourself to using it just promotes bad habits.
As far as I know, the move is just giving you control back ASAP, it's the jump after the aerial that's really helping you recover. Also, I think those moves that affect momentum lose those effects when you are sent flying.
Remember that if you´re sent flying with a turnip in hand you can toss it and it will act as an aerial, you can jump out of it (it comes out as fast as Nair, I believe).
You can use an aerial to shorten hitstun (at high %'s / from high knockback moves). The aerial itself can be fastfalled (any frame on or after the aerial starts), which helps avoid the stage ceiling. Additionally, aborting hitstun early lets you use your aerial influence to push against knockback.. and it also lets you use a Jump or Special to help avoid the side killzones; but beware, if you do this Brawl gives you an extra boost away from the stage lol, so it may or may not be worth it (watch my vid for details, lol).
Use whichever aerial finishes fastest. You can fastfall the aerial, unless it's something very momentum-changing like Sonic's Dair <--- but I could be wrong about that. So your only care is that the aerial end as early as possible so that you can fight knockback through other means.
Use the aerial that ends the soonest. I'm not sure which that is for TLink, maybe his Bair? As soon as it's done, you may need to jump towards the stage to help fight the knockback.
It's how fast it comes out and ends.
Nope, you can't use specials during hitstun. You use an aerial (or airdodge, or itemthrow-cancelled airdodge for best results lol) so that you can then use a jump or special afterwards.
If you're not at all worried about the ceiling, then fasfalling will not help you. You can fastfall or not depending on how you want to return to the stage. However, some characters will want to use their Jump to help counteract their knockback momentum, and this Jump will go super-high because there's a boost if you use it in knockback. So you might need to have fastfalled the aerial so that you don't kill yourself off the top when you use your jump to avoid the side killzone. Does that make sense? Soooo... it's not necessarily useless, it depends on the character and what you're trying to do.
No, they're both just as valid, they can all be fastfalled on frame 1. Although, you'll probably want to input it differently. For Uair/Fair/Bair, you can hold down on the control-stick while you c-stick the aerial, and this will guarantee a fastfall on frame 1. With Dair, you absolutely have to not be holding down on the control stick if you c-stick the Dair; the c-sticking should automatically fastfall it, but I've found it's kinda finnicky about this. So with Dair you should prolly c-stick down (with control stick in neutral), then tap down on the control stick (with c-stick in neutral) just to be absolutely sure you get the fastfall in at some point, even if it's a few frames late. Or maybe I'm just paranoid and crazy
So is the bottom of this thread wrong? (the part about suviving w/ down -b and down b being the fastest thing to use out of hitstun)
The bottom of what thread? srry 'm lost lulz
That is an old thread and actually, I'm still confused about it myself. I've survived at points I really thought I should have died at while doing down up air to down B. Doing the up air first, and then the down B seems to work similar to G&W's. If it doesn't it might be the fact that down B has a forwards momentum to begin with. On the other hand I seem to survive at pretty high percents by just up airing too. It'd be great if someone would test it thoroughly, because down B is very useful while getting back onto the stage and is best saved for last if possible.
I'd feel kinda silly testing though ZSS fully at this point, because I don't really understand her as a character (lolz), but I guess I could test things out. For long-range trajectories I'm sure she'll be best off using her fastest aerial (or an airdodge; I need frame data and more research on Brawl's knockback/hitstun formulae before we know where the tradeoff of each occurs), then using either her midair jump or her down-B towards the stage. I'm assuming that her other Specials don't have any momentum-changing properites; is that right? Does the angle of her down-B change if you do the kick out of it, or is there anything weird like that that might matter?
This surprises me. Her down-B shouldn't be aborting hitstun earlier than any of her other options; airdodge should happen earliest (which also allows an item-throw or Zair; ZSS does have a Zair, right?), then after that her aerials would be allowed, then after that she can use a Jump or Special (including down-B). HOWEVER! Brawl makes a distinction between "weak hits" and "strong hits", as far as hitstun is concerned; so at 0%, say, low-knockback hits will put you in "weak hitstun" which afaik is actually "true hitstun", where airdodge/aerials/etc. don't have any time-advantage before you can jump or down-B. So for these weak hits, since down-B is such a fast jump-away move, it's possible this is the advantage you're noticing; her other options may all leave her trapped. It would be good to know the # frames of her airdodge before she goes invincible, compared with the distance achieved within the first few frames of her down-B.
G&W's bucket is totally crazy because it stops all his momentum, including knockback. However, he needs to escape hitstun (usually with an aerial) before he can use the bucket.
Weird. Thats pretty cool. Nice stuff
Zamus does not have a zair.
