Argument thread: Is Edgehogging/guarding cheap?

[Yerka90]

It comes time and time when you and your opponent is outside the stage. Both of you are outside fighting to the death about the belowed edge. You think its time to end his life by hanging on the edge and watch him go through your invincible frames and lose another life. Then suddenly beside you on the couch in front of your tv your buddy shouts "CHEAP ... YOU PLAY SO FREAKING CHEAP. WHY ARE YOU EDGEHOGGING ME ALL THE TIME!!" I answer "because its a part of the game and everybody should edgehog"

Well it is of course a part of the game to edgehog your opponent cause some characters have a very bad recovery and good attack status or defence or the other way around. What do you think? An argument would be nice so I can show him that it is Cheap/not Cheap.

Another thing thats funny is that he wont edmit that I am better than him when im edgehogging and when we are dueling I am winning about 85% of my matches against him

 

[squirtleuser007]

i HATE edgehogging... i absolutely despise it and i think it should b banned

 

[lordvaati]

Edgehogging is about as bad as cape guarding or spiking.....so not really.(I dunno how to do it well yet, though...T_T)

 

[squirtleuser007]

what do you mean not really? i cant understand you, lulz

 

[uhmuzing]

Dang it! Don't you just hate it when people do that!? If you ask me, the stage is one half of the game, and the edge is the other. If you don't allow egdeguarding, you're essentially playing half of the game.

 

[squirtleuser007]

haha, edgehogging and edgegaurding are two different things, lulz. idk, i use it sometimes too(ivysaur makes me so tempted)

 

[POKE40]

you must SDI
!!!!1!

It is not as cheap as it was in melee.
(I think)

of course if you're ivysaur or Lucario.
hehe. Good luck.

Alas! I have reached the evil post count!

 

[Scarecrow222]

Edgehogging is amazing

 

[squirtleuser007]

ahhh! ZOMG! TEH GRAMMAR NAZI MUST BE TERMINATED!!!!!111!!!!1 i meant it's easy to ledgegaurd w/ ivy- as he has a tether

 

[squirtleuser007]

Edgehogging is amazing

just liek your mom . i dont know why ppl liek edgehogging... sry fr douple post

 

[Frown]

... what?

Edgeguarding? Should you just wait politely until your opponent returns to the stage?

 

[squirtleuser007]

of course! it's the polite thing to do! jk, but idk, i just hate it, and it hates me :D

 

[ChronoTrigga]

If you can't withstand being edgeguarded, you have no right to play Smash Bros. Regardless of which game it is. It's a part of the game. Edgeguarding ftw.

 

[uhmuzing]

haha, edgehogging and edgegaurding are two different things, lulz. idk, i use it sometimes too(ivysaur makes me so tempted)

Edgehogging can ruin recoveries (Ike), but tis not "cheap", and just adds importance to DI. You might as well say that combos are cheap, because they "don't give you time to attack." Its part of the game, and an effective way to play. Edgeguarding is not cheap either; its about as cheap as double-jumping in Checkers, or killing the Queen in Chess.

Okay, bad comparisons, but you get the point.

 

[:mad:]

Edgehogging isn't cheap.

Prove me wrong.

 

[POKE40]

ahhh! ZOMG! TEH GRAMMAR NAZI MUST BE TERMINATED!!!!!111!!!!1 i meant it's easy to ledgegaurd w/ ivy- as he has a tether

I meant if Ivy and Lucario was off stage.
Then they're screwed

Nice grammar.
*pew pew pew*
SHL *pew pew pew*

 

[pacmansays]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=239849

this thread exists and is pretty active right now ^

and btw, no I don't think it is.

 

[squirtleuser007]

lol, i guess it's just me and my n00by n00biness

 

[uhmuzing]

Is this argument thread gonna cover more debates? Because if so, don't do the Banning MK argument; this thread would catch fire!

 

[pacmansays]

Yeah, I think if we expanded the topics it would be great :D

Like a weekly topic to discuss would be interesting

 

[squirtleuser007]

about what? edgeguarding???

 

[pacmansays]

about what? edgeguarding???

I meant if its an argument thread it surely can't just cover one debate for its entirety and a thread covering this topic already exists

 

[squirtleuser007]

oooo, ok. i see now! thnks fr makin it clearer! tht would be cool. now, wht's the first topic?

 

[A17]

the best part of edgehogging is that u humiliate the other person if you do it spontaneously. If you are already grabbing hold of the edge and refreshing your invincibility frames, then that's just plain dumb.

However the best part of being edgeGUARDed is when you pass them with a dodge or something that out prioritizes their actions

 

[uhmuzing]

The edge is the funnest part of the battle.

 

[Crazy_mofo213]

It's not cheap. It's just another way to kill your opponent.

 

[Rikana]

I love letting my opponent back on the stage so there's no end to the match. I might as well just stand there and make them both have a staring competition if there's no edge hog or edge guarding. I love it! I don't play Brawl though.

 

[PrinceRamen]

lol^

but most kills are actually because of edgeguards/edgehogs.

 

[Phantom7]

I honestly don't think they're cheap. It's a great way to take advantage of the other player and the old-fashioned way to gimp a recovery. It's a bit overused, but it's not completely cheap. Any character can do it, so why not?

 

[Uffe]

It's not cheap, otherwise Sakurai and friends wouldn't have made it possible for you to simply run off the stage and grab the edge like it's nothing. The game only knows winning and losing. If you get edgehogged, that's your problem. If you think it's cheap, play a different game.

 

[BloodBird]

Cheapness, is different than strategy, in Melee, when someone is trying to recover and using Link's side b to stop them is strategy, so is edge guarding. The line between strategy and cheapness is when a move is unavoidable, like a lot of Metaknight's moves. The cheapest move quite possibly is Game and Watch's gas attack, you auto will get like 10 hits. edge guarding is avoidable depending on the character, although I've seen some Link users who can use his hookshot to make it impossible to get back, but more so than not it is all avoidable, not so much that cheap.

 

[pizzapie7]

Edgeguarding/hogging is not cheap. I don't know who gave you that silly idea.

 

[Shadow13]

Edgeguarding/hogging is not cheap. I don't know who gave you that silly idea.

Yeah, edgeguarding or hogging is normal, if somebody doesn't like it, have them pick up MK or Pit.
And is it not obvious? Silly ideas come from silly people.

 

[Marshmallowman]

Edgehogging (different than edgeguarding) is completely fine, the only way it would be cheap is say, only chars. with tethers could edgehog, cause then non-tether characters would be at a large disadvantage (and link would be in A or B tier). seeing as how both you and your oppenent can do it, its not cheap, just a part of the game.

 

[Sosuke]

At least call it a "debate" thread.

 

[†Slader7†]

Edgehogging/guarding is not cheap, it's strategy. If you see a chance to defeat your enemy, take it.

 

[Spydr Enzo]

Edge-hogging and edge-guarding are not cheap at all, its a technique to use. After all, isn't the point of the game to knock your opponent off of the screen? And isn't hogging one way to do that? It helps you achieve your main goal in the game which is to knock your opponent off the stage and keep them from getting back on. Guarding is the same thing, why the **** would you allow the person to get back on when the whole point of the game is to PREVENT that from happening?

Anyone who says edge-hogging/guarding is cheap sucks at the game and is a sore loser.

 

[Supersun]

If edge-hogging/guarding didn't exist Samus would be Z tier ; ;

 

[D13]

It's playing to win. People don't edgeguard just to be "cheap".

 

[Corigames]

Nothing is cheap in competitive play as long as both people have the option to use said tactic (IE both people can be the same character and can use the same move).

Discussion over.