Argument thread: Is Edgehogging/guarding cheap?

[TheLoneWolf]

Well...

I HATE EDGEGUARDIN & EDGEGUARDERS. To me, dat's noobed up. I fight wit dignity & honor. If I kill u, I make sure dat u not makin it back to da stage WITHOUT edgehoggin.

 

[uhmuzing]

I HATE EDGEGUARDIN & EDGEGUARDERS. To me, dat's noobed up. I fight wit dignity & honor. If I kill u, I make sure dat u not makin it back to da stage WITHOUT edgehoggin.

Ummm, yes, if that's your opinion.... But fighting with dignity and honor does not require you to not edgeguard. You can fight honorably off the stage. (I'm trying not to be a troll)

 

[Chuz]

Wouldn't be fighting with honor mean fighting to your fullest? If you don't edge guard it's like you're holding back and/or giving you opponent mercy, it's disrespectful at best. Edge guarding is simply like avoiding Ike's Fsmash and then punishing him with you own kill move and killing him. You opponent makes a mistake, you try punish 'em for it if you can. If you're not doing this then you're probably not playing the game right. The edge game is probably what makes up half of all SSB games.

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

this is the most pathetic thread i have ever seen.

honestly. you guys are playing BRAWL. why does it ****ing matter? you can airdodge through anything and survive almost any hit to the point where you can recover safely.

Spoiler

i know this is an exaggeration and i DO understand how high level brawl is played but it's still reasonably true. grapple recoverers have methods of freeing the edge to up-b safely and regardless it's your fault for playing a ****ty character anyway. lower tiers are lower tiers for a reason

the point is to keep the opponent of the stage. that is the point of the ENTIRE GAME. it must be done by whatever means necessary. a win is a win

melee has been around for 8 years where these tactics are both twice as useful/common. we're not complaining about it. use it as an example. the idea of banning or complaining about edgeguarding/edgehogging is pathetic.

stop johning.

 

[Crazy_mofo213]

i seem to edgehog by accident, haha. but i don't do it other than that. no fun.

Winning's always fun...

 

[Chuz]

GamerGuitarist, I play Melee too. Even Melee used to get this. Thing is though, now that all the noobs have moved on to Brawl, you don't hear much of these things in Melee anymore. It's unfair to say that just Brawl gets these kind of arguments. And the idea of this thread is edgeguarding/hogging cheap, not if it should be banned or johns or anything like that.

Truth is, it depends on how you look at it. Is having a sword cheap in the game against characters that don't? Or projects? Really though, all these questions don't have much meaning, because in the end, you can also have the advantages of projects and sword. Anything anyone else can do you should be able too as well(with practice anyways). It's not cheap if you have the options to do it as well. That's the same as saying attacking me is cheap, or shielding is cheap. That's my view on it anyways.

 

[Sosuke]

now that all the noobs have moved on to Brawl

This is untrue.

 

[TEECO]

edge guarding is cheap when it comes to characters that dont amazing recoveries.

edgeguarding a link, olimar, ivysaur, zss, ganondorf, captain falcon is cheap
ect

gimping chracters like
mk, ddd, ROB, snake, kirby ect is NOT

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

edge guarding is cheap when it comes to characters that dont amazing recoveries.

edgeguarding a link, olimar, ivysaur, zss, ganondorf, captain falcon is cheap
ect

gimping chracters like
mk, ddd, ROB, snake, kirby ect is NOT

pick a better character.


and thanks chuz for responding kindly haha. pretty deep way to think about it but regardless i still stand by my post.

 

[cutter]

You get points in Melee for successful edgehogging. In other words, the game REWARDS you for doing an edgehog which means it was intended to be in the series from the beginning.

 

[Ult]

I usually never edgehog, the only time I do is when Im down a couple stocks in a fight.

Being a Kirby main, I usually go after them when they fall off the stage.

 

[Kitamerby]

You get points in Melee for successful edgehogging. In other words, the game REWARDS you for doing an edgehog which means it was intended to be in the series from the beginning.

It was worth quite a pretty penny(points?) if I recall right, too. I think it was 2800, which is much more than the "lol" bonuses, like Compass Tosser or NO R 4 U.

So you not only got rewarded, you got rewarded GREATLY.


Also, edgehogging ZSS is really really **** hard. ZSS isn't a character whose recovery is bad. Neither is Lucario's for that matter.

 

[Elder Sister]

not cheap. basta

 

[BSP]

lol. edgehogging isn't cheap. it's ur friends fault for not being able to find a way around it.

 

[Infinite Emerald]

Some people just don't understand that without Edgehogging/guarding is just as fair as the stage battlefield.

 

[Crazy_mofo213]

Some people just don't understand that without Edgehogging/guarding is just as fair as the stage battlefield.

Are you saying that edgehogging/guarding should be avoided for fairness?

 

[Chuz]

What about killing at early percents? If edgehogging/guarding is cheat then so is killing a player before they are at high %. Remember, some characters can only kill at very high % without edgehogging/guarding their target(Sheik) well others (such as Snake) can kill before 100% with a variety of very powerful fast moves(U-tilt, Bair, etc). It would be very unfair if you think about it.

Edit: Also, you're right sasukebowser, not all the noobs moved on to Brawl. I generalized and exaggerated it quite a bit. But mostly Brawl gets this kind of stuff; whether it be if CG is too cheap, edgehogging is too cheap, X character should be banned, or W/E. Melee used to get this alot too, but it doesn't anymore, which is why it leads me to think most of the complainers in Melee either learned to play, or moved onto a different game.

 

[GTA_Hater_331]

Let me guess: Edge hogging is hanging on to the edge by the hand so the opponent can't, and edge guarding is standing atop the edge and attacking the opponent to keep them off the stage?

I don't recall dying to edgehogging as much as with edgeguarding. I usually let them back on the edge, then KO them with a powerful attack (whether promptly or not). Does that count as edgeguarding?

 

[Chuz]

Edgeguarding is an attempt at stopping your target from grabbing the edge or recovering after falling off stage. Edgehogging is form of edgeguarding. But no, GTA Hater, you're not edgeguarding if you let them grab the edge.

 

[Marthos]

Edgehogging is a clear and valid strategy that everyone can do (barring the excellence of some characters' recoveries). What's unfair about that?

 

[uhmuzing]

Not only that, but its the funnest part of the match.

 

[YUNq PHR3$H]

I Edgeguard All The Time ;
Like It's Your Opponents Fault If Day Get Knocked Out
&&_ They Should Find A Way Around It.
I Do It ALL THE TIME ; SERIOUSLY
I Don't Give A *** lol
No Johns If You Get Edgeguarded