ZSS vs fox

[§witch]

K this is for the fox match-up guide. We know about the mad dsmash infinite, but as long as the fox keeps out of it, what troubles you the most about him? What do you find easy vs him (apart from that lol) What of his moves scare the everliving **** out of you? ETC.
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[DeliciousCake]

Might as well put him at Huge Disadvantage because he's not going to be able to stay away from getting D-smashed forever. And he's pretty much a pushover otherwise; easy combo's on fast fallers.

EDIT: His shine delay is a pain in the *** though.

 

[§witch]

Yup, we already have him down as a major disadvantage. The main thing vs ZSS is the ease of gimping her, shine spikes are very effective due to her tether.

 

[FinalKai]

Yea shine spikes are something too watch out for.

I faced a really beastly fox once...i think my main saving grace was Zamus Utilt...the fox player liked to approach mainly with a Dair or some other aerial...i'd mainly use my Utilt right after my sheild...pops him up nicely for combos

 

[fkacyan]

You really have no way of hitting him if he's perfect... But nobody is.

His dair to uptilt / upsmash combo is deadly, especially considering that the usmash kills you at something like 80-90%. What you have to do is bait him into dsmashes and laggy attacks. Platforms help; if you go against a good Fox on FD, it's going to be a tough match.

 

[Johnthegalactic]

EDIT: His shine delay is a pain in the *** though.

This reminds me, once someone was doing that, off the stage, it seemed pathetic(of a fox) when I used a pretty up-B and spiked the fellow.

 

[§witch]

@ Thio really? I love BF with fox, his fair bair and uair are amazing there.
@JtG that would be a horrible attempt at shine spiking you. A good fox would not do that. At least he could have tried and edgehog then <_<

 

[ph00tbag]

Utilt out of shield is AMAZING in this match-up, btw.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

what if Fox approachs with Nair, do you still Utilt out of shield for that too? also what about when trying to edgeguard him? if Fox starts shooting his blaster what do you do about it?

 

[ph00tbag]

what if Fox approachs with Nair, do you still Utilt out of shield for that too? also what about when trying to edgeguard him? if Fox starts shooting his blaster what do you do about it?

Pretty much if most of the cast hits you with an aerial you're in your shield and lands close enough, you can utilt out of shield. If they land in front of you, you can jab, too.

 

[fkacyan]

what if Fox approachs with Nair, do you still Utilt out of shield for that too? also what about when trying to edgeguard him? if Fox starts shooting his blaster what do you do about it?

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If Fox shoots is blaster run up and hit him with le whip. He has quite a bit of ending lag on it.

 

[Johnthegalactic]

@JtG that would be a horrible attempt at shine spiking you. A good fox would not do that. At least he could have tried and edgehog then <_<

The attempt would have failed, I still had my second jump and down B, he was above me, then went well below me after he got spiked.

 

[Bouse]

Fox is fast, and his dair combos are pretty solid. Other than that... uh... he's fast? I mean... I can hit him with one d-smash and I win. The rest really doesn't bother me.

 

[Snakeee]

Yup, we already have him down as a major disadvantage. The main thing vs ZSS is the ease of gimping her, shine spikes are very effective due to her tether.

Good luck with hitting ZSS with a shine off the stage ....she might even be able to instantly Down B footstool Fox after getting shined but I'm not sure.

Fox IS a problem if you set aside our instant KO on him. It's hard for ZSS to space against him with his speed.
Btw, what Ph00tbag said about up-tilt out of shield is right on the money.