ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[Dooms]

"none of teh active posters rn strike me as scummy. i see nl as weird but not posting w/ scum intent yet, would like horf 2 expand on what's wrong with their tone. ruy especially could stand to actually explain how he thinks their play comes from mafia, at all"

I don't like when Ashemu said this. It looked like an attempt to later jump onto the No Lynch wagon for no reason.

It was a really small point and I didn't want to bring it up unless Ashemu jumped onto the No Lynch wagon for no reason because I would be completely wrong.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Soups right bout ran though. Regardless of nls alignment all of dgames knows how obvtown ran is whenever he rolls town

 

[Wots All This Then?]

No liking my posts soup -/-

 

[No Lynch]

The mod repealed the rule so I'm allowed to.

@ Ashemu
I talk about myself a lot for the same reason anyone else my position would, and that's because I have to. I can't actively just ignore what is being said about me, because that would just be ignorant and not helpful to town. Yes, I'm angry. I'm trying to tell you why that is. I'm not being angry just for the deliberate sake of it. There's a reason why I've been prodding Moria, and that's because this interaction we're having is just as important to me as it is Moira. I don't know Moira's alignment Ashemu, which is why I'm taking the opportunity to get as much as I can out of them right now, or even for that matter everyone else. I think people need to stop writing me off as 'simply angry' because that just angers me more, because it sets a precedence on me that I can do nothing about, and you all assume when I get a tad frustrated I am just flailing my arms about and not trying to do anything. It's not true. That's the last I will say about my anger issue.

 

[Moira]

So both sides re-read your post again together and here is what we think again. We feel that what you did with trying to emulate your play to Zen's is a poor choice. J and Sang are trading off constantly in this thread ('cept J is putting a lot more dirty things). It makes your posts come off as disingenuous. We empathize with you on the Red Ryu thing and not letting him get away with null actions. We do not with the way you went about it though. We feel Ryu is more likely town. Overall, we are sitting with our hands in the air just being....we do not know what to truly say towards you nor that post in its entirety. We are looking for the subtext and what you are trying to say on the surface, but we are not giving a concrete opinion on you just yet because we see no reason to. We are trying to develop our read on you and your anger just makes the game not fun for anyone and it is making it harder for us to read you. We did find a question though:

I say remained because I don't think he's null right now anymore, and I think his vote on us lacks a serious focus.

You say Red Ryu isn't null, right now? What does that make him then? You said you had no scum-reads but is this an avenue to push?

 

[Moira]

"none of teh active posters rn strike me as scummy. i see nl as weird but not posting w/ scum intent yet, would like horf 2 expand on what's wrong with their tone. ruy especially could stand to actually explain how he thinks their play comes from mafia, at all"

I don't like when Ashemu said this. It looked like an attempt to later jump onto the No Lynch wagon for no reason.

It was a really small point and I didn't want to bring it up unless Ashemu jumped onto the No Lynch wagon for no reason because I would be completely wrong.

So what do you feel now that she has jumped on, big boy?

 

[Ashemu]

Soup does this regardless of alignment. He focuses the game around himself for a good while then mellows out until pressure begins to surmount upon him again.

sigh ~_~
how the fukc do you play mafia when half the playerlist does scummy things "regardless of alignment"
in all the games ive read with town-soup (canadafia, tranquility, mmu) he wanted to figure out the game, ffs in the third he was ATTACKING the person making the game about themself. here hes not trying to figure uot the game. in the one SCUM game of his i read (lugias mansion) he just sort of said "this guy could be a town or maybe a scum IDK" a lot and was very active lurky
if you want to meta-defend then youre going to have to give more specific examples bc based on what little meta-knowledge i have this just does not seem true

meta suck's

*whistles over to Ashemu*

i want to understand where ur coming from because scum will fake "townreads" with little to no justification (sometimes the ywant 2 defend a buddy, others they just intuitively know the player is town and assume its obvious so they put no effort into the towncase). gorf is neutral as far as im concerned

I don't like when Ashemu said this. It looked like an attempt to later jump onto the No Lynch wagon for no reason.

yea surprise i was acting apprehensive of teh player i wasnt scumreading but was apprehensive about <_<

I don't know Moira's alignment Ashemu, which is why I'm taking the opportunity to get as much as I can out of them right now, or even for that matter everyone else.

then: how is tihs spat affecting your read on them

 

[Moira]

Question from the Sang side:

What town-reads do you have then Ashemu? You have a lot of null reads and a scum-read on No Lynch.

 

[Dooms]

So what do you feel now that she has jumped on, big boy?

She or he?

I'm sorry @_@.

She had a reason. It wasn't as much of a jump on nearly as much as it's her scumreading Soup for good reasons when you don't involve meta. Therefore the point is kinda moot.

 

[Moira]

She's a kawaii anime girl obviously. We are into foreign foods so she is fun to play with.

 

[ranmaru]

Unvote Vote: No Lynch (Hydra)

I haven't been relieved with your response to me. To me it sounds like you trying to avoid the real issue, and you have done that as scum before. As town I don't know. I have been waiting to see what more you would have done but there hasn't been much ground covered by you. Opinion on Ashemu and his jump on you? Opinion on Joey?

Vote: No Lynch (Hydra)
nl is scum mad about being caught for the wrong reasons actaully

Scum right here as well. FoS: Ashemu
You have been against all the cases on NL but when Moira comes in you are fine with hopping on. Your reasoning for joining is weak. You can die after No Lynch.

 

[Ashemu]

Question from the Sang side:

What town-reads do you have then Ashemu? You have a lot of null reads and a scum-read on No Lynch.

i already said ryu and joey (ironically) are town to me
town reads 48 hours into a 10-day d1 are stupid regardless anyway and matter in the long run like 25% of the time, and thats being generous. come d2 what gorf said early on that kind of resembled your opinion about another slot isnt going to factor into your read on him at all, lets be honest.

 

[No Lynch]

So both sides re-read your post again together and here is what we think again. We feel that what you did with trying to emulate your play to Zen's is a poor choice. J and Sang are trading off constantly in this thread ('cept J is putting a lot more dirty things). It makes your posts come off as disingenuous. We empathize with you on the Red Ryu thing and not letting him get away with null actions. We do not with the way you went about it though. We feel Ryu is more likely town. Overall, we are sitting with our hands in the air just being....we do not know what to truly say towards you nor that post in its entirety. We are looking for the subtext and what you are trying to say on the surface, but we are not giving a concrete opinion on you just yet because we see no reason to. We are trying to develop our read on you and your anger just makes the game not fun for anyone and it is making it harder for us to read you. We did find a question though:



You say Red Ryu isn't null, right now? What does that make him then? You said you had no scum-reads but is this an avenue to push?

I appreciate you actually reading the post, honest. I'll take responsibility for that but the least I can say about it in my position that it was genuine and I don't feel bad about doing it. I wouldn't have gotten Red Ryu to crack in the same way he did had I not said something, so I'll take your words about 'disingenious' with a grain of salt. I don't agree Ryu is likely town. Why do you think that? He has done more that is worth pushing in my opinion. If you want a meta example, look at dining philosopher's. He's setting himself up on an image instead of actually doing something, and as said before, I was hoping I could get him to jump had I called him out on it. He didn't. I'd like you to tell me what you see behind his typical questioning that makes you think this.

then: how is tihs spat affecting your read on them

It helps, if it didn't, I wouldn't be here. I don't know how to take Moira but if I had a gun to my head I would say that the fact I needed to shake them to simply read a response I made bothers me, because it comes off as pure lazy or just intentionally cookie-cutting the thread.

 

[Moira]

Hey fellas, I like the strongarming going on but we already have a slot at L-2. Let's keep the pace going a tad slower so we can last a little longer.

 

[ranmaru]

Alright.

Unvote Vote: Ashemu

 

[Ashemu]

Unvote Vote: No Lynch (Hydra)

I haven't been relieved with your response to me. To me it sounds like you trying to avoid the real issue, and you have done that as scum before. As town I don't know. I have been waiting to see what more you would have done but there hasn't been much ground covered by you. Opinion on Ashemu and his jump on you? Opinion on Joey?



Scum right here as well. FoS: Ashemu
You have been against all the cases on NL but when Moira comes in you are fine with hopping on. Your reasoning for joining is weak. You can die after No Lynch.

why is this guy is supposed to be town again

 

[No Lynch]

Unvote Vote: No Lynch (Hydra)

I haven't been relieved with your response to me. To me it sounds like you trying to avoid the real issue, and you have done that as scum before. As town I don't know. I have been waiting to see what more you would have done but there hasn't been much ground covered by you. Opinion on Ashemu and his jump on you? Opinion on Joey?

Ran, there is no issue, that is why I'm avoiding it. Would it really make you feel better if I talked in circles as to why your assumption on my feeling of WATT is wrong? Is it even still relevant? The answer is no.

Opinion on Ashemu and his jump on you? Opinion on Joey?

The reasoning is superfluous but the actual push doesn't bother me. Null at best, but could lean either way depending on how Ryu feels about his defense on him. Do you thnk Joey would defend Ryu as his partner there, despite disagreeing with the majority?

 

[No Lynch]

why is this guy is supposed to be town again

Because he's ran, that's all that can be really said about it. Do you think his posts from #87-#92 could really come from someone is scum? They're so out there I don't even see why a scum would bother.

 

[ranmaru]

@No Lynch:

Yeah but you yelling about it when Moira agrees with me doesn't help. Seems like you just want everyone to like what you say and you won't stop until Moira says "Ok I see what you are saying, Ran is wrong".

I want to elaborate. Moira states he agrees with what I say, and doesn't really bring much things that are new to the table, yet Ashemu jumps on you because there is a growing momemtum and he just throws away whatever he had that kept him away from you. I would think if he thought my argument was silly, that he would argue that with Moira, but doesn't. He only cares to jump on you with a weak reason that allows him to bandwagon you. This is why I want him dead and think you should have a problem with that.

Joey's "Hey guys who cares about what Ruy does" thing felt like a useless thing to post without actually posting content. Joey isn't really putting much solid content out there and is a null.

 

[Ashemu]

i dunno ive seen players who make contrived conspiracy theory cases as town then mimic that as scum so my reaction was just "i dont want this player living to lylo"

regardless his case on me is surface-level and bad (its possible to disagree with a case on somebody, and still find them scummy. obviously im not gonna vote nl until moira posts when his reaction to moira was the tipping point) and also sets him up to never push me until youre dead

 

[ranmaru]

Simply put, your reaction was opportunistic and is why I think you are scum after all your posturing over NL. It's not the strongest case, which is why I prefer NL over you.

 

[Ashemu]

theres no scum benefit in seizing the opportunity here. its null

 

[No Lynch]

@No Lynch:

Yeah but you yelling about it when Moira agrees with me doesn't help. Seems like you just want everyone to like what you say and you won't stop until Moira says "Ok I see what you are saying, Ran is wrong".

I want to elaborate. Moira states he agrees with what I say, and doesn't really bring much things that are new to the table, yet Ashemu jumps on you because there is a growing momemtum and he just throws away whatever he had that kept him away from you. I would think if he thought my argument was silly, that he would argue that with Moira, but doesn't. He only cares to jump on you with a weak reason that allows him to bandwagon you. This is why I want him dead and think you should have a problem with that.

Joey's "Hey guys who cares about what Ruy does" thing felt like a useless thing to post without actually posting content. Joey isn't really putting much solid content out there and is a null.

Your first sentence makes me chuckle because that's what I want to do lol

I look at it differently and say the push itself is what makes me feel better and I would have more problems if she were to hide behind her words and merely say all these things without action, but it isn't the case. Tell me how you think his reasoning is weak, I don't think it's wonderful but I do get a feeling she's just genuinely trying to read me, it's something I like about her and a constant vibe I get from most of her posts is that her intentions fall in the right place because a lot of what is said by her is progressive and not stagnating; kind of like the opposite of Ryu.

Joey's statement about Ryu is content itself. I don't think you should instantly assume it isn't, because it holds weight, which is why I'm interested in what Ryu will say about it. There's a reason for why Joey said that. Could it be town? Maybe. Scum? Maybe. I agree with you that it's null but it wasn't useless, not at all.

 

[No Lynch]

i dunno ive seen players who make contrived conspiracy theory cases as town then mimic that as scum so my reaction was just "i dont want this player living to lylo"

regardless his case on me is surface-level and bad (its possible to disagree with a case on somebody, and still find them scummy. obviously im not gonna vote nl until moira posts when his reaction to moira was the tipping point) and also sets him up to never push me until youre dead

I can understand your position from a viewpoint without the Meta but Ran's play is just so strongly tied to meta I would feel dumb over thinking it. You have to deal with the fact a lot of the players here have so much history and games together that Meta will always be relevant. I've played like 20 games with Ran probably.

 

[Ashemu]

scum!joey wouldve voted me ages ago tbh. dont know why this is an argument

 

[Ashemu]

@ Wots All This Then? : who is mafia right now? or more accurate who does orbo think is mafia right onw? if you dont have a clear opinion then share who you think is the most likely to be. getting teh impression youre intentionally only making side comments until your other half can post

 

[Wots All This Then?]

If I had to pick a name right now?
Probably one of gheb/joey out of who has posted. Dislike the fact rake hasnt posted due to his natural town style but hes probs busy irl.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

That impression is correct. Im also gonna call it a night due to having morning pt in... 5 hours.

 

[ranmaru]

theres no scum benefit in seizing the opportunity here. its null

Opportunistic in the sense that you hard defend No Lynch as a scumbuddy, but decide to pile on when there is a major support for his death or at least a major discomfort with his slot. You scrutinize NL for not analyzing Moira's post and instead bursting at it instead, but you yourself do the same thing. [If you thought the cases against him were bad you might not be so convinced that some frustration was enough to ring your scumdar] So let me switch gears here. Why does NL reacting like that mean he was scum getting mad, and not town getting frustrated? (This is why I think your reason for getting on is weak [your reasoning isn't convincing enough, frustration can come from either scum or town and you need to go more into that] and it is badly timed)

 

[Ashemu]

town has the ultimate goal of scumhunting even while frustrated

i didnt burst at moira's post btw. the situatio nisnt comparable because moira wasnt attacking me

 

[ranmaru]

I look at it differently and say the push itself is what makes me feel better and I would have more problems if she were to hide behind her words and merely say all these things without action, but it isn't the case. Tell me how you think his reasoning is weak, I don't think it's wonderful but I do get a feeling she's just genuinely trying to read me, it's something I like about her and a constant vibe I get from most of her posts is that her intentions fall in the right place because a lot of what is said by her is progressive and not stagnating; kind of like the opposite of Ryu.

Joey's statement about Ryu is content itself. I don't think you should instantly assume it isn't, because it holds weight, which is why I'm interested in what Ryu will say about it. There's a reason for why Joey said that. Could it be town? Maybe. Scum? Maybe. I agree with you that it's null but it wasn't useless, not at all.

Like I mentioned previously, it isn't strong enough to show that you are scum. Frustration can come from either town or scum and he needs to show why your reaction came from a scumNL and not a townNL. How is she trying to read you? Does her jump on you signify to you that she is trying to read you?

I say it is useless because it doesn't help me read Joey. But if there is something you see there, don't hesitate to show your work. Otherwise I'll simply wait for Joey to do more work.

 

[ranmaru]

town has the ultimate goal of scumhunting even while frustrated

i didnt burst at moira's post btw. the situatio nisnt comparable because moira wasnt attacking me

I don't think all town do that. Some defend first and then scumhunt. Otherwise I don't think this helps to support your reasoning for getting on NL.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean you bursted. I meant that you also didn't analyze Moira's post but instead just jumped on NL for his reaction, which isn't good enough.

 

[ranmaru]

Out for the night.

 

[Ashemu]

no im not going to spend time talking about moira after coming to the conlcusion nl is scum, again the issue with nl is situational. nl never looked like he was attempting to "get as much as [he] can out of them" until called out

ftr him being upset was never the crux of my vote, i suspected him for the passive approach to the game which i mentioned next post. i specifically called him out for being mad first because i wanted to see how hed respond to that. townies that "defend first" are rare (note: you can do both in teh same post) and even if you want to argue that nl had been missing the "and then scumhunt" part entirely

this post in particualr is baffling because nl already jumps 2 the conclusion that moira has good intentions, then when pressed by me later he has no opinion on the slot

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Is there multiquote functionality

Omgus fro

Omgus from you aside
Id put mac and yourself as hard to read when not highly motivated to play/ when you guys don't feel like cooperating. J pretty much forces himself to play especially when town and makes it somewhat obvious on that case.

why did you make this point?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

this post in particualr is baffling because nl already jumps 2 the conclusion that moira has good intentions, then when pressed by me later he has no opinion on the slot

No, no. I was saying I was being voted for good intentions.

 

[Ashemu]

o.....

Is there multiquote functionality

if you click reply tehn the quote is automatically added to ur post, assuming youre using quick reply

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I think Moira's intentions are shady and I'm bothered that J never came back to have it out with me.

no opinion on the slot

It helps, if it didn't, I wouldn't be here. I don't know how to take Moira but if I had a gun to my head I would say that the fact I needed to shake them to simply read a response I made bothers me, because it comes off as pure lazy or just intentionally cookie-cutting the thread.

 

[No Lynch]

No, no. I was saying I was being voted for good intentions.

I think Moira's intentions are shady and I'm bothered that J never came back to have it out with me.

 

[Ashemu]

tahts fair. i interpreted the gun remark as indicating it was a very minor opinion

im gonna be honest, i dont have strong reads anywhere right now, its like nobody wants to commit to a push and vote (except gorf, luv u) and this makes it very hard for me to tell where anybodys coming from, words are cheap but votes never lie so i wish ppl would be less content to just go "hm well i dunno who the scum are" *disappears*. part of it is probably shock from being accustomed to faster-paced games where having 4 nonposters 48 hours into a 13p d1 is unheard of unless ur playing w/ really really bad people