So, in melee, Zelda's 13 frame grab made shield grabbing almost useless. And now that chain grabbing is out (only possible on the heavy weights, but it was our best move against the top tier characters) My question is, is her grab still so slow, i believe it was the slowest one in melee, now that there's no L cancel you MIGHT be able to get one in on a fox/falco. The other thing is, seems that double thunder kick/triple WOP kick may still be possible, but seriously nerfed without L cancel. Over all, i'm not sure if it's good or bad that they took it out ><