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Zeldafan28112's Credibility in question (aka the Mushroomy Kingdom Prophet Quoter)

ShortFuse

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Okay, as many of you know I developed this theory about character positioning revealing a previous mock of 35 characters to possibility being true and whatnot.

I'm not a fan of the roster. The only reason I would want the roster in it is because it has Marth, my main. Yes, I'm really that selfish. Whatever. I don't like the roster really and I've been focusing on trying to disconfirm my other theory. Again, just because I presented the roster, doesn't mean I think it should be the roster. Anyway, to the point.

While searching for disconfirmation (like AC picture, R.O.B. as SSE enemy) I looked at Zeldafan28112 posted saying that on Dec31th somebody claimed somebody posted this:

Can't/won't/don't ask about how I have this info. We all know that game by now right? Here are some things about Brawl:

- Olimar: PLAYABLE
- Ness: PLAYABLE
- Lucario: PLAYABLE
- Wolf: PLAYABLE
- Dark Samus: PLAYABLE
- Micaiah: PLAYABLE
- Geno: NOT PLAYABLE
- Isaac: NOT PLAYABLE
- Mewtwo: NOT PLAYABLE
- Roy: NOT PLAYABLE

- No more third party characters.

- Ganon's Castle will be a playable stage. It's actually very scary. Has that creepy Ganon music from Ocarina of Time in it. Do I smell Rated T for Teen???

- Mushroomy Kingdom will be a playable stage. Sidescrolling version of World 1-1 from the original Super Mario Bros.

- Cool boss battle with Eggman in SSE.


This was posted by someone on December 31st on this board. I typed Hankenstein when I saved the post orginally.
Okay, so this would disconfirm my theory. I'm intrigued.

So I went back to check on Zeldafan28112's posting history. This is from existing threads and google cache in chronological order:

Zeldafan28112 Topic Created: "If this dumb roster is real, then this is a defeat for us girl gamers"
  • Posted 1/22/2008 7:56:58 AM:
    I was looking forward to cool chicks like Krystal or Micaiah being included in the game but there's not a single new female character from Melee to Brawl. That sucks. :( :( :(

    Sakkurai only added males or robots.
  • Posted 1/22/2008 7:59:03 AM:
    Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it silly.

    I just want to play as some asskicking chicks.

On thread: "Tell..me the 35 Roster isnt..true..."
  • Posted 1/22/2008 10:27:12 AM: It's true. Screw you Sakurai!!!

On thread: "This roster, if true, has officially killed my excitement for this game"
  • Posted 1/22/2008 11:42:40 AM: Sakurai is lazy.

Zeldafan 28112 Topic Created: "Let me be the first to say it: the roster is a huge huge huge huge failure"
  • Posted 1/22/2008 1:14:55 PM: Ok Brawlers, let's look at the pretty much confirmed roster:

    <snips 35 char roster>

    Where do I begin???? We gain 12 Nintendo characters since Melee, but we lose 4. That's only 8 more. Over 6 years since Melee and we only have a net gain of 8 Nintendo characters? And they've had all this time and have made us wait this long to only give us 2 third-party characters?

    And why cut anyone to begin with? RIP Dr. Mario, Pichu, Roy, and Mewtwo! The only one that makes total sense to cut was Pichu since EVERYONE hated Pichu. But WHY cut Mewtwo especially? This sucks!

    And R.O.B.? Is Sakurai kidding with this crap? He goes out of his way to include some robot character that nobody gives a crap about and he cuts old characters and doesn't even put in cool characters from Golden Sun or Animal Crossing? WTF?????

    And like I said in another topic, not a single one of the new characters is a female. He lied about wanting new female characters I guess (and Zero Suit Samus doesn't count.)

    I am already extremely extremely extremely disappointed in Sakurai and can't believe I waited this long for this.

  • Posted 1/22/2008 1:17:35 PM: But it's pretty much confirmed. That video proves that it's real. No way someone gets that lucky in guessing the order of characters.
  • Posted 1/22/2008 1:18:38 PM: I agree greenjester. It's screwed up big.
  • Posted 1/22/2008 1:19:30 PM: That may be true reaverz, but why do something as stupid as cutting Mewtwo for R.O.B.?????
  • Posted 1/22/2008 1:42:27 PM: "35 quality characters > 20 some quality characters + 20 clones/crap characters"

    But they're not all quality! They should have cut Game and Watch and not included ROB at all.

Yeah, she wanted female characters.
Micaiah = Female
Samus = Female so Dark Samus = Female (Arguably)

The "Sakurai is lazy" and "Screw you Sakurai" bother me too much to believe what she says.

Some people on the thread say they remember the Mushroomy Kingdom & Ganon's Temple but don't remember a character list attached.
Some don't remember it at all.

Well, I'm taking it all with a grain of salt as Card would say (and has said about my theory :p)
My suggestion, just wait. It'll be leak soon. I think I'm done with trying to disconfirm it and I'm just leaving my theory as it is until the game comes out.

Oh yeah, if this post comes out horribly formatted, I'll fix it with an edit but it's hard to preview since the boards are crashing a lot.
 

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I thought the Mushroomy Kingdom prophet was a shoop, because the person who claimed it joined a month AFTER that said prediction?

And that's not a misspelling of shop. I really mean shoop. Chargin' mah lazahs and all that.
 

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"Everyone hates the roster; so it must be true!!!11one"

In any case...I take it as a sign that the crap 35 roster is fake, unless Sakurai wasn't to seriously peeve off everyone who ever wanted this game. Now why would he do that?
 

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Some people on the thread say they remember the Mushroomy Kingdom & Ganon's Temple but don't remember a character list attached.
Some don't remember it at all.
One person at least does...

I remember the original topic, but I just flamed like everyone else.

My reason: No Isaac.
Plus, most of them just say "I remember this post", which I take it as "the whole post", or else they would've said "I remember this... but without a character list" or something like that.

I'm not saying the leak is true, and obviously it should be questioned, but things point at it being real.

I thought the Mushroomy Kingdom prophet was a shoop, because the person who claimed it joined a month AFTER that said prediction?

And that's not a misspelling of shop. I really mean shoop. Chargin' mah lazahs and all that.
Oh? So the post that has no proof of existing and is said to have come from a member who wasn't even created at the said time of the message is in QUESTION?! NO... WAY.
User Name zeldafan28112
Account Created 10/7/2007 9:03:31 PM
 

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The only reason I would want the roster in it is because it has Marth, my main. Yes, I'm really that selfish.
Shorfuse has tried to prove every roster except the 35 fake, because of this. Fail.
 

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I can't understand why 42 movesets should be so bad that something is off. Of course, it is weird for SoccerEye to think in terms of movesets rather than characters but we can't really say what makes sense and what does not, considering this is the smash series at the end of the day.
 

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I really want Micaiah in it :( she'd be a perfect female addition, having a major role in an FE game, and increasingly popular series.

I don't actually play/like FE, I just think she'd be a great character. But to me this prophet sounds fake. They ALL do. ;)

Lucky guesses one says.
 

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Oh? So the post that has no proof of existing and is said to have come from a member who wasn't even created at the said time of the message is in QUESTION?! NO... WAY.
 

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It's a hermaphrodite!

Nintendo needs to care about the kids, so no Dark Samus for Brawl.
 

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Didn't bother reading.

Tool.
That sort of thing reflects poorly on you in my book. I dislike the 35-roster as much as you do and yet I don't sublimate my disappointment into childish insults against someone who is trying to use reason.
 

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In any case...I take it as a sign that the crap 35 roster is fake, unless Sakurai wasn't to seriously peeve off everyone who ever wanted this game. Now why would he do that?
Blah blah blah, it doesn't go with what I believe is the roster, blah blah blah. Who cares? Sakurai doesn't.

Go back to the week before Melee was released in Japan and tell everyone the same thing and see what happens. Yeah, you get Young Link, Ganondorf, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Mewtwo, and Mr. G&W as your last characters. Who was the most hated? Mr. G&W. Why? Because nobody knew him nor thought he could fight. Then the next reason: clones. I don't need to go any further with it. Sakurai crushed the dreams of ours for Melee's roster, he can do the same for Brawl, don't think he won't because he CAN and he's done it before.

Just prepare yourself for ANYTHING. Then you won't be as disappointed or as angry.

Expect the unexpected, don't state the roster is fake because it isn't proven fake until the day Brawl is released and we KNOW the roster officially. Then and only then will it prove it fake/true. If it's true, there you go.
 

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Dark Samus is an it, but it's referred to as a she...or he.....or it....or potatoe(Sheik is a she now :p)...or Metroid Prime.
Well I say it's a she. It was referred to as a she in the games, has a (deep)female voice/laugh..at least in MP3, has Samus's genetic DNA in it, and is called she by the pirates and GF.
Dark Samus for Brawl!!
 

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It's like when SamuraiPanda made the Conspiracy Theoracy. Evenone was nagging at him for making a theory. Why all the hate? Why don't people read either?

I don't like the 35 roster. Just because I developed a 35 theory doesn't mean I like it.
People I want in Brawl, in order of most wanted
Zero
Marth
Cloud
Geno
Isaac
Ridley
Sora

I'm serious. That's my wishlist. I don't really care for any of the new characters save for Ike and maybe Snake. That's it. I'd be disappointed with the roster but I wouldn't kill myself over it. I'm looking for concrete flaws in my theory. Like if Wolf turns out to be an Attack Trophy or Animal Crossing Villager character gets confirmed. There's no room to wiggle my theory around that. It'd be over.

I think Fox & Falco & Wolf and excluding Krystal is silly. Krystal highly ranked on the poll. I would think she should be in more then Wolf. But that's not a flaw, that's something you easily say, "That's what Sakurai decided and we have to live with it."

Added Micaiah and added Dark Samus would disconfirm my theory and it'd be great but I just don't trust the poster.
 

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I don't think it's the actual number of 35, I think it's the choices in the roster as given by the "leakers."
Because god forbid that the roster doesnt have their one favourite character. Any roster without said character fails. I suppose its just me on the outside looking in when it comes to this, but people who are complaining about this seem like spoilt little children.
 

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Well, I'm taking it all with a grain of salt as Card would say (and has said about my theory :p)
My suggestion, just wait. It'll be leak soon. I think I'm done with trying to disconfirm it and I'm just leaving my theory as it is until the game comes out.
Alright :laugh: *Thumbs Up*

Good sleuthing though. I believe I also heard from Mookie at BrawlCentral that zeldafan originally called it "Mushroom Kingdom" and not "Mushroomy Kingdom". If there is anything that I enjoy, it's deconfirming prophets :laugh:


I came across this age old Article of an interview with a Nintendo PR which was done way back on May 20th.
http://nintendrone.blog.com/1780019/
So far everything the PR has said has come true, not just for smash but for MP3/SMG. (Even said that all the original ssb64characters would be returning... how did we forget about this interview during all those Ness arguments?)

Anyways there are 2 statements from this interview I just thought I would remind everyone of!
  • 1. Game will feature no more than 50 characters.
  • 2. “Fans will be extremely pleased with the quality and number of characters we’ve brought around, as we made this very much a fan-desire project. There won’t be anymore ‘clones’ (just thought I should mention, he did the finger quote thing, and I literally lol’d) either. There are definitely characters that will be huge surprises too, one of which happens to be my absolute favorite.”


Don't forget about it everyone! Remember, everything is just a rumor until it is proven factual.
 

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Because god forbid that the roster doesnt have their one favourite character. Any roster without said character fails. I suppose its just me on the outside looking in when it comes to this, but people who are complaining about this seem like spoilt little children.
1? There's many fan favorites that have been ignored for garbage like R.O.B., it's not unreasonable, especially if this really is the "Brawl to end them all."
 

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While I do remember the Mushroom kingdom prediction, (which as I remember it predicted the stage perfectly) I really don't recall any of the other stuff. IE Micaiah, Dark Samus, ect.

Perhaps the only reason I didnt forget the Mushroom Kingdom prediction is because I recall thinking that it was a really interesting idea. The rest of the stuff is very forgettable. But by the looks of her posting history, I wouldnt put it past her to make up some of the other stuff out of some type of blind, crazy, woman rage.
 

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1? There's many fan favorites that have been ignored for garbage like R.O.B., it's not unreasonable, especially if this really is the "Brawl to end them all."
gosh, took 20 minutes to load this reply :ohwell:

Anyway back on track, i thought id point out this link -

http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/ssbb/vol2_page1.jsp

Quoted, straight from the horses mouth -
"I felt that a large premise of the project was that this was not a series that would continue indefinitely After all, it wasn’t possible to keep on increasing the characters that are entitled to take the field in Smash Bros. And even if you try to utilize new familiar characters that resonate with the fans, you can’t get each and every gamer to be happy. Just like its predecessor then, we decided to design the game as if it was the last one in the series. "

Indefinitely meaning in this case - without any settled limitation

Simply put, Sakurai will try/is trying to please the audience as a whole, instead of spending more time catering to specific areas or people. Lets face it, in the end if [character] is not in Brawl, these moaners are still going to buy brawl anyway, arent they?
 

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I'm dubious about this. It does seem as though she made it up, but you never know. That's the problem with GameFAQs, the fact that old threads just get deleted.

Personally, i don't mind the roster. I don't particularily beleive it's true just yet, but if it did turn out to be true, i think i'd be ok with it.

Granted, i hope there are more characters and so on, and to be honest, i think it's likely there will be, but yeah, i'll be content (aside from Ridley's non-inclusion) if it stays as the 35.
 

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While I do remember the Mushroom kingdom prediction, (which as I remember it predicted the stage perfectly) I really don't recall any of the other stuff. IE Micaiah, Dark Samus, ect.

Perhaps the only reason I didnt forget the Mushroom Kingdom prediction is because I recall thinking that it was a really interesting idea. The rest of the stuff is very forgettable. But by the looks of her posting history, I wouldnt put it past her to make up some of the other stuff out of some type of blind, crazy, woman rage.
 

Finn Macool

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35 characters doesnt seem like as many as hoped for compared to melee but melee had clones and some characters were so weak that they couldnt be used in a serious match anyway
35 different and balanced characters is a pretty good deal really (if they can pull the balance off)
 

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"Zeldafan28112 posted saying that on Dec31th somebody claimed somebody posted this"

ok, so you look up her post history? shes just posted what someone said, how does her post history affect what someone else said...
 

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My only real thought against the person who said Mushroomy Kingdom, is that someone with a little bit of true information may attempt to throw in some false info with it to make it sound believable. I'm not saying that he/she was lying, or that I think it's particularly likely, but it's possible.
 
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