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Ooh I like that. I started practicing both of the b verse naryu tricks you mentioned. Also are you trying to do the consistent method of shield dropping or just trying to get the right angle? Also what moves are you trying to do off of a shield drop? I'm still trying to figure that part out.
Shield dropping is faster than both of those options but it isn't strictly better. Up special and up smash OoS are both high commitment moves, and if someone is spacing just outside of your shield or out of shield grab range you won't hit them and you'll be stuck in the animation. If ou use up smash OoS too much your oponent will scout it out and bait you into it. Farore's Wind lets you get out of pressure but it only has 2 active frames on it's grounded ribbon hit box.
I think shield dropping could be useful to punish someone who's pressuring you from under a platform (for example, a Roy or Link who has just Usmashed your shield or someone who's trying to shark you with SHFFL Uairs) You can immediately shield drop after the move ends and punish with Nair or a Kick, depending on where they are relative to you. I'm not consistent enough with it yet to try it in matches though. I keep spotdodging by accident.
Those two options only cover on or above Zelda, whereas shield dropping lets you cover opponents pressuring Zelda below her. A good example would be Marth's utilt.
Usmash and upb OoS cancel the jump squat frames, so they really are fast OoS options.
Really? I always thought that all OoS options that required a jump were delayed by the number of frames in the character's jump squat. If you're correct then it's only the case with WD OoS, my b. Up smash OoS and Farore's OoS are still super good options, especially with Zelda's high traction, but you should use them sparingly if your opponent isn't over committing their approaches on your shield.
Yep, and it makes sense from a design perspective since they don't expect players to press A at exactly the same frame as up if they're doing an upsmash.
It's mostly because people, Melee players specifically, have gotten used to being prepared for such an option because of how Fox and Falco platform cancel their phantasms. If you want to stay unpredictable teleport either into them or directly to the ledge. If you're at the right height to telecancel on a platform's edge you're at the perfect angle for both those options as well.One super awesome technique I've kinda realize is actually pretty damn punishable is attempting a horizontal telecancel while recovering.
Turns out, people somehow always manage to hit me hard every time I nail it, making each success a sad moment. Very sad moment.
I do this sometimes and my opponents NEVER expect it. Remember you can cancel at any point so just don't cancel in their face! And if it looks like they might punish it, cancel just above ledge and you can drop to it and grab it. Zelda grabs ledge during her entire turnaround animation upon leaving teleport, so you have plenty of time.One super awesome technique I've kinda realize is actually pretty damn punishable is attempting a horizontal telecancel while recovering.
Turns out, people somehow always manage to hit me hard every time I nail it, making each success a sad moment. Very sad moment.
Thats brilliant. It also reminds me of some advice I give newer players who don't understand why I beat them without ATs. I analyze a video of them playing and ask "why did you do that" every time they pick an explicit option that I don't see a point in. For example, I see a LOT of people immediately dash dance away from their opponent upon starting a match or returning to neutral when their opponent could not feasibly have hit them nor when they need the momentum (like on Falcon) to approach from distance. They wavedash but they aren't DOING anything with it. Their normal run would be better in a lot of cases! They jump to catch up to an aerial opponent and then get hit (because aerials can't clank) when they could just wait for the opponent to come back down!
That's called Nayru's Glide. It's done by using Nayru after jumping out of hitstun (sort of like the Love Jump) or by holding a direction for a certain number of frames out of hitstun (I believe it's 17) and then pressing B.
I'm assuming farore's boost is the same thing but with farore.
When he uses Farore from the ledge, he's probably hitting away on the C-stick so he doesn't fast fall. He's not actually doing Farore's Boost there.
This is an example of a Farore's Boost. You could only do it out of hitstun, as it combines the horizontal momentum of your knockback with Farore's.
Even Mango SD's to basic tech flubs; practice will never make perfect in this game. Do you have any practice techniques to share?
