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"Yeah, well, your *** was overrated!!!" [SotC wars]

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Warning: Possible spoilers for that one game. (Shadow of the...wait, what were we talking about?)

Blame Marc. Really.

Last night, I could not find my Fire Emblem game disc. I just moved, and I still have junk in boxes that I don't have space for. (By "just moved," I really mean I moved about...4 or 5 months ago. But who's counting?)

So I was considering either going through random boxes that may or may not contain a disc (probably not in the right game box either), or playing something else.

That's when my eye landed on a possibility.

"Oh, that overrated mess some guy was going on about in that one thread where I dug a massive hole to the middle of nowhere in an attempt to out-think myself."

It being 12 midnight ought to have been a sign for me to just turn in for the night. Or maybe I just needed to forget that I had a fun-filled day ahead of me, a day brimming with endless dilutions and hours of manual bulb pipetting (if you don't know what that is, you don't need to know).

The sound of my PS 2 working still makes me nervous, as I remember stories on the web about people who found fried, dead cockroaches in their consoles after the systems started glitching.

By 2 AM, I realized that the next time I decide to run my mouth on some Internet forum about a game, I might want to touch base with the source material at least one more time before I go.

So, the thing, about that thing:

The "story" in SotC.

Some games add story to increase the gravity of the situation, to make the player feel a greater sense of purpose to the task of pushing buttons in a certain sequence and watching pixels flash on a screen. SotC does this too, but not in the usual way.

In the game, the Colossi serve as visual representations of both the magnitude of the task at hand, as well as its importance to the protagonist. It also depicts the difference in power and capacity--to scale--between the hero and the divine forces he is playing with (and, consequently, being played by).

The Colossi appear as moving mountains. To take them down, you must scale them, the way a climber would a mountain. And as a climber on a mountain, it becomes evident that you, the climber, are an insignificant part of this moving landscape. The Colossi are like parts of the land itself, and the land is what holds everything else up. While you are on it, you play by its rules. In this world, Wander is dwarfed by everything, from the Colossi, to the sprawling plains, to the cryptic ruins, even by his own freaking horse.

This exaggeration--the size difference between the climber and the mountain--emphasizes three things: 1) How far he's willing to go to revive this girl; 2) how much power the Colossi have compared to him; 3) how little the world cares about his presence.

If one thing is true about this place, it is that within it, you are NOT the "chosen one." You have not been "selected" by a divine power for some divine purpose. You are just a guy, a small guy, in a big world. You sought out those higher powers on your own, and those higher powers can either make or break you. Your horse is not your slave; your horse has her own will--it takes effort to control her when you ride--and she stays by your side because she chooses to. This is an implication that the other elements of this world also have their own intentions, their own will, and those intentions also have nothing to do with you. This world was here before you came; it was not waiting for you. And when you found it, it decided to use you.

Into this place, Wander comes and accepts the pact he is offered. I can gauge, visually, by proportions, how difficult the task is that he's taken on. There are no power ups, no magic that will slay a beast from a distance, something that would compensate for the size difference. The sacred sword will show you where to go, but you must still wield it like a normal sword. And for each Colossus, you must climb, from the ground to the sky; you must bridge the gap between small and large, between the insignificant and the divine. It's like watching an ant take on an elephant. And the game forces you to see it; the game can capture it in a single shot, without words.

When Wander falls, he doesn't immediately jump back to his feet. He lies there until he comes to his senses. When he does rise, he doesn't spring up, ready to fight; he plants his hands and his knees against the ground, and he forces himself to rise. He isn't a superhero, and he isn't even a warrior. He rises the way an untrained person would, like he's shaking away a concussion; he wields his sword like someone unaccustomed to it. He has very little else to go on but his own determination. And yet he scales the first Colossus, and then he proceeds to do it again and again.

Without knowing who the girl is, or what his relation to her is, all of this already tells me how much it means to him to revive her. I only know that he needs to do this. You can leave me wondering about the rest; I'm okay with that.

I don't know what cliches are considered truths, and I don't specifically look for characters to relate to in games or in fiction (if I did, I would play no games and read no books). But if there is something for me--something akin to insight--in all of this, it is the idea that an ant can take down an elephant. Because, in the real world, with all its complicated systems in which individuals become mere parts of an incomprehensible whole, the things that rule us are as giants, and we stand in their shadow. The day an ant takes down an elephant is the day it becomes an elephant. But that transition means that it must suffer the consequences of now standing tall, now being seen, as formations of the landscape are seen. Power is also feared, and visibility is the elephant's weakness, as invisibility is an ant's strength.

To become great means that, as a mountain, another may also have cause to scale you--and to slay you.
 

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A great blog, I agree with it whole-heartedly! (though about the non magical weapon part, he did have a sword that rejects light into the direction of the next colossus).

I felt like they placed the story in a way, to indeed show you how truly insignifficant you really are to that world. The story is already there, the colossus are already there, you're just... dropped into that world.
 

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Or maybe I just needed to forget that I had a fun-filled day ahead of me, a day brimming with endless dilutions and hours of manual bulb pipetting (if you don't know what that is, you don't need to know).
Serial dilutions are tedious. I have never had to deal with using bulb pipettes as I usually use P20, P200, and P1000 with quantities that don't exceed 5ml.

ElNino said:
In the game, the Colossi serve as visual representations of both the magnitude of the task at hand, as well as its importance to the protagonist. It also depicts the difference in power and capacity--to scale--between the hero and the divine forces he is playing with (and, consequently, being played by).
Yes the Colossi are big.

ElNino said:
The Colossi appear as moving mountains. To take them down, you must scale them, the way a climber would a mountain. And as a climber on a mountain, it becomes evident that you, the climber, are an insignificant part of this moving landscape. The Colossi are like parts of the land itself, and the land is what holds everything else up. While you are on it, you play by its rules. In this world, Wander is dwarfed by everything, from the Colossi, to the sprawling plains, to the cryptic ruins, even by his own freaking horse.
Yes you are small.

ElNino said:
This exaggeration--the size difference between the climber and the mountain--emphasizes three things: 1) How far he's willing to go to revive this girl; 2) how much power the Colossi have compared to him; 3) how little the world cares about his presence.
Yes the Colossi are big, yes you are small, yes you are trying to save a girl, and no one really "empathizes" with other people in real life.

ElNino said:
If one thing is true about this place, it is that within it, you are NOT the "chosen one." You have not been "selected" by a divine power for some divine purpose. You are just a guy, a small guy, in a big world. You sought out those higher powers on your own, and those higher powers can either make or break you.
You do own a light-brite sword and have a pretty pony.

ElNino said:
Your horse is not your slave; your horse has her own will--it takes effort to control her when you ride--and she stays by your side because she chooses to. This is an implication that the other elements of this world also have their own intentions, their own will, and those intentions also have nothing to do with you. This world was here before you came; it was not waiting for you. And when you found it, it decided to use you.
If my horse does not obey me perfectly, then I must be the victim of some greater world conspiracy.

ElNino said:
When Wander falls, he doesn't immediately jump back to his feet. He lies there until he comes to his senses. When he does rise, he doesn't spring up, ready to fight; he plants his hands and his knees against the ground, and he forces himself to rise. He isn't a superhero, and he isn't even a warrior. He rises the way an untrained person would, like he's shaking away a concussion; he wields his sword like someone unaccustomed to it. He has very little else to go on but his own determination. And yet he scales the first Colossus, and then he proceeds to do it again and again.
Except when he dies.

ElNino said:
Without knowing who the girl is, or what his relation to her is, all of this already tells me how much it means to him to revive her. I only know that he needs to do this. You can leave me wondering about the rest; I'm okay with that.
Okay.

ElNino said:
The day an ant takes down an elephant is the day it becomes an elephant.
Okay.

ElNino said:
But that transition means that it must suffer the consequences of now standing tall, now being seen, as formations of the landscape are seen. Power is also feared, and visibility is the elephant's weakness, as invisibility is an ant's strength. To become great means that, as a mountain, another may also have cause to scale you--and to slay you.
That's nice.
 

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Oh haaaai look I'm edgy and dislike things that are popular.

anywho, keep this in the two original threads please, people.
Yes, I am persuaded by someone who flames me (with an ad-hominem no less) and then suggests civil obedience. Wonderful argument setup.
 

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I want to buy Acrostic a drink.
 

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Wow, El Nino, I had no idea you had it in you to write this much, lol. Good show. I guess I have to go try this game now, even though my wife's screaming "Ico sucked, this one will too!" whatever, lol I'm willing to dig for it and play it. I dunno, PS2... there's a ton of old *** PS2 games at Wal-mart in the 10 dollar bin, maybe this is one of them. I dunno, I'm kinda surprised at all the fandom this game is attracting, for or against. When underload mentioned streaming a run through there was almost a unanimous "yeah!!!" but it never happened (c'mon man, save me the trouble of playing this thing, stream it!!) but then to read Marc's blog took me aback I'll admit, I really wasn't expecting someone to come out and say the game was only aite if that even. Now I see there's a strong divide, some think it's this whole deep experience and whatnot, and others think it's trash, apparently... Hmmmmmmm.

Well I will play it, and I'll decide if it's trash or not. Get back to ya in a few weeks on this.
 

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Serial dilutions are tedious. I have never had to deal with using bulb pipettes as I usually use P20, P200, and P1000 with quantities that don't exceed 5ml.
I used to only use micropipettes. But now I'm working with quantities that are usually in milliliters and liters. Don't ask me why a company in the industrial field can't afford adjustable bulbs. This isn't a high school chem lab.

That's nice.
It is.

I want to buy Acrostic a drink.
I would buy him a drink too. Maybe. Depending on my mood and how many I've already had when he walked into the bar.

Nino, you sir are my hero.
Thank you. I aim to please.

Well I will play it, and I'll decide if it's trash or not. Get back to ya in a few weeks on this.
I usually prefer to go into a game without having read any reviews or fan-****ish-ness beforehand. But, anyway, hope you have fun with it.
 

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I used to only use micropipettes. But now I'm working with quantities that are usually in milliliters and liters. Don't ask me why a company in the industrial field can't afford adjustable bulbs. This isn't a high school chem lab.
It sounds hilarious, from a ******** perspective (chemical company meets The Office). Seeing intelligent men in the workforce doing titrations and dilutions with bulb pipettes. I'd buy you an equivalent amount of drinks to the amount you had to pipette with a bulb in order to help you make it through work, but I'm still a minor.

I understand that you were attempting to impart the impressions you had from playing the game but I just don't feel the same way no matter how many times I try to cut it. And I still think that this is the funniest thing I've read in awhile: The day an ant takes down an elephant is the day it becomes an elephant.

Metaphorically and symbolically it was a good read. But from a technical standpoint the game doesn't contain enough of a working story for me to be entertained. And the necessity on your part to make such vivid descriptions only reinforces for me at least that the gaming industry is moving towards immersion graphics at the expense of telling a good story. Ideally games should have immerse the player in terms of graphics, gameplay, sound track, and story. But rarely do any games rise to that standard.

I won't elaborate further because I'm really just repeating myself. But it was a nice type-up. I was just being obnoxious yesterday and I wanted to apologize.
 

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It sounds hilarious, from a ******** perspective (chemical company meets The Office). Seeing intelligent men in the workforce doing titrations and dilutions with bulb pipettes.
No, what's hilarious is when you're down to the last five in the drawer and they're all chipped. Trying to work against the properties of air is awesome.

I'd buy you an equivalent amount of drinks to the amount you had to pipette with a bulb in order to help you make it through work, but I'm still a minor.
That'd be a lot of alcohol.

the gaming industry is moving towards immersion graphics at the expense of telling a good story. Ideally games should have immerse the player in terms of graphics, gameplay, sound track, and story. But rarely do any games rise to that standard.
SotC is not what I tend to think about when it comes to how graphics are weighed against other aspects of a game. A while ago, I played the demo for WET, and for that one the look and cinematic style kind of took over. Probably, someone on the team saw Kill Bill one too many times, but the demo was pretty much all style, more like an interactive movie where you get to point the camera at moving targets than a game.

Edit: I think I misunderstood you. My descriptions were about how SotC uses "visualization" to its advantage, but that is not the same as using "graphics" capacity to its advantage (though you could argue that it does both). Games have always been a visual medium (though I've heard of blind people who play video games). So with the advancement in graphics, things proceed as you'd expect. It's both a strength and a weakness. A lot of the ingenuity in the earlier video games came out of thinking in two dimensions. The graphics capacity now makes developers think in stories and in fictionalizations of the three-dimensional experience. So I'm not surprised to see graphics weighed more heavily than before--but what's different between now and then is that it's lost some of that innovation. Because it now exists in the third dimension, it's susceptible to many of the same pitfalls as movies.

I was just being obnoxious yesterday and I wanted to apologize.
It's okay; happens to everyone.
 
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