WOW...this is soo..hard...

[Hylian]

I was watching PC chris play fox..and he shined a peach(I think it was a peach anyways) then waveshined backwards and shined again but he turned around in the second shine and grabbed the peach!! It was so fast that you could barly see the second shine come out at all because he grabbed so fast. It took me a minute to figure out how he could grab backwards but tehn I noticed he shined and JC'ed the grab out of the shine while turning around in it so fast that you can't really see the shine..it just reminds me how hard fox can be to play like that...Seriously I can pillar infinite against a wall very well and I thought that was hard this is just...wow...

 

[AThirdParty]

That's lol flashy

 

[Pikaville]

Well he did win MLG.PC Chris is the ****.

 

[Hylian]

Can anyone else do this? I tried and it took me like 20 trys to get it ONCE.

 

[Zgetto]

just shine hold the opposite direction and jc grab
i havent tried it yet but it sounds just like a normal shine jc grab only then the other way around

 

[1980]

just shine hold the opposite direction and jc grab
i havent tried it yet but it sounds just like a normal shine jc grab only then the other way around

yea to me too. where is the hard part?

 

[M3tr01D]

sounds like he did a modified cruel waveshine. can't speak for everyone here but I can't pull those off very consistantly.

 

[Hylian]

The hard part is that he waveshine BACKWARDS then shinejcgrabbed while turning around in the second shine NOT the first...It looks so weird because I had never seen anyone do it before... Usually fox's will turn around in the first shine.

 

[Brookman]

Turning around in the shine = slow which, coincidentally = bad.

 

[Hylian]

Slow? What are you talking about? it only takes 4/60th's of a second to turn around in the shine which is faster then the eye can see. (Human eyes can typically only read 10/60ths of a second.) Watch him do it and you can barly see the shine come out.

 

[EnigmaticCam]

It may take only 4 extra frames to turn around in a shine, but would that be enough to give a peach frantically pressing down on the c stick time to make her move?

 

[Hylian]

No because she is stunned for WAY more then 4 frames from the shine. And actually now that I think about it, it was a CF...I THINK this is the match..I'm not sure because I can't view videos on this computer though so this is from memory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPNQGYyMd3E&mode=related&search=

 

[Brookman]

at around 9-10 seconds chris shines, wavedashes out then turns around and grabs, maybe that's what you were talking about...I'll watch the rest anyway. there's another one at 1:28, I think the reason you say you can hardly see the shine is cause he doesn't actually shine a second time

Slow? What are you talking about? it only takes 4/60th's of a second to turn around in the shine which is faster then the eye can see. (Human eyes can typically only read 10/60ths of a second.) Watch him do it and you can barly see the shine come out.

I meant it's slower to turn around in the shine the wavedash out. As opposed to just wavedashing backwards. It's not possible to shine someone then turn around and jc grab from the shine I don't think, unless you retain momentum from running with the second shine. All Chris is doing is wavedashing backwards from the shine then turning normally and grabbing. No shine involved in him turning around, that would be silly.

 

[Hylian]

at around 9-10 seconds chris shines, wavedashes out then turns around and grabs, maybe that's what you were talking about...I'll watch the rest anyway. there's another one at 1:28, I think the reason you say you can hardly see the shine is cause he doesn't actually shine a second time

Hmm well in the video that I saw (like I said I'm not sure if it was this one or not..) I heard the second shine..

And I could be mistaken and he could just be turning around and my sound was screwed up or something..

Is it even possible to shine someone standing directly behind you then turn around in your shine and JC grab them?..Framewise it seems possible but..ahh the finger movments are insane.

 

[Brookman]

Hmm well in the video that I saw (like I said I'm not sure if it was this one or not..) I heard the second shine..

And I could be mistaken and he could just be turning around and my sound was screwed up or something..

Is it even possible to shine someone standing directly behind you then turn around in your shine and JC grab them?..Framewise it seems possible but..ahh the finger movments are insane.

The sound on the video was probably not synch'd you.

in regards to your question, if they aren't shielding they'll be pushed away (obviously) and if you hit their shield they'll probably grab you before you grab them, since the shine stuns the shield for only a few frames I think. You'd have to ask m2k on that one.

 

[Hylian]

...You can shine someone then JC your shine with a grab and it grabs them before they are pushed away...

 

[Brookman]

not if you have to turn around.

 

[Hylian]

But since it only take 4 frames to turn around in your shine then it should be entirely possible...It would just be really hard to move your fingers that fast...

 

[Ijuka]

4 frames is WAY TOO MUCH, believe me. You can say that it only takes 4 frames, but 4 frames is god-knows-how-many-pixels. It's INSANELY hard, if not impossible even without turning around, even with perfect timing. That is, without the running momentum. And turn-around-in-shine to jc grab is easy by the way.

 

[Hylian]

..Do you know how long 4 frames is? It is the same amount of lag you have when you land on the ground. Thats it. Not after doing an attack or anything just landing..You cannot take advantage of that lag because you cannot see it as the human eye can on average only see 10/60ths of a second...

I still have yet to do this so I'm not saying it's possible but it is very possible and pretty easy(for me anyways) to do it when they are in front of you..just shine and JC grab immediatly.. It helps if you are holding the controller in the claw position. I cannot so far shine someone behind me then turn around and grab them...I'm guessing it is because of the lag from me hitting them makes me not able to turn around in time. I'm not sure though and I really wish someone with AR would test this out.

 

[Brookman]

you can grab them after shining them without having momentum from dash canceling into the shine?

 

[Hylian]

I am almost positive you can..I usually do it after drillshining..

 

[Brookman]

video please?

 

[Hylian]

I will try and do it at HOST2 and get someone to record it. I can't put out my own videos.

 

[Zgetto]

actually its possible,
i have done it some times one a peach , but i only can do it when i dash and then do a shine jc grab.
you almost grab it immediatly after the shine(but because you run you slide a little closer to the peach when you shine)
i dont know if its possible when your standing still though.

 

[Brookman]

actually its possible,
i have done it some times one a peach , but i only can do it when i dash and then do a shine jc grab.
you almost grab it immediatly after the shine(but because you run you slide a little closer to the peach when you shine)
i dont know if its possible when your standing still though.

That's why I requested a video.

 

[CWolf20]

If what you say happened in the video you showed, the sound for the shine didn't happen, and I'm pretty sure that if you bring out the shine, even if you cancel it as fast as possible, it still makes the noise.

The sound on a lot of Youtube videos is desync'd. Go through and watch it again, and listen for the first shine, and notice that you don't hear it, then you hear it almost exactly as he grabs darkrain. That's why you mistook it for a second shine.

If this move was feasible to happen consistently, you would see it considerably more often than you do. But, I don't believe anyone in the world has fast and consistent enough fingers to do this more than once in a long while.

 

[Ipwn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPNQGYyMd3E&mode=related&search=

1:20 to 1:40

He does it 2 times

 

[Brookman]

All PC does from 1:20 - 1:40 is simply shine, wavedash, turn and grab, I don't know what makes you think he is shining to turn around. That would just be stupid and overly difficult and not very PC-like at all.

 

[Hylian]

I'm aware that he isn't doing what I thought he was it was just my sound. I'm not talking about that anymore lol. I want to know if its even possible.

 

[Brookman]

I was talking to Ipwn who said he did it twice.

 

[Hylian]

Oh lol. I still want someone with AR to test this.

 

[Metà]

When I get my AR back I will test this. However, with my extensive knowledge of everything relating to the shine, I can tell you it is not possible to do what you are saying without some forward momentum. And 4 frames is a long time when we're talking about shine tricks, because even missing by 1 frame is still a miss.

 

[Hylian]

You could be right.

 

[Silent Wolf]

You don't need AR XD its possible
plus if the peach has good DI you wouldnt even want to grab, youd just turn around usmash. and try and uair or bair after that. if you were 'technical enough' to do that, you may as well shine her off the side. XD

 

[Hylian]

Finnally someone agrees with me..Just in my head calculating the frames I thought it would be possible >_>.

 

[WhiteOblv]

why not just ask M2K if it is possible? im pretty sure he would know...

 

[ShackDaddy]

Why are you ppl asking if its possible? It obviously is since he did it like 3 or 4 times (missed the grab like twice)in the clip shown above which was taken from a tourney.

 

[Oskurito]

You mean he waveshine then shine turn around and Jc grab right?

The only thing i saw is that he turned around in his wave shine then he made a JC grab but he didnt make another shine.

Not to impresive just flashy

 

[Brookman]

You mean he waveshine then shine turn around and Jc grab right?

The only thing i saw is that he turned around in his wave shine then he made a JC grab but he didnt make another shine.

Not to impresive just flashy

He shines, wavedashes backward, turns around and grabs. What is flashy about that? It's simple fox garbage.