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Won't we need a second stick?

Chido72

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It's useful sure but I still don't see what you don't get about not being able to buy accessories for handhelds I don't own. I also don't understand how coming to a logical conclusion on a product is judging a book by its cover.
So your problem is that you can't buy an accessory for a system you don't own, but you need it to play a game that's not out yet on a system you don't own.
If you really need a second stick on 3DS then you should buy an XL and the CPPXL. It's more comfortable and less bulky compared to the 3DSXL (relative to the size difference between the 3DS and the normal CPP).
 

smashbro29

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So your problem is that you can't buy an accessory for a system you don't own, but you need it to play a game that's not out yet on a system you don't own.
If you really need a second stick on 3DS then you should buy an XL and the CPPXL. It's more comfortable and less bulky compared to the 3DSXL (relative to the size difference between the 3DS and the normal CPP).

I'm not debating the ideal solution given what's available. He was saying I hadn't tried it I just pointed out that trying it is just not feasible at the moment.
 

Gilius Thunderhead

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I admit, need is a poor choice of words. You don't need a second stick in any of the smash games for basic functionality but clearly you ignore the competitive aspect of the series, if I want to put every item on and play with 4 people in an FFA a second stick sin't gonna matter much but I don't think you understand the kind of Smash forum this is. If I practice basketball on a 3 foot high court in my backyard against my little brother and then later try to use that skill in a game against adults on regulation courts I'm gonna get rocked. I'd rather be able to practice on a regulation court against adults, even though I don't need these things to experience basketball. How are you not seeing the logic behind this?



It's useful sure but I still don't see what you don't get about not being able to buy accessories for handhelds I don't own. I also don't understand how coming to a logical conclusion on a product is judging a book by its cover. If I don't like pizza (god forbid) am I gonna go out and get it with mushrooms because I didn't try that type yet? No, because that's stupid. When I do eventually buy this pizza because it's getting one irresistible sauce will I be trying the mushrooms? I didn't say either way but obviously yes.

I never showed prejudice, I never said I wouldn't be getting one with a 3DS, refer back to my pizza analogy. Saying I don't know what I'm talking about is not a logical argument. It's an attack, cut it out. Thanks.
I understand the competitive aspect entirely. That's not the issue here. If you want a second stick then buy a CPP WITH YOUR 3DS (whenever that may be). It's that simple! I'm not telling you to go out and buy one right now, when did I say anything like that? If you refuse to buy one even when smash does come out then it's your own fault you don't have a second stick.

Worst analogy ever. This isn't about you not liking the 3DS design it's about you talking crap about an add-on you've never used. It's alot easier to come up with some stupid analogy than admit you're in the wrong though huh? Get the CPP don't get the CPP I don't care anymore. Before I came in you talked all kinds of untrue crap about it now you change your mind and pretend like you were on board the whole time? That's bs and I'm done talking about it.

"Never showed prejudice"? The hell you didn't. Refer to the paragraph(and everyone of your posts) above. You don't know what you were talking about, that's not an attack it's the truth. You knew nothing about the CPP beyond looks yet you hated it for things you had no knowledge of. That's pretty much the definition of prejudice.

That's got more to do with the connection quality and internet stability of 2 consoles wired up via Ethernet vs 2 handhelds on WiFi connections. But hey if you're such a "man" you can just chop the second stick off of whatever controller you're on.

Gotta love how you ignore my point about practice needing to be the same as the real thing. Also love how you know my financial situation and how I can easily go out and buy this stuff today to try out. I'm not Scrooge Mcduck I need to make decisions on things before buying. By your logic a 3DS in and of itself is a want and not a need and you'd be correct but in the mindset that we want to play the game the 3DS is a need and I'm arguing that yes to make it viable for practice a second stick is necessary.
Would you stop with that? Just say you'll play me in a match on the 3DS. That's the game I'm getting first, I don't have a wiiu and don't know when I'll get one so just stop making excuses and agree to play against me.... please.

I didn't ignore anything. If you want the 3DS to be as much like the wiiu as possible then just get a CPP with it. You know, like I've been saying this whole time >_>. I never said to buy it all right now just buy the CPP with your 3DS or whenever you get a chance to and stop complaining that there's no second stick. I never said anything about the 3DS you already confirmed you were getting one so my argument had nothing to do with it. Here's my logic simplified for you, If you want a second stick then stop your whining and start saving up for a CPP.

Then get a second stick! No one here's stopping you especially not me. I've been saying you should get one this whole time, stop snapping at me for giving you good advice. You have no reason to complain about anything.
 

Gilius Thunderhead

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I'm not debating the ideal solution given what's available. He was saying I hadn't tried it I just pointed out that trying it is just not feasible at the moment.
You not trying it isn't the problem, it's the fact that you talked crap about it without ever trying it that makes it wrong. You can rationalize it anyway you want, but it's still wrong.
 

smashbro29

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He's not upset, he's being perfectly reasonable and questioning why you'd trash the CPP without actually trying it.

I didn't "trash" it, I gave a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why I'm not crazy about it.

If I don't like pizza, do I go to Pizza Hut the next day and try it with mushrooms? No. I just stop eating pizza.
 

nat pagle

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I didn't "trash" it, I gave a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why I'm not crazy about it.

If I don't like pizza, do I go to Pizza Hut the next day and try it with mushrooms? No. I just stop eating pizza.

That's assuming you've tried pizza before.

There is so much wrong with the attachment, it's so freaking far from the buttons and requires a really drastic thumb movement, it's better than no second stick but it's an awful solution.
And X-button on the Gamecube to the C-Stick wasn't a drastic thumb movement? And I'm also guessing you know that it's just impossible to get used to the CPP because it's inferior before you have even tried it.
 

smashbro29

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That's assuming you've tried pizza before..
The pizza in that analogy is a 3DS, I've tried pizza.

And X-button on the Gamecube to the C-Stick wasn't a drastic thumb movement? And I'm also guessing you know that it's just impossible to get used to the CPP because it's inferior before you have even tried it.

The controller for the GameCube is shaped much more naturally, I never even noticed but you're right it's actually a bit of a trip. Then again, you have to imagine I've been using the thing since Melee in 2001 so I guess going down at that angle has become natural. That being said already knowing it was actually painful for me to play Sonic Generations for a few hours using a 3DS adding more girth and moving that muscle memory off to the side instead of sliding it down and inward seems like it'd suck significantly more, not only for familiarity's sake but also because 3DS thumb pads aren't quite as springy as real analog sticks.

However there is no ignoring that it is the optimal solution to use a 3DS and a CPP. I am optimistic in hopes for a new model but if it doesn't happen I'll just have to grow those extra fingers Sakurai wants me to have for Kid Icarus Uprising.


Also I'm too lazy to find and quote it but there is just no way I'd use the 3DS version online unless I was seriously pressed, if Capcom could barely pull of Marvel on a Vita online I very much doubt Nintendo could do it any better on a 3DS. But that really goes beyond the scope of this discussion.
 

nat pagle

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Also I'm too lazy to find and quote it but there is just no way I'd use the 3DS version online unless I was seriously pressed, if Capcom could barely pull of Marvel on a Vita online I very much doubt Nintendo could do it any better on a 3DS. But that really goes beyond the scope of this discussion.

Yes, considering Super Street Fighter 4 works just fine for 3DS.
 

smashbro29

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Yes, considering Super Street Fighter 4 works just fine for 3DS.

Works just fine for casual play. The random input lag is the worst in that version due to pretty much everyone using wifi.

For a fighting game, it's wired with low ping (and that's a crapshoot depending on the game like KOF XIII) or wired with GGPO. Anything else is just changing the game to the point where online play is nothing like the offline game.
 

SmasherP82

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Honestly, There's no point for a new 3DS that will have a second stick that's just ****ing stupid as hell but If you don't like it then don't buy it I've never used trhe C-stick because I never felt like it had a purpose but anyways having a 3DS with a second circle pad is really dumb and I never used CPP because I'm right handed but that's all I really have to say..........When it does come out all you have to do is get used to controls is that so hard????
 

BaPr

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I could get used to not having one. I'll just wait until reviews state whether it is compatible or not before deciding.
 
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