Has anyone been able to use this effectively against a good opponent? The timing on it is difficult and due to Wolf's poor recovery, if you miss you almost always die. I just find other ways to kill people when they're returning, seeing as I find it too risky. I was just wondering whether anyone actually is able to meteor with it on a regular basis.
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Wolf's D-air
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Ghost07
Smash Journeyman
Wolf's Dair sucks.....nuff said.
Shaka
Smash Rookie
i land meteor smashs all the time with wolfs d-air
Ghost07
Smash Journeyman
Then your friends must suck...The move is terrible.
teekay
Smash Journeyman
Can't it be meteor canceled anyway? I just wouldn't bother. Bair is so much better I pretty much default to that for edgeguarding.
It's not TERRIBLE. That's blatant hyperbole. Any move with Meteor Smash ability is automatically a good move, it's just a matter of finding a way to...a) be consistent with it, and...b) keep it unexpected enough that they don't assume you're going to try and MS them every time they go off the side of the stage.
It's not as good as, say, Ganondorf's, but it is by no means a bad move as far as I'm concerned.
EDIT: Oh, and by the way...this post is NOT to say that it is a move you should regularly use, if I didn't get that point across. The point is that it's certainly not a BAD move, just difficult to pull off given an imperfect situation. The key is knowing when that PERFECT situation DOES occur, and then utilizing the move to your advantage.
It's not as good as, say, Ganondorf's, but it is by no means a bad move as far as I'm concerned.
EDIT: Oh, and by the way...this post is NOT to say that it is a move you should regularly use, if I didn't get that point across. The point is that it's certainly not a BAD move, just difficult to pull off given an imperfect situation. The key is knowing when that PERFECT situation DOES occur, and then utilizing the move to your advantage.
It has its uses. I will sometimes use it to start an air combo from them on the ground at higher %'s as they don't seem to expect it sometimes, but with Wolf's meh recovery meteor smashes can be dangerous without practice, like any move I suppose. Its decent, but don't rely solely on it.
White_Lightning
Smash Journeyman
It's not impossible to pull off against good players. Just make sure to use the C-Stick to avoid fast-falling, don't double-jump off the ledge, don't bother if they're too far out, and just remember that the move has some lag.
Ghost07
Smash Journeyman
........lol
Are you serious. The move isn't good.
Right out of the SWS guide(coming soon).
Don't try to spike with the Dair! It may look awesome but with multiple airdoges and how easy it is for other characters to get back too the stage it sucks! It leaves him open too get screwed due to his okayish recovery. His bair is the way too go! Wolf's bair is one of his best moves and must be used too the fullest. His bair is excellent against shield grabbers and spammers. At low percents follow up with another attack to rack up damage. If they dodge your bair in the air stay on them and fair or shine them.
Combo setups are you kidding me.
This move is too slow and laggy to be effective in any environment. Have you heard of shield grabbibg.
Are you serious. The move isn't good.
Right out of the SWS guide(coming soon).
Don't try to spike with the Dair! It may look awesome but with multiple airdoges and how easy it is for other characters to get back too the stage it sucks! It leaves him open too get screwed due to his okayish recovery. His bair is the way too go! Wolf's bair is one of his best moves and must be used too the fullest. His bair is excellent against shield grabbers and spammers. At low percents follow up with another attack to rack up damage. If they dodge your bair in the air stay on them and fair or shine them.
Combo setups are you kidding me.
This move is too slow and laggy to be effective in any environment. Have you heard of shield grabbibg.
Ghost...I agree with the spike part, (since its nearly impossible to recover after the move), but it is a good and useful move...His Dair breaks through shields, and is great for combo moves at percentages over 100%...
There is little to no lag at all if you preform the move correctly...
Ghost07
Smash Journeyman
Don't forget about dodges though.
And the start-up lag is the main problem. Your opponent should easily see this move coming.
and Dair is Down air
Ghost07
Smash Journeyman
Dair is his spike....Down air as in...his B^ going down or his spike?Srry, not familiar with this stuff.
Problem2
Smash Champion
sometimes a back throw near the ledge pops them up into the air high enough to dair spike, but your opponent must grow a fear of being b-air'd so that they'll DI away from the stage.
"What's the matter? Scared!?"
Also, it helps if your opponent is at a decent %.
"What's the matter? Scared!?"Also, it helps if your opponent is at a decent %.
Ghost07
Smash Journeyman
Unless Wolf is SS Goku I can't see him pulling this off unless your opponent isn't paying attention.(edit* sleep)sometimes a back throw near the ledge pops them up into the air high enough to dair spike, but your opponent must grow a fear of being b-air'd so that they'll DI away from the stage.
Also, it helps if your opponent is at a decent %.
Juicy
Smash Apprentice
man never use dair air unless you have the perfect time to use it or your enemy is so bad you land one.... not that its impossible to use it agaisnt good players, the bad just outweighs the good
....................... again this move has nothin to do with your opponents skill (not so much at least) sometimes they HAVE to use their special recoveries to survive, and many characters can't attack after wards / their B recoveries have low priority -----> makes this move useful, when fox or falco do their up B, kill them with it? whats not useful about that? they can't control the speed and trajectory (assuming their trying to get to the stage they got 2 options usually easy to predict) of their up B, so dair it, just dont be dumb and try to dair opponents who still gotta jump or somethin, DAIR CAN BE UNAVOIDABLE LRN TO USE IT, even now with up-b's sweet spotting the ledge, this makes it easier to use dair cause u can predict they're gonna ride the edge of the stage on their recovery, so do it right below the edge, has good priority lrn to time the windup
