Winged Characters = Floaty Chars? ex: Kirby

[Pyroloserkid]

I've searched multiple titles looking for a thread like this, but I have failed in my efforts. So if anyone knows any threads that this should be in, please by all means, tell me.

Ok, after watching the Brawl video from the 2006 E3, I've realized Winged characters such as Metaknight and Pit have more than 2 jumps. I actually saw Metaknight jump five times (like Kirby) , and Pit only jumped four times (assuming he didn't take his last jump because Metaknight was below him) . If you're wondering where to find this clip, well, I was watching it on smashbros.com so I don't know the seconds, but it was after Pit appeared, which is a bit before half.

So what I'm trying to get at here is do you think ALL characters with wings will have 4 or 5 jumps (5 mainly) ? Which WINGED characters do you think will be in the game? Do you think THEY'LL have 5 jumps? How will this benefit air combat? Do you think because of the 5 jumps, the recovery move won't have much or ANY horizontal length (like Kirby's or Jiggs) ?

Discuss.

 

[Gypsy Lee]

Ridley: Multiple Jumps + Gliding + Fireballs = PWNage

Oh, and what would be the point of having wings if you couldn't use them?

 

[Pyroloserkid]

Ridley: Multiple Jumps + Gliding + Fireballs = PWNage

Oh, and what would be the point of having wings if you couldn't use them?

PWNage indeed my friend...and well, for looks? But that's just gay.

ANYWAYS.
If Ridley could just glide over everyone and shoot fireballs, that might start to get annoying and/or cheap don't you think?

IDEA! What if Meta and Pit can glide? Wings = Glide?


Edit: I was watching the other trailer just now, the november one...and personally I think Snake doesn't look "cartoon-ey" enough to be in this game. It just looks awkward. Comment?

 

[goateeguy]

no real comment on snake's cartooneyness, (giga bowser ain't exactly that fluffy and cute). @ actual thread: i'm getting really antsy at all the changes in gameplay they're making. for example: pit. 4-5 midair jumps, and a recovery up-b. metaknight: 5 jumps and possible up-b. i'm really concerned that they might be doing this to compensate for the final smashes. that concerns me because it might mean they aren't items and thus can't be turned off. it's just really scary, and that's the reason the thread titled "who's afraid of brawl potentially sucking?" has so many hundreds of pages of posts.

back to the point, consider what happened with melee. there are only about 7 or 8 heavy characters and a heckuva lot of medium to light characters. other floaties (wings or not) will probably have much better recovery than they did in melee, again, i think to compensate for some change in attack strength. i can't say whether or not ridley could have enough moves to be in it, because i don't play metroid games much, but if he is, he'll probly be heavier than people like pit.

all im really trying to say is that too many floaties could get annoying, and that im afraid for what brawl will do. i tend to babble like an idiot when im worried, so sorry if u got bored reading this.

 

[Pyroloserkid]

Uhh goateeguy, you really didn't answer any of the questions that I proposed in the topic or state an opinion. Also, how you're saying that the 5 jumps may compensate for the Final Smash being an actual move, not happening. It's in the items section of the dojo, and it's just TOO powerful of a move to be able to use in your characters move set everynow and then.

-w00t post 200.

 

[L_Cancel]

I'm wondering if Brawl is going to blur the lines between floaty characters and normal characters. I mean Kirby and Jigglypuff are floaty, and fall slow, but I wonder if Pit and Metaknight will fall at normal rates, despite having multiple jumps. I'm also thinking that all characters with wings will be able to have multiple jumps. As far as gliding goes, Metaknight can be seen gliding in the trailer, so I'm wondering if this is his up+B move, thus making it logical to have multiple jumps. I'm not sure about Pit though... To have multiple jumps, and a recovery might give him too good of a recovery.

 

[OnyxVulpine]

I hope they can't jump that much and then float down like when you have a parasol. The wings make sense for them to be like Kirby and Jiggly. Gliding would be a nuisance to me..

 

[Spellbound]

The way I see it there are 2 different floaty characters, the ones like kirby that have the 5 jump along with either no good up-b recovery or a weaker one. Then there are floaties such as peach that can hover/glide.

With this said, I think that metaknight and pit wont be able to glide/hover like peach since they have the 4-5 jumps. If Ridley ends up in the game, my guess is that he could very well be a heavier character cuz it wouldn't make sense if he was a lightweight, and as a heavyweight he wouldn't have the 4-5 jumps but could prolly use his wings to have a hover/glide like peach's. If that is the case i doubt they would make the glide as good as peach's is so it's not as cheap. (and i think ridley would be a cool add to brawl in my opinion but metaknight and pit will still own XD ) l..l,

 

[OnyxVulpine]

Ah yes... Kirby's up-b was his cutter thing right? I remember flying down to my death multiple times.. I don't particularly like the floaty characters, don't think I'll be using Pit and Meta, or Ridley if he gets put in.

 

[ClarkJables]

plus floatys have incredibly slow fall and it looks like the fly moves are ^B moves and not multiple jumps, example being pit.


oh and that e3 06 trailer was allot of cutscene and almost no gameplay, although it looks like metaknight can glide

 

[Spellbound]

ah well, we'll all find out when the game is released! I still need to get the wii though

I'm looking forward to metaknight, I've always liked kirby back on the nes/snes and metaknight was freaking cool then, so yeah

 

[FrozenRoy]

Uhh goateeguy, you really didn't answer any of the questions that I proposed in the topic or state an opinion. Also, how you're saying that the 5 jumps may compensate for the Final Smash being an actual move, not happening. It's in the items section of the dojo, and it's just TOO powerful of a move to be able to use in your characters move set everynow and then.

-w00t post 200.

Actually, everything about Final Smashes so far has been in the "How To Play" section.

 

[OnyxVulpine]

Is Pits up+B is a free roam fly like Pikachu's Final Smash?

 

[Elysium]

ah well, we'll all find out when the game is released! I still need to get the wii though
)

+1!!!
**** Wii's impossible to find.

On topic: I don't think metaknight and Pit's jumps will be the same. I don't know it's kinda hard t explain what i'm thinking at the moment. I think I saw metaknight doing his quick slash thing in the air in a video I saw, and given that he has multiple jumps I think he'll dominate the air (from what we've seen so far.) Maybe his up-B is to glide, which would make him too good at recovery, but perhaps it leaves him open to be edge-guarded to the point of not wanting to use the glide... I don't know.
I haven't seen much on Pit (though I intend on him being the first character I try) but I think if anything he'll have something like Kirby's third jump, something that helps you move like a centimeter, nothing major. I also think that Pit will "Blur the line" on floaties falling a normal speed, and not that of a floatie, which might be a reason to give him a better third jump.... Yeah i'm going in circles here.
As far as Ridley is concerned. I still don't see him as a PC, and the thought of Nintendo pulling a Ness on Ridley would make me cry. I think Ridley would be too good if he was put in, I mean, come on big flying dino-bird thing with(plz be a move) Phozon breath=****-age. I don't see him (if he does get in) as a mulitjumper. If anything he'll pull a Bowser and get a bad first and second jump and get a good horizontal third.... maybe
Does Falco count as a winged character? I want him to come back... lol

I think I covered the main questions. If there is anything you pull from that, it's that I'm calling Metaknight to be the dominate air force in Brawl.

 

[Ben the ultimate]

The only winged characters are Pit and Meta-Knight but there will probably be more of them like Ridley and other characters.

 

[VivaLaPuff]

Funny thing is that Pit has never been able to fly on his own. Kid Icarus would have been so much easier if he were like all other angels and could fly for God's sake.

 

[Convuls1on]

Im just speculating at the fact that more than anything, winged characters jumps might have different heights.

Like for example, Pit and Metaknight have 5 jumps but what if pits jumps are a little shorter, thus having you to jump one or two more times in order to reach the same height.
That to me helps explain why he actually has a recovery upB. (it would also be kinda sweet cuz short hopping could be easier or harder depending on the animations and what not)

 

[goateeguy]

Uhh goateeguy, you really didn't answer any of the questions that I proposed in the topic or state an opinion. Also, how you're saying that the 5 jumps may compensate for the Final Smash being an actual move, not happening. It's in the items section of the dojo, and it's just TOO powerful of a move to be able to use in your characters move set everynow and then.

-w00t post 200.

i guess i wasn't being clear. basically, i said that the only winged char i could think of to be in brawl was ridley, and that he would likely be heavier than the other winged people. if he were to be in it, i would guess he'd be more like peach, only 2 jumps, but good jumps and floaty. smash balls are seen floating in midair before they are taken. no item before them has ever done that, thus implying that they might not be an item, but some object that appears no matter what items are set to. it might just be in the items section because they couldn't find anywhere else to put it. the chances are slim, but it's still possible.

furthermore, i don't think aerial warfare will happen all that much, because they need to come down eventually, and someone will be waiting for them there. the only time kirby would float that high was to drop back down in rock form. my guess is that at any competant level, the 5 jumps will only be used for recovery.

 

[OnyxVulpine]

Pit's Up+B... Well it said that he..

"The "Wings of Icarus" allow Pit to fly freely through the sky!

In actuality, though, Pit is an angel who cannot ordinarily fly.
After a while, he will fall, so be careful."

So I'm guessing its a free roam for maybe two seconds but its not that fast. Afterward he just drops like a rock I suppose.

And his normal jumps might be a bit shorter.. But Metaknight looks like he can definitely glide.

 

[Deleted member]

I was watching the trailers and it seeems that metaknight can glide like knuckles. whether or not that is true depends if it was a cutscene or not.

However, pit can jump multiple times but not really well as seen at the end of trailer 2 during fox's intro. his jump seems more like a float going diagonally down,

 

[Elysium]

So I'm guessing its a free roam for maybe two seconds but its not that fast. Afterward he just drops like a rock I suppose.

Did you mean like kirby's down-B i.e. unable to move while he falls?

 

[Pyroloserkid]

Well from Pit's description and pictures, his recovery move looks pretty good. So 5 jumps plus an awesome recovery? Wow. He also looks like a pretty fast character too. Metaknight looks lightening fast also, but the speed at which he falls makes him look kind of heavy. Since Pit has 5 jumps and a PROBABLY amazing recovery, Metaknight might not just to even out the game. But just like all of us, I'll have no clue until I play it.

 

[OnyxVulpine]

Did you mean like kirby's down-B i.e. unable to move while he falls?

Maybe, maybe not... Hmm, oh not that fast to fall. Just a typical drop with no way to recover.

 

[Pyroloserkid]

I have a feeling Pit's recovery will be like Peach's (the parasol) , but I think it won't last as long considering Pit doesn't fly. The only reason Peach's should last that long is because she could do it in the super mario games.

 

[FrozenRoy]

i guess i wasn't being clear. basically, i said that the only winged char i could think of to be in brawl was ridley, and that he would likely be heavier than the other winged people. if he were to be in it, i would guess he'd be more like peach, only 2 jumps, but good jumps and floaty. smash balls are seen floating in midair before they are taken. no item before them has ever done that, thus implying that they might not be an item, but some object that appears no matter what items are set to. it might just be in the items section because they couldn't find anywhere else to put it. the chances are slim, but it's still possible.

furthermore, i don't think aerial warfare will happen all that much, because they need to come down eventually, and someone will be waiting for them there. the only time kirby would float that high was to drop back down in rock form. my guess is that at any competant level, the 5 jumps will only be used for recovery.

The Smash Ball is NOT in the items sections. Each Final Smash is in the character profiles when added and "What is a Final Smash?" is in the How to Play section.

 

[OnyxVulpine]

Did you mean like kirby's down-B i.e. unable to move while he falls?

I have a feeling Pit's recovery will be like Peach's (the parasol) , but I think it won't last as long considering Pit doesn't fly. The only reason Peach's should last that long is because she could do it in the super mario games.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pit.html

It says he can fly freely, so I am thinking free roam fly for a while.

 

[Paranoid_Android]

I think pit will be a fast faller with five decently sized jumps. He's going to be very agile in the air, and have a decent B Recovery, but his recovery still won't be huge, since he has to jump several times to keep gaining vertical hight.

 

[Pyroloserkid]

Actually, everything about Final Smashes so far has been in the "How To Play" section.

Yes that's true, but check this out.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic02.html

The Final Smash is a secret skill that can be performed but once…and only after obtaining an item called the Smash Ball, which is a precious item, indeed.

The basic gist of it? I suppose you could say it’s kind of like a powerful and personalized hammer. (Or maybe not…)

You can look forward to experiencing the glowing personality behind each of the many Final Smashes!

Sakurai HIMSELF said this. (NOTE the word ITEM.)

 

[Corax]

I don't see what can be so terribly frightening if Pit or Meta have an uber recovery. Look at Jiggly and Samus, they both have really long recoveries, but that doesn't make them impossible (doesn't even make them high tier).
Pits doesn't look too hard to edge guard either. If all he does is shoot straight up, then its just asking for a spike.
Gliding is perfectly balanced from the looks of the trailer, since meta started to lose altitude after a while.
Oh well, they'll all end up being spiked in the end anyway. XD

 

[Pyroloserkid]

I don't see what can be so terribly frightening if Pit or Meta have an uber recovery. Look at Jiggly and Samus, they both have really long recoveries, but that doesn't make them impossible (doesn't even make them high tier).
Pits doesn't look too hard to edge guard either. If all he does is shoot straight up, then its just asking for a spike.
Gliding is perfectly balanced from the looks of the trailer, since meta started to lose altitude after a while.
Oh well, they'll all end up being spiked in the end anyway. XD

Actually, I'm not frightened at all. I'm HOPING that they have really awesome jumps and recoveries because so far they're my favourite characters. Hence my signature. Anyways, in the end, every character gets spiked horribly don't they?

 

[Meta_Owns_Ur_Dad]

Hmmmm...

In the second trailer, you can see Metaknight, in a short scene, he's in mid-air, an he pulls back, and glides. Looks like his over B, i doubt his Up b will be this.

Also, I think Pit will hae bad stats if his recovery is as good as you guys say it is.

Ridley, heh, to balance him, he would have two jumps, horrible recovery, and could be a fast faller. With the fact he would be fast, heavy, and strong, i think its alright. This is just my idea.

 

[goateeguy]

The Smash Ball is NOT in the items sections. Each Final Smash is in the character profiles when added and "What is a Final Smash?" is in the How to Play section.

that's what i thought.

 

[Micahc]

Since when do wings equal floaty? We've had no experience with winged characters yet, so it's impossible to say. All we have is about seven or eight minutes of trailer to go by. So from now on, winged characters=concrete.

 

[DrSuperSteve]

obviously you're gonna have to flap the wiimote/chuck up and down like wings if you wanna go anywhere

 

[goateeguy]

obviously you're gonna have to flap the wiimote/chuck up and down like wings if you wanna go anywhere

ok... sure, that could work...

 

[Pyroloserkid]

Since when do wings equal floaty? We've had no experience with winged characters yet, so it's impossible to say. All we have is about seven or eight minutes of trailer to go by. So from now on, winged characters=concrete.

Hey bud, thanks for reading the TOPIC instead of JUST the title. High five smart one.

obviously you're gonna have to flap the wiimote/chuck up and down like wings if you wanna go anywhere

GENIUS!
-Holds up GIANT sign that reads: "Sarcasm" -

 

[Micahc]

Hey bud, thanks for reading the TOPIC instead of JUST the title. High five smart one.

I did, him flapping multiple times has nothing to do with weight or floatiness. They could have learned the lesson that heavy characters are easier to combo off the edge to a kill.


Plus I just find it stupid to draw conclusions from 8 minutes of non-gameplay footage.

 

[Pyroloserkid]

Who said anything about conclusions? This whole BRAWL part of the site is about guessing and suggesting and speculating.

 

[Micahc]

What can I say? One sided discussions bug the crap outta me. I still say their heavy as heck.

 

[DrSuperSteve]

lol thanks! I was more joking on Nintendo's lack of brawl details and over abundance of wii fit type games...
IMO characters like pit and metaknight should be different than the round floaty's out now. If they were somewhat heavier and had totaly different mobility its gonna add some more sweet dynamics to the game