Will the 3DS Version Be Inferior? (In terms of quality! Not sales!)

[Aureola]

I don't see it as inferior. I kinda think of them as two different games. (Please do not point out they're not really. I don't want to get into an argument here.)

I mean, 3DS version is still a Smash game. It isn't Super Smash Bros 4 1.5- it is basically it's own game. It is completely separate from the WiiU version. You don't need one to play the other.

 

[Mega Dunsparce]

Actually, the 3DS does have online play too, just like the Wii U version.

Here is a list I comprise of the positives that each version has:

3DS:
- Portability (Smash in the car, Smash at a friend's house, Smash in the bathroom! Smash anywhere!)
- Smash Run
- The advantages of having your own screen (being able to choose your outline thickness, being able to set the outline color show your team color instead of having of your character's palette, etc.)

Wii U:
- Stunning HD visuals, and better graphical quality overall (I think it has a better framrate).
- Having the same nostalgia feel of previous Smash games (with you and your friends on a couch, playing Smah on the TV).
- Whatever the Smash Run equivalent is for Wii U (I'd guess something like Melee's Adventure Mode).
- Amiibo at launch (though the 3DS will have an attachement later on).

Not to mention, each version will have its own stages, assist trophies, and trophies.

And the Wii U version will have that stage where Ridley is a Stage Boss and not playable.

Oh, I'm probably not going to buy the Wii U version now.

 

[LeeYawshee]

Because the 3ds version is focused more on 5 minute pick up and play game modes. The wii u version has a few things up its sleeve
1. Bigger, better dipslay
2. Only 1 console is needed
3. Better controls
While it's not a lot of things, they're pretty important when you're talking about a competitive fighting game.

Smash Bros is not a competitive fighting game. It is a party game that can be played competitively. The 3DS version has almost everything the Wii U version has plus more, it is essentially a single player Smash with multiplayer capabilities up all over. The 3DS Smash will also be just fine in competitive play, but there might be a different competitive group for it.

Actually, the 3DS does have online play too, just like the Wii U version.

Here is a list I comprise of the positives that each version has:

3DS:
- Portability (Smash in the car, Smash at a friend's house, Smash in the bathroom! Smash anywhere!)
- Smash Run
- The advantages of having your own screen (being able to choose your outline thickness, being able to set the outline color show your team color instead of having of your character's palette, etc.)

Wii U:
- Stunning HD visuals, and better graphical quality overall (I think it has a better framrate).
- Having the same nostalgia feel of previous Smash games (with you and your friends on a couch, playing Smah on the TV).
- Whatever the Smash Run equivalent is for Wii U (I'd guess something like Melee's Adventure Mode).
- Amiibo at launch (though the 3DS will have an attachement later on).

Not to mention, each version will have its own stages, assist trophies, and trophies.

And the Wii U version will have that stage where Ridley is a Stage Boss and not playable.

The Wii U and 3DS will both run at 60fps. There is not better framerate.

http://www.nintendo.com/amiibo For the guy wondering about the amiibos.

 

[Crome]

Sorry if that made you cry i apologies and i was wrong for doing so. You don't know that, we might see Smash for the Wii U pop up one year then get the shaft the next due to people not liking it. I don't want to go down the assumption road cause my fingers are hurting for posting so much so i'm planning on ending here.

Larger install base is what makes it less inferior to the other version, the gameplay looks similar so i see no point in posting about it when we haven't touched the game.

PS to other users: Won't reply for tonight as my fingers are aching.

Install base has nothing to do with gameplay & competitive viability. And dude, lighten up. You're being so defensive about this.

Smash Bros is not a competitive fighting game. It is a party game that can be played competitively. The 3DS version has almost everything the Wii U version has plus more, it is essentially a single player Smash with multiplayer capabilities up all over. The 3DS Smash will also be just fine in competitive play, but there might be a different competitive group for it.

Right now you can say that, but we do not know anything about the wii u version yet. We'll be flooded with information once the 3ds version release in japan. And I'm calling it right now, there will be very little 3ds tournaments, and the wii u version will be competitively dominant. Feel free to call me out on this next year.

 

[LeeYawshee]

Ignore this post

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Official or speculation? And if official, source?

Official. I'm pretty sure that it was said when Amiibo was announced during the Digital Event, or in that video with Bill Trinen.

 

[Raijinken]

Actually, the 3DS does have online play too, just like the Wii U version.

Here is a list I comprise of the positives that each version has:

3DS:
- Portability (Smash in the car, Smash at a friend's house, Smash in the bathroom! Smash anywhere!)
- Smash Run
- The advantages of having your own screen (being able to choose your outline thickness, being able to set the outline color show your team color instead of having of your character's palette, etc.)

Wii U:
- Stunning HD visuals, and better graphical quality overall (I think it has a better framrate).
- Having the same nostalgia feel of previous Smash games (with you and your friends on a couch, playing Smah on the TV).
- Whatever the Smash Run equivalent is for Wii U (I'd guess something like Melee's Adventure Mode).
- Amiibo at launch (though the 3DS will have an attachement later on).

Not to mention, each version will have its own stages, assist trophies, and trophies.

And the Wii U version will have that stage where Ridley is a Stage Boss and not playable.

Since the 3DS is set to have a 60fps framerate for all important elements, if the U has a better framerate, it will only be visibly apparent if you have a TV that refreshes faster than 60hz (which, while growing in popularity, to my knowledge they're not quite wide-spread yet).

And, at least from my expectations, there will be little difference between four players sitting on a couch and playing on a TV compared to four players sitting on couches and playing on their 3DSes. Save that if someone rages and throws their controller, they're damaging their own property and don't risk pulling someone else's console off the shelf.

And to add some more positives:
3DS - Customizations (or at least, ease of unlocking)
Wii U - Musical variety

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Fixed the title for extra clarification.

Smash Bros is not a competitive fighting game. It is a party game that can be played competitively. The 3DS version has almost everything the Wii U version has plus more, it is essentially a single player Smash with multiplayer capabilities up all over. The 3DS Smash will also be just fine in competitive play, but there might be a different competitive group for it.

I wouldn't say that the 3DS version has more, considering we don't actually know much about the Wii U version outside of the normal fighting mode.
We just have a lot more 3DS information since it is launching pretty soon.
After it comes out, we will get a crap ton of Wii U info, hopefully on that "Adventure Mode," that will be the equivalent to Smash Run.

Oh, I'm probably not going to buy the Wii U version now.

Could I ask why, dear friend?

 

[LeeYawshee]

Install base has nothing to do with gameplay & competitive viability. And dude, lighten up. You're being so defensive about this.


Right now you can say that, but we do not know anything about the wii u version yet. We'll be flooded with information once the 3ds version release in japan. And I'm calling it right now, there will be very little 3ds tournaments, and the wii u version will be competitively dominant. Feel free to call me out on this next year.

I won't call you out, because I know you'll be right. But that's not what I said, was it? I said that the 3DS will be competitive in it's own right. It's own way with different stages and different controllers.

But that doesn't make the 3DS version inferior. Maybe in a competitive sense, but in a game design sense? Far from it.

Super Smash Brothers for 3DS will be a fantastic game in the Smash Bros series that gives us what we all wanted: Handheld Smash. We'll finally be able to Smash when on those boring car rides and when taking those annoyingly long bathroom breaks! You can spew all of your competitive stuff as much as you want, but it won't change the fact that the 3DS version will be the farthest thing from inferior. Graphics don't make a game. The game makes a game.

Fixed the title for extra clarification.


I wouldn't say that the 3DS version has more, considering we don't actually know much about the Wii U version outside of the normal fighting mode.
We just have a lot more 3DS information since it is launching pretty soon.
After it comes out, we will get a crap ton of Wii U info, hopefully on that "Adventure Mode," that will be the equivalent to Smash Run.

I really do not want to sound rude so if I do, please forgive me.

Pay attention to the wording in my post when I say "The 3DS version will have ALMOST everything that the WiiU version has plus more".

It won't have more than the Wii U, but it will have stuff the Wii U doesn't. Then again... I guess I could have worded it better. My apologies either way.

Fixed the title for extra clarification.


I wouldn't say that the 3DS version has more, considering we don't actually know much about the Wii U version outside of the normal fighting mode.
We just have a lot more 3DS information since it is launching pretty soon.
After it comes out, we will get a crap ton of Wii U info, hopefully on that "Adventure Mode," that will be the equivalent to Smash Run.

I really do not want to sound rude so if I do, please forgive me.

Pay attention to the wording in my post when I say "The 3DS version will have ALMOST everything that the WiiU version has plus more".

It won't have more than the Wii U, but it will have stuff the Wii U doesn't. Then again... I guess I could have worded it better. My apologies either way.

 

[Mega Dunsparce]

Fixed the title for extra clarification.


I wouldn't say that the 3DS version has more, considering we don't actually know much about the Wii U version outside of the normal fighting mode.
We just have a lot more 3DS information since it is launching pretty soon.
After it comes out, we will get a crap ton of Wii U info, hopefully on that "Adventure Mode," that will be the equivalent to Smash Run.


Could I ask why, dear friend?

I prefer the 3ds version.
Which is kind of your fault for telling me both have online play.

 

[TheDMonroeShow]

Smash Bros is not a competitive fighting game. It is a party game that can be played competitively. The 3DS version has almost everything the Wii U version has plus more, it is essentially a single player Smash with multiplayer capabilities up all over. The 3DS Smash will also be just fine in competitive play, but there might be a different competitive group for it.
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People were already complaining about the lack of wired controllers before the gc adapter was announced because of the wireless interference, do you really think you could run a whole tournament with this issue?

Sorry if that made you cry i apologies and i was wrong for doing so. You don't know that, we might see Smash for the Wii U pop up one year then get the shaft the next due to people not liking it. I don't want to go down the assumption road cause my fingers are hurting for posting so much so i'm planning on ending here.
.

>Implying evo would ever have any portable game

 

[LeeYawshee]

People were already complaining about the lack of wired controllers before the gc adapter was announced because of the wireless interference, do you really think you could run a whole tournament with this issue?


>Implying evo would ever have any portable game

Yes, because a small number of people complaining about a controller does not equal people wanting to fight in the Smash 3DS version. While the pros are all fighting in that new shiny Wii U version, we'll have a new batch of newcomers playing on the 3DS version and slowly bringing it up. No fighting game scene was made overnight.

 

[Raijinken]

People were already complaining about the lack of wired controllers before the gc adapter was announced because of the wireless interference, do you really think you could run a whole tournament with this issue?

It's quite possible to have smaller tournaments, or in a worst case scenario, scrap the point of the 3DS version and just run a handful of matches at a time at a tournament to cut down on the interference. It can be worked with/around if people are resourceful and actually try.

A lot of it will boil down to having to consider different conditions and adjust accordingly. Larger venues may be able to separate the player groups over a fair distance. It will also depend on how the lobby hosting is handled on the game's end.

 

[Beczam1290]

Personally i would pick the 3ds version if i had a wii u i would totally get smash for it but i feel like i will be spending more time with the 3ds version since im always out plus i can play with my friends who dont have a wii u. Also my tv is always being hogged by other family members so even if i didnt like the 3ds version i would have to deal with it. Plus i just like the 3ds version more

 

[Beczam1290]

It's quite possible to have smaller tournaments, or in a worst case scenario, scrap the point of the 3DS version and just run a handful of matches at a time at a tournament to cut down on the interference. It can be worked with/around if people are resourceful and actually try.

A lot of it will boil down to having to consider different conditions and adjust accordingly. Larger venues may be able to separate the player groups over a fair distance. It will also depend on how the lobby hosting is handled on the game's end.

I feel like the 3ds can have tournaments but it could be a bring your own 3ds tournament with extra 3dss if you dont have one i feel like this would be cool

 

[Blue Ninjakoopa]

The Wii U is looking to have a decent library of games in the coming years (and on top of that, its sales got boosted by Mario Kart 8; never underestimate dedicated fans, who'd all be quick to buy a console for one game because of how much they'll enjoy it), so it's wrong to write it off as inferior to the 3DS on its potentially and likely superior sales merit. Of course it will sell better, but that's not out of preference, it's out of convenience. Imagine if this were Brawl, and it had a DS counterpart (or Melee, with a GBA counterpart). I'm pretty sure the home console version would still be preferred. Or, simply imagine if the Wii U was as popular as the Wii or GameCube were about 2 years after their respective launch dates. I repeat that SSBU would be the preferred version.

As somewhat of an optimist, I'm hoping that everybody will buy both versions as to avoid a split in the community (yeah, I know they're kind of split on SSB64, Melee, and Brawl (especially Melee and Brawl), but to have a split community on a single installment? Zoinks.)

And even if there will be more 3DS players, that doesn't mean that those same players won't eventually get a Wii U and SSBU. Money is important, yes, but I doubt 3DS players will play SSB3DS and be like "Yep, this one's better, f**k the Wii U." I'm better off imagining this scenario: "Hey, this is pretty cool, I can't wait to try out the Wii U version after I get my money right."

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I prefer the 3ds version.
Which is kind of your fault for telling me both have online play.

Yes, but why?

EDIT: I just saw your edit.
There's more stuff to the Wii U version that makes it unique.
Personally, I think the stages are more fun. And it also has beautiful graphics and music.

And it will probably be bundled with an Amiibo or two, and this beauty,

Spoiler

Eh, you'll probably turn over after the 3DS one comes out and we get more info.

 

[Raijinken]

I feel like the 3ds can have tournaments but it could be a bring your own 3ds tournament with extra 3dss if you dont have one i feel like this would be cool

Definitely possible, but it IS a valid point that if you get too many wireless devices in an area, they may interfere with each other.

My friends and I will be testing with about 8-10 3DSes in a room on launch night. We'll probably find out verrrrry quickly whether or not it works well or not.

 

[Crome]

@ LeeYawshee
You can't really say "3ds is the wii u version + more" (Edit: I think you back tracked on this, not sure) yet, we haven't been given any information on the wii u version at all. The 3ds will probably have more game modes, but that doesn't mean the wii u is a free for all machine. So, we agree that wii u will be the competitive choice, but for local multiplayer? Still probably wii u. Let's get a situation going here, 4 friends wanting to smash together.
3ds:
The system
$140 x 4=$560
Game
40 x 4 = 160
To have a 4 player free for all with you're friends, it's 180 per person, or $720 in total.

Wii u
System
$200 x 1 = 200
Game
$60 x 1 = $60
Controllers (assuming wii u pro controllers)
4 x $40 = $160
$420 for one person, $380 if someone uses the gamepad/some other controller.

The only leg up the 3ds has is portability. And even on car rides the wii u has the leg up. Just buy an adapter for your car electrical socket, and play on the gamepad.

 

[Beczam1290]

Definitely possible, but it IS a valid point that if you get too many wireless devices in an area, they may interfere with each other.

My friends and I will be testing with about 8-10 3DSes in a room on launch night. We'll probably find out verrrrry quickly whether or not it works well or not.

Yeah but it will only be 4 3ds being used at once

 

[Beczam1290]

@ LeeYawshee
You can't really say "3ds is the wii u version + more" (Edit: I think you back tracked on this, not sure) yet, we haven't been given any information on the wii u version at all. The 3ds will probably have more game modes, but that doesn't mean the wii u is a free for all machine. So, we agree that wii u will be the competitive choice, but for local multiplayer? Still probably wii u. Let's get a situation going here, 4 friends wanting to smash together.
3ds:
The system
$140 x 4=$560
Game
40 x 4 = 160
To have a 4 player free for all with you're friends, it's 180 per person, or $720 in total.

Wii u
System
$200 x 1 = 200
Game
$60 x 1 = $60
Controllers (assuming wii u pro controllers)
4 x $40 = $160
$420 for one person, $380 if someone uses the gamepad/some other controller.

The only leg up the 3ds has is portability. And even on car rides the wii u has the leg up. Just buy an adapter for your car electrical socket, and play on the gamepad.

Always someone that makes the 3ds version inferrior the way i see it is its 2 sides of one coin to get the full smash experience you NEED BOTH.

 

[Mega Dunsparce]

Yes, but why?

...I just told you, well here's a recap, I spend much more time on my 3ds, the portability, and it's cheaper which is a plus. Now do understand Bidoofus???

 

[Sensei]

This is all just speculation based on our assumptions and available knowledge of a game that hasn't even come out yet. Obviously, the graphics will be inferior and the games will be slightly different. I really like the 3DS stages and the fact you can challenge anybody nearby with the game to a duel of Smash!

 

[Mega Dunsparce]

Yes, but why?

EDIT: I just saw your edit.
There's more stuff to the Wii U version that makes it unique.
Personally, I think the stages are more fun. And it also has beautiful graphics and music.

And it will probably be bundled with an Amiibo or two, and this beauty,

Spoiler

Eh, you'll probably turn over after the 3DS one comes out and we get more info.

Uh no.

 

[LeeYawshee]

@ LeeYawshee
You can't really say "3ds is the wii u version + more" (Edit: I think you back tracked on this, not sure) yet, we haven't been given any information on the wii u version at all. The 3ds will probably have more game modes, but that doesn't mean the wii u is a free for all machine. So, we agree that wii u will be the competitive choice, but for local multiplayer? Still probably wii u. Let's get a situation going here, 4 friends wanting to smash together.
3ds:
The system
$140 x 4=$560
Game
40 x 4 = 160
To have a 4 player free for all with you're friends, it's 180 per person, or $720 in total.

Wii u
System
$200 x 1 = 200
Game
$60 x 1 = $60
Controllers (assuming wii u pro controllers)
4 x $40 = $160
$420 for one person, $380 if someone uses the gamepad/some other controller.

The only leg up the 3ds has is portability. And even on car rides the wii u has the leg up. Just buy an adapter for your car electrical socket, and play on the gamepad.

Yeah sure, but buying a car adapter depends on a few things
1. The car
2. The adapter
3. The people driving (yes, some people don't like that).

Actually, most people that are getting Smash already have a 3DS, so money is all about the cost of the games. Local multiplayer has always been more popular in handheld consoles because of the fact that you can do it almost everywhere including but not limited to:

1. Outside! Maybe in a school courtyard or something
2. Waiting rooms in appointments
3. Under the bed sheets
4. During power outages
5. At a bus (or bus stop)
6. At a market (I've seen a lot of people trading Pokemon at these)
7. Places where you are not allowed to use a WiiU and/or times where you are not allowed to use a WiiU.
8. When your mom tells you to study for a test but you act like you're studying and instead you're playing Smash on the 3DS. BOOYEAH Be responsible, study for your tests.

And if you're not playing with others you can also play:
1. On an airplane (turn wireless off)
2. At school, if all of your friends are absent and you just wanna chill in the corner
3. While typing out all of these places (I'm playing Dragon Quest IX as I think up more places on my 3DS)

I'll probably add on to this post if I think of any more.

 

[Crome]

Yeah sure, but buying a car adapter depends on a few things
1. The car
2. The adapter
3. The people driving (yes, some people don't like that).

Actually, most people that are getting Smash already have a 3DS, so money is all about the cost of the games. Local multiplayer has always been more popular in handheld consoles because of the fact that you can do it almost everywhere including but not limited to:

1. Outside! Maybe in a school courtyard or something
2. Waiting rooms in appointments
3. Under the bed sheets
4. During power outages
5. At a bus (or bus stop)
6. At a market (I've seen a lot of people trading Pokemon at these)
7. Places where you are not allowed to use a WiiU and/or times where you are not allowed to use a WiiU.
8. When your mom tells you to study for a test but you act like you're studying and instead you're playing Smash on the 3DS. BOOYEAH Be responsible, study for your tests.

And if you're not playing with others you can also play:
1. On an airplane (turn wireless off)
2. At school, if all of your friends are absent and you just wanna chill in the corner
3. While typing out all of these places (I'm playing Dragon Quest IX as I think up more places on my 3DS)

I'll probably add on to this post if I think of any more.

We've already established that the 3ds is portable. And if you're gonna buy a car just to play smash bros in it you probably have issues.

 

[LeeYawshee]

We've already established that the 3ds is portable. And if you're gonna buy a car just to play smash bros in it you probably have issues.

You completely missed the point of that post, good sir.

Firstly, I wasn't stating that it was portable, I was stating where you could play local multiplayer. You claimed that playing on the WiiU was better when it came to local but I however had a different perspective and stated all of the different places you can play local multiplayer at and why it is a generally better experience.

Secondly, You also stated that you could play in a car with an adapter to which I said that you would need the right car and equipment, making it a tad unconventional.

Lastly, the cost: Money is completely dependent on how you buy, where, when, and if you buy a WiiU/3DS with it. More people also have the 3DS than the Wii U (by a massively large margin) and the 3DS may be popular if people get the mindset that "My friend is gonna get Smash, so I won't need it on the WiiU"

 

[Crome]

You completely missed the point of that post, good sir.

Firstly, I wasn't stating that it was portable, I was stating where you could play local multiplayer. You claimed that playing on the WiiU was better when it came to local but I however had a different perspective and stated all of the different places you can play local multiplayer at and why it is a generally better experience.

Secondly, You also stated that you could play in a car with an adapter to which I said that you would need the right car and equipment, making it a tad unconventional.

Lastly, the cost: Money is completely dependent on how you buy, where, when, and if you buy a WiiU/3DS with it. More people also have the 3DS than the Wii U (by a massively large margin) and the 3DS may be popular if people get the mindset that "My friend is gonna get Smash, so I won't need it on the WiiU"

Your car point is kind of mute. If you don't have a car you probably shouldn't be getting video games. I believe most cars come with an outlet somewhere, and the adapter is like 15 bucks.
And in your other points you are right, the 3ds is more portable. But again, this is established.
I think we've hit a little bit of a road block. Wii u will be better for couch multiplayer, but 3ds for multiplayer anywhere.
Agree to disagree?

 

[LeeYawshee]

Your car point is kind of mute. If you don't have a car you probably shouldn't be getting video games. I believe most cars come with an outlet somewhere, and the adapter is like 15 bucks.
And in your other points you are right, the 3ds is more portable. But again, this is established.
I think we've hit a little bit of a road block. Wii u will be better for couch multiplayer, but 3ds for multiplayer anywhere.
Agree to disagree?

Yeah, let's not end this on good terms. Good debate though.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

yeah i would imagine they delayed the wiiu vesion till winter is because they wanted that to be the competitive staple. but i do know that there is a plethora of music in the wiiu version while the 3ds will have only 2 per level.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Yeah but it will only be 4 3ds being used at once

You think you're going to stop people from doing friendlies with each other all night or something?

 

[Potpourri]

Most of the things that people are hating on the 3DS version for are little things.

• No HD and worse graphics? Its a DS, what do you expect?
• Slower framerate? Sorry, but it's been confirmed that everything but assist trophies will run at 60fps.
• Bad controls? The controls aren't bad, the controller is different. Learn to adapt.
• Lack of "good" local multiplayer? That is quite possibly the only negative aspect about Smash 3DS, and even then, you should've known that a portable smash would not have multiple people playing on the same system. Once again, it's a DS, what do you expect?

Bottom line: Stop finding unnecessary ways to hate the 3DS version. Its an amazing game in it's own right. In fact, if Wii U doesn't have an exclusive mode that's better/equally good than Smash Run, which I doubt, I'd go the length to say that the 3DS version is better, but as many people said before, it's a matter of preference.

 

[BindingBlade]

yeah i would imagine they delayed the wiiu vesion till winter is because they wanted that to be the competitive staple. but i do know that there is a plethora of music in the wiiu version while the 3ds will have only 2 per level.

That literally made me do a quadruple take. I still don't understand it.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Most of the things that people are hating on the 3DS version for are little things.

• No HD and worse graphics? Its a DS, what do you expect?
• Slower framerate? Sorry, but it's been confirmed that everything but assist trophies will run at 60fps.
• Bad controls? The controls aren't bad, the controller is different. Learn to adapt.
• Lack of "good" local multiplayer? That is quite possibly the only negative aspect about Smash 3DS, and even then, you should've known that a portable smash would not have multiple people playing on the same system. Once again, it's a DS, what do you expect?

Bottom line: Stop finding unnecessary ways to hate the 3DS version. Its an amazing game in it's own right. In fact, if Wii U doesn't have an exclusive mode that's better/equally good than Smash Run, which I doubt, I'd go the length to say that the 3DS version is better, but as many people said before, it's a matter of preference.

nobody hear is hating on it. (i think) im buying both versions but i think the wiiu version will be competitively superior

 

[BindingBlade]

Most of the things that people are hating on the 3DS version for are little things.

• No HD and worse graphics? Its a DS, what do you expect?
• Slower framerate? Sorry, but it's been confirmed that everything but assist trophies will run at 60fps.
• Bad controls? The controls aren't bad, the controller is different. Learn to adapt.
• Lack of "good" local multiplayer? That is quite possibly the only negative aspect about Smash 3DS, and even then, you should've known that a portable smash would not have multiple people playing on the same system. Once again, it's a DS, what do you expect?

Bottom line: Stop finding unnecessary ways to hate the 3DS version. Its an amazing game in it's own right. In fact, if Wii U doesn't have an exclusive mode that's better/equally good than Smash Run, which I doubt, I'd go the length to say that the 3DS version is better, but as many people said before, it's a matter of preference.

I (for the most part) agree. Well stated, sir.

 

[staindgrey]

But the point of Smash's multiplayer features is that you can gather anyone to your home and play. 3DS doesn't have this. Everyone needs to spend money on their own system and their own copy of the game. And there are a lot of cases where people won't mutually own the game or even the system.

This isn't an issue with the Wii U because all one needs are the multiple controllers, and if someone expects to have gaming friends over often, they will have the controllers and it's all around more worth it because buying four 3DS's and four copies of the game is going to cost a fortune. While everyone could just pool together and spend money on the Wii U, game, and necessary controllers, and that would be cheaper, especially if they already have the controllers.

This is the point I've wanted to say, but never have.

The reason Smash is so endearing as a franchise isn't gameplay alone. It's the fact that it's one of the few fighters-- possibly the only-- that can bring together four or more people with varying levels of interest and skill in the game and allow them all to have fun. I've made friends I otherwise wouldn't have simply due to our shared interest in casual Smash. I've orchestrated "guys' nights out" at my old job using just pizza, Mario Kart and Smash-- even though only two of those six guys even owned a Nintendo console. I can guarantee Street Fighter and Blazblue, as great as they are, don't have that same type of appeal.

Without the shared TV and necessity of only one console, I don't think Smash 4 3DS will ever become what the Wii U version has the potential to be. It will be a fantastic game. It will arguably even have the better solo/online experience. But what it will not be is exactly what makes Smash games so community-driven: very, very easily sociable.

Granted, I'm saying this at my age. If I were in middleschool again, the 3DS version would be fine because all of my friends and myself would own a 3DS and likely a copy of the game. But the older you get, the harder it will be to gather new friends who just happen to have a 3DS and Smash and replicate what a simple Gamecube and TV can accomplish.

 

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You can't really say "3ds is the wii u version + more" (Edit: I think you back tracked on this, not sure) yet, we haven't been given any information on the wii u version at all. The 3ds will probably have more game modes, but that doesn't mean the wii u is a free for all machine. So, we agree that wii u will be the competitive choice, but for local multiplayer? Still probably wii u. Let's get a situation going here, 4 friends wanting to smash together.
3ds:
The system
$140 x 4=$560
Game
40 x 4 = 160
To have a 4 player free for all with you're friends, it's 180 per person, or $720 in total.

Wii u
System
$200 x 1 = 200
Game
$60 x 1 = $60
Controllers (assuming wii u pro controllers)
4 x $40 = $160
$420 for one person, $380 if someone uses the gamepad/some other controller.

The only leg up the 3ds has is portability. And even on car rides the wii u has the leg up. Just buy an adapter for your car electrical socket, and play on the gamepad.

First thing to note: The Wii U itself is typically around $300 new, not $200, at least at the sources I checked.

Like I mentioned elsewhere (perhaps on this thread), the preference of a U vs a 3DS will largely depend on the group you're playing with.

For people who have regular free time to play and travel to a common playing location, or are living in a persistent living arrangement, or are siblings sharing a system, then chipping in on a system to share for an extended period of time may be the way to go. This is assuming there is already an acceptable TV to play on. However, this requires the system remain in one location, which puts the other players at the mercy of the primary owner as far as when they are able to play. For instance, if my friends all chipped in and we got a Wii U to keep at my suite at school, we would only have access to it there, and I would have an exceptionally high rate of access, which could also give me a skill advantage via increased practice time. No matter how much free time my friends have, they cannot even reach the system unless I or another suitemate with a key are able to let them into the building.

For some other groups, such as mine, the 3DS becomes the better choice on average. This is because each player needs not worry about investing partially in a system that they will not fully control, and instead of one person shouldering all of the cost (or having partial ownership), each player individually can purchase their own system and game. While it is a higher average cost to play (A standard 3DS runs about $170 new, for the record), each player is left with their own system, which they can play on their own time (when not everyone is able to meet up), and get their own games for without worrying about their playtime being at the mercy of the system owner. While we're all paying more, we also all fully own the game and system, and can still use someone's U version if/when it is available.

 

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First thing to note: The Wii U itself is typically around $300 new, not $200, at least at the sources I checked.

Like I mentioned elsewhere (perhaps on this thread), the preference of a U vs a 3DS will largely depend on the group you're playing with.

For people who have regular free time to play and travel to a common playing location, or are living in a persistent living arrangement, or are siblings sharing a system, then chipping in on a system to share for an extended period of time may be the way to go. This is assuming there is already an acceptable TV to play on. However, this requires the system remain in one location, which puts the other players at the mercy of the primary owner as far as when they are able to play. For instance, if my friends all chipped in and we got a Wii U to keep at my suite at school, we would only have access to it there, and I would have an exceptionally high rate of access, which could also give me a skill advantage via increased practice time. No matter how much free time my friends have, they cannot even reach the system unless I or another suitemate with a key are able to let them into the building.

For some other groups, such as mine, the 3DS becomes the better choice on average. This is because each player needs not worry about investing partially in a system that they will not fully control, and instead of one person shouldering all of the cost (or having partial ownership), each player individually can purchase their own system and game. While it is a higher average cost to play (A standard 3DS runs about $170 new, for the record), each player is left with their own system, which they can play on their own time (when not everyone is able to meet up), and get their own games for without worrying about their playtime being at the mercy of the system owner. While we're all paying more, we also all fully own the game and system, and can still use someone's U version if/when it is available.

Also, you don't even have to be around each other to play. I would've loved to have it this summer when most of my friends that play Smash with me were out of state.

Will we play the WiiU version? Yes. I'm not happy about it- I'm the only one with the console. However, if we don't want to/can't play there, we can still play the game. There's four 3ds between us six.

 

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First thing to note: The Wii U itself is typically around $300 new, not $200, at least at the sources I checked.

Like I mentioned elsewhere (perhaps on this thread), the preference of a U vs a 3DS will largely depend on the group you're playing with.

For people who have regular free time to play and travel to a common playing location, or are living in a persistent living arrangement, or are siblings sharing a system, then chipping in on a system to share for an extended period of time may be the way to go. This is assuming there is already an acceptable TV to play on. However, this requires the system remain in one location, which puts the other players at the mercy of the primary owner as far as when they are able to play. For instance, if my friends all chipped in and we got a Wii U to keep at my suite at school, we would only have access to it there, and I would have an exceptionally high rate of access, which could also give me a skill advantage via increased practice time. No matter how much free time my friends have, they cannot even reach the system unless I or another suitemate with a key are able to let them into the building.

For some other groups, such as mine, the 3DS becomes the better choice on average. This is because each player needs not worry about investing partially in a system that they will not fully control, and instead of one person shouldering all of the cost (or having partial ownership), each player individually can purchase their own system and game. While it is a higher average cost to play (A standard 3DS runs about $170 new, for the record), each player is left with their own system, which they can play on their own time (when not everyone is able to meet up), and get their own games for without worrying about their playtime being at the mercy of the system owner. While we're all paying more, we also all fully own the game and system, and can still use someone's U version if/when it is available.

https://store.nintendo.com/ng3/us/po/browse/productDetailColorSizePicker.jsp?productId=prod150200
And it does make sense. I usually hang out with 4 friends, and only 2 of them (including I) own 3ds, so I have a bias for wii u. Still think the wii u is gonna be the more comfortable version to play though.

 

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https://store.nintendo.com/ng3/us/po/browse/productDetailColorSizePicker.jsp?productId=prod150200
And it does make sense. I usually hang out with 4 friends, and only 2 of them (including I) own 3ds, so I have a bias for wii u. Still think the wii u is gonna be the more comfortable version to play though.

Ah, that's the difference. I was checking Wal-Mart and Gamestop, which just about only carry the bundles that run about $300.

And yeah, I agree that the U version is probably going to be more comfortable (hard to make a controller better than the Gamecube controller after all). I'm just trying to point out to people that each version has its advantages, and there's a lot of room for preference and situation, since for the first time ever we have a real option about which to get.