I dont freaking get it, I can beat my brother easily with fox, I play the game almost 24/7. I cant wavedash, I cant l-cancel, i cant shinespike, i cant do any kinds of combos. Even a level 9 can beat me. Everytime i try and practice wavedashing and that stuff I cant because i can never pull it off. What is wrong with me?
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Why do I suck?
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Uzi
Smash Rookie
My guess is that u don't have a good teacher. Atleast you're not a noob and actually try to learn those things. 
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Well first thing's first- don't play lvl 9s. they make you play worse. Practice combos ect on lvl 1s.
As for the Wavedashing and stuff, just make sure you're doing it properly and then practice is all it takes. Btw, don't play 24/7... you'll regret it later cause no game is worth it
As for the Wavedashing and stuff, just make sure you're doing it properly and then practice is all it takes. Btw, don't play 24/7... you'll regret it later cause no game is worth it
Spoon Man
Smash Apprentice
I dunno about you, but I played smash for roughly 2-3 years before even learning about the metagame, what with wavedashing and all that. I just read some guides, watch a tutorial vid, and spent about 30 minutes a day practicing various things.
cowboyardee
Smash Journeyman
you need better competition and (a lot) more time.
Advanced techs are frustrating at first, but pretty much everyone who makes a consistent effort gets the hang of them after a while (sometimes several months) of trying.
There's thousands of kids who play this game alllllll the time, and the majority of them are still middling to terrible. If you want to get better, play a variety of good opponents often (especially in tournaments if possible), study the info on this site extensively, and study pro videos. And even then, don't expect to get good quickly.
Advanced techs are frustrating at first, but pretty much everyone who makes a consistent effort gets the hang of them after a while (sometimes several months) of trying.
There's thousands of kids who play this game alllllll the time, and the majority of them are still middling to terrible. If you want to get better, play a variety of good opponents often (especially in tournaments if possible), study the info on this site extensively, and study pro videos. And even then, don't expect to get good quickly.
To help you understand why you "suck":
1. Your brother is horrible at the game, so easily beating him means nothing. Play someone better than yourself. So you don't win all the time, but you're doing to adapt, get better, and increase your chances.
2. Playing 24/7, and playing badly at that is non-productive. You're killing your social life.
3. "I cant wavedash, I cant l-cancel, i cant shinespike, i cant do any kinds of combos."
-You answered your own question.
What's wrong with you?
It takes time to learn the advance techniques, be patient, go through the guides and perform the movements accordingly. There's no point in practicing if you're going about it the wrong away. If you're doing something that doesn't work. Change your methods, don't be constrained by unneccesary barriers.
1. Your brother is horrible at the game, so easily beating him means nothing. Play someone better than yourself. So you don't win all the time, but you're doing to adapt, get better, and increase your chances.
2. Playing 24/7, and playing badly at that is non-productive. You're killing your social life.
3. "I cant wavedash, I cant l-cancel, i cant shinespike, i cant do any kinds of combos."
-You answered your own question.
What's wrong with you?
It takes time to learn the advance techniques, be patient, go through the guides and perform the movements accordingly. There's no point in practicing if you're going about it the wrong away. If you're doing something that doesn't work. Change your methods, don't be constrained by unneccesary barriers
.Thats the problem, my brother is decent, but I can easily own him, and he doesnt play that often, and only 1 of my friends plays smash bros -.-
Your brother is decent according to you. And apparently you can wipe the floor with him and you suck. How is your brother decent then? Your reasoning doesn't make any sense.
And only one of your friends play smash? hah GET NEW FRIENDS
Spoon Man
Smash Apprentice
^ actually that's really good advice, start up a inner-circle of smash type of thing. Like an afterschool club or something.
cowboyardee
Smash Journeyman
The nice thing about this game is that there is a smash community **** near everywhere if you look for it. People are willing to drive (sometimes a long way) for smash. And smashers are usually willing to play with anyone if they're nice. Where are you located s4br3? If you're in or near a major american city, there's most definitely a smash community nearby waiting for you to find them. If you're not near a major american city, even then you have pretty decent chances.
Look in the regional section for more competition.
Pye
Smash Journeyman
EDIT: Just to answer that question about finding people near you, check out the "Regional Zones" section of this very forum (it's called something like that). Find the thread relating to your area and post there. Also, theres a google earth addon who's name escapes me (Global Smasher something) that can be used to locate smashers all over the world. If someone else can elaborate on this tool, it sounds like a good bet (if it works the way I think it does).
The advanced techs in Smash have to be 100% instinct. When you're trying to aerial an opponent, you can't think "shorthop, aerial, fastfall, L-cancel", you have to think "shffl".
Acualy, scratch that. You shouldn't think at all about it.
It takes several months for the average new player to learn all these techs well enough to be fluently used in combat.
Here, try this. Let's assume for the sake of arguement that you want to play Falco (I personally play Falco, so it's easier for him to be the example). Go into training mode or an endless melee one time in your spare time. Practice, say, the SHL (shorthop laser, a Falco-specific technique. All characters have something character-specific you'll need to learn to do). Once you can do it more or less, ask your brother to play with you. Pick Falco, and use a rediculously excessive amount of SHL against him. Tack on at least 75% a stock on lasers alone against him.
Once you are proficient with your laser, go into training again and learn something else, like say, shffling. Once you can do that somewhat, play against you brother and use nothing but shffled aerials at him. Dosn't matter which aerial, just spam shffled stuff in his face. Take whole stocks with shffls and SHL (which you should now be able to approach and cover your retreats with as well).
And so on and so forth, until your tech skill is proficient. Yes, this is a long process. Yes, it is tedious. Yes, it is **** well worth it. As already mentioned by other members, finding some players who are better then you to teach you this stuff and play against (you can meet many, many people at tournaments) will accelerate the learning process ten-fold.
But most importantly, don't give up! It's far from impossible to learn the advanced techs of Smash.
The advanced techs in Smash have to be 100% instinct. When you're trying to aerial an opponent, you can't think "shorthop, aerial, fastfall, L-cancel", you have to think "shffl".
Acualy, scratch that. You shouldn't think at all about it.
It takes several months for the average new player to learn all these techs well enough to be fluently used in combat.
Here, try this. Let's assume for the sake of arguement that you want to play Falco (I personally play Falco, so it's easier for him to be the example). Go into training mode or an endless melee one time in your spare time. Practice, say, the SHL (shorthop laser, a Falco-specific technique. All characters have something character-specific you'll need to learn to do). Once you can do it more or less, ask your brother to play with you. Pick Falco, and use a rediculously excessive amount of SHL against him. Tack on at least 75% a stock on lasers alone against him.
Once you are proficient with your laser, go into training again and learn something else, like say, shffling. Once you can do that somewhat, play against you brother and use nothing but shffled aerials at him. Dosn't matter which aerial, just spam shffled stuff in his face. Take whole stocks with shffls and SHL (which you should now be able to approach and cover your retreats with as well).
And so on and so forth, until your tech skill is proficient. Yes, this is a long process. Yes, it is tedious. Yes, it is **** well worth it. As already mentioned by other members, finding some players who are better then you to teach you this stuff and play against (you can meet many, many people at tournaments) will accelerate the learning process ten-fold.
But most importantly, don't give up! It's far from impossible to learn the advanced techs of Smash.
Yeah, I'm pretty new to the game too, and I just started playing seriously late last summer. I didn't even have a GC until mid-November. Anyway, it took me the longest time to get how to wavedash; you probably already know the controls are SH (X,Y, whatever)+tilted air dodge to the ground (tilted control stick [to bottom left or bottom right]+L or R]. The thing with wavedashing is that you don't do all three things at the same time. First short hop by slightly touching the X or Y button (it's usually easier at the corner), and then, do a diagonal air dodge to the ground. The timing for the wavedash is a little different for each character, and the distance for each wavedash is different as well. Fox's WD, in my opinion, is actually one of the harder ones because the time between the SH and the air dodge is so short. I'd say as soon as you begin to lift your finger from the X or Y button, start to air dodge. Also, backward air dodges seem easier for me than forward ones, so you should probably try those first. If you can't do it with Fox, try luigi, the Ice Climbers, or Marth, their wavedashes are more noticeable and a bit easier to do, though all of them are still pretty fast.
Miharu
Smash Hero
Yes, do exactly as Pye said. Learn the said tech by yourself for a bit, then put it into action while playing your brother, and it'll slowly build itself into muscle memory after you've repeatedly forced yourself to do the same actions over and over again under pressure.
It's how I learned my advanced techniques. Doesn't matter if you lose at the time, since your main goal at that point in time is to for example learn wavedashing, not as much to beat your brother.
It's how I learned my advanced techniques. Doesn't matter if you lose at the time, since your main goal at that point in time is to for example learn wavedashing, not as much to beat your brother.
pyrotek7x7
Smash Ace
Well, if you can't beat a level 9, forget about some of the advanced techniques and just keep playing and playing until you CAN beat them.
Once you can beat a 9, playing them won't help, and you'll need humans from there on.
Once you can beat a 9, playing them won't help, and you'll need humans from there on.
I can beat them, I was just trying to do some of the techniques . Thanks to all who have posted. I've been practicing L-cancel with Fox, but i didnt really notice anything, then i tried it with links down a and i really noticed it :D. Im getting really used to hitting l before I land, but i dont really notice anything with fox. I'm still having trouble with wavedashing though, everytime i try and do it my shield pops up and its annoying. I have the timing down and everything its just hard to hit everything at once and do the wavedash. Any advice?
. Thanks to all who have posted. I've been practicing L-cancel with Fox, but i didnt really notice anything, then i tried it with links down a and i really noticed it :D. Im getting really used to hitting l before I land, but i dont really notice anything with fox. I'm still having trouble with wavedashing though, everytime i try and do it my shield pops up and its annoying. I have the timing down and everything its just hard to hit everything at once and do the wavedash. Any advice?Paranoid_Android
Smash Lord
Try an easier character first... Doctor Mario is an easy character to learn those techs on, and he's not too shabby when it comes to kicking ***, either.
I've tried Mario, I'm not that good with him :s He just isnt for my style of play
iankobe
Smash Lord
S4br3w0lf: You do NOT need to be "good" with these pratice characeters. You are just praticing with them. Here's my advice to you: Pratice your REGULAR attacks first, since we don't REALLY know what level you're at. If you already know all your moves, (including TILTS, meaning you can use them at anytime you want. Not pulling them off randomly)then start praticing L-cancelling, then short hop, followed by fast fall and finally the whole SHFFL routine. At the same time, you can also try to WD. Remember, SHFFL is more important than WDing, so try to pratice how to shffl first, and the WD.
The easiest character to pratice how to L-cancel is Link, especially his Dair. So try that first, and go with other characters because Fox's moves are fast and are hard to tell if you shffl with him right. For WDing, use Luigi since he has the longest WD and is the easiest character to WD. If you master both Shffling and WDing, your next goal is to pratice your mind games. To pratice that, there's NOTHING you can do besides playing with different people, both below and above your level.
Now go pratice in the right way instead of playing in blindly 24/7. Come back and tell us how you're doing and we'll be more than happy to help you. Hope that helped and good luck.
The easiest character to pratice how to L-cancel is Link, especially his Dair. So try that first, and go with other characters because Fox's moves are fast and are hard to tell if you shffl with him right. For WDing, use Luigi since he has the longest WD and is the easiest character to WD. If you master both Shffling and WDing, your next goal is to pratice your mind games. To pratice that, there's NOTHING you can do besides playing with different people, both below and above your level.
Now go pratice in the right way instead of playing in blindly 24/7. Come back and tell us how you're doing and we'll be more than happy to help you. Hope that helped and good luck.
Thunderbolt
Smash Journeyman
I really don't see whats so hard about reading guides, watching pro vids, and going into the community to find better friends.
Use this advice. I didn't get decent sitting around. When I started getting competitive, I practiced at least a hour day on advanced tech. moves. Like L-Canceling, Wavedashing, Short Hopped Lasers, Pillaring, SHFFLC aerials...you can get lazy if you want to be good. You have to put in time and effort.
Use this advice. I didn't get decent sitting around. When I started getting competitive, I practiced at least a hour day on advanced tech. moves. Like L-Canceling, Wavedashing, Short Hopped Lasers, Pillaring, SHFFLC aerials...you can get lazy if you want to be good. You have to put in time and effort.
Endless Nightmares
Smash Master
My advice would be to continue practicing, and find more smashers around you to play with. I learned by playing people who are better than me. Many smashers are willing to teach you stuff if you're new. Try to find some smashfests to go to. Check out the Regional Zones (click here), find your area, and see if there are smashfests or simply smashers in your area. If there's a tourney nearby, maybe you can go and just watch some matches. Anything that will help. Videos, especially tutorial videos, help too. Fox is a very advanced character to learn, you'll need all the help you can get.
Here's the Advanced How To Play Video. It comes in three parts. It taught me about l-canceling, wavedashing, SHFFL, and a lot of other terms. It's really helpful and detailed.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n4s5yB7ZkE
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiZLs2doK8E
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFmGIOcWdsM
Also, check out the Fox Board (it's in Character Specific.) to learn more about Fox.
Here's the Combo Video thread. It has Combo videos for every character. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=84888
Here's the Advanced How To Play Video. It comes in three parts. It taught me about l-canceling, wavedashing, SHFFL, and a lot of other terms. It's really helpful and detailed.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n4s5yB7ZkE
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiZLs2doK8E
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFmGIOcWdsM
Also, check out the Fox Board (it's in Character Specific.) to learn more about Fox.
Here's the Combo Video thread. It has Combo videos for every character. http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=84888
tarheeljks
Smash Lord
Watch this video by Wak, it should help a lot :
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...16880228194155
If that link doesn't work just search for the thread "Advanced Technique Video" Good luck.
You suck because you are asking "Why do I suck?" If you want to progress quickly in any game (or anything), you must be able to recognize your own faults and correct them.
There are two things which you should practice on, strategy and technique.
Strategy
Seriously if you cannot beat a Lvl 9 CPU, then you have no strategy. The CPU9 is easily tricked by a simple dash forward and back. If you can't find ways to trick your opponents and play on their weaknesses. You won't be great at Smash.
Technique
This encompasses wavedashing, l-canceling and the rest of everything. This is not as important as learning strategy and "mindgames". This will certainly help you get better but it is not as important as learning how to think. There are plenty of people out there who play fancy but it doesn't matter if it doesn't hit.
In the end, strategy helps you land the hit. Technique makes the most out of it. So if you don't have strategy, your technique will not help you.
There are two things which you should practice on, strategy and technique.
Strategy
Seriously if you cannot beat a Lvl 9 CPU, then you have no strategy. The CPU9 is easily tricked by a simple dash forward and back. If you can't find ways to trick your opponents and play on their weaknesses. You won't be great at Smash.
Technique
This encompasses wavedashing, l-canceling and the rest of everything. This is not as important as learning strategy and "mindgames". This will certainly help you get better but it is not as important as learning how to think. There are plenty of people out there who play fancy but it doesn't matter if it doesn't hit.
In the end, strategy helps you land the hit. Technique makes the most out of it. So if you don't have strategy, your technique will not help you.
tarheeljks
Smash Lord
Don't even bother fighting level 9 CPU's, just go in against a level 1 and practice your shuffl and wd. Also, mindgames are great and I am in no way attempting to underminde their importance, but if you aspire to pla competitively then you must learn how to shuffl, tech, etc. If you can't do these things, then your mindgames will never be able to reach the level of players who can execute these techniques.
You suck because you're new. We -all- sucked in the beginning.
Pick one character, ideally a character you like, and stick with it for now. Sit down in training mode (don't let anything attack you or you'll revert back to your "I'm-being-attacked" bad habits) and use every move in order. Jab, dtilt, ftilt, utilt, dsmash, fsmash, usmash, grab, all b moves, all five aerials. Go -really- slow and just look at the attack. What you need to do is memorize what it is, how to do it, and what it looks like. Repeat the process many times against a CPU that is standing still to memorize where you hit them and where you don't.
Then get used to short hopping (by lightly pressing jump and letting go as soon as possible). Try to fullhop, shorthop, fullhop, and shorthop. Control is the name of the game in smash. Your hands shouldn't be shaky and they shouldn't be sweaty. Nothing in smash in button-mashing. Before you can even attempt strategy, you must calm your hands down and control what your character does.
Next, get used to l-cancelling and fastfalling. These are tools by which you reduce the time you are in lag or in the air. The key is to remove all vulnerabilities. Jump-cancelling your grabs and sweetspotting your recovery are two also important things that will reduce your lag.
Strategy is last, and something that no one can help you with. Just do your best to predict what the opponent is going to do and use your smartest attack to damage them during their lag. If they run at you, shield, and then grab them. If they stand still, spam projectiles. If they try to grab or smash you, spot dodge and then smash them right back. These are really nothing in the scope of true strategy. In time, you'll discover that for yourself.
But what you need right now is practice. Control. And don't feel like you're never going to get better. That thinking will only hurt you. (Hope you read this. Good luck)
Pick one character, ideally a character you like, and stick with it for now. Sit down in training mode (don't let anything attack you or you'll revert back to your "I'm-being-attacked" bad habits) and use every move in order. Jab, dtilt, ftilt, utilt, dsmash, fsmash, usmash, grab, all b moves, all five aerials. Go -really- slow and just look at the attack. What you need to do is memorize what it is, how to do it, and what it looks like. Repeat the process many times against a CPU that is standing still to memorize where you hit them and where you don't.
Then get used to short hopping (by lightly pressing jump and letting go as soon as possible). Try to fullhop, shorthop, fullhop, and shorthop. Control is the name of the game in smash. Your hands shouldn't be shaky and they shouldn't be sweaty. Nothing in smash in button-mashing. Before you can even attempt strategy, you must calm your hands down and control what your character does.
Next, get used to l-cancelling and fastfalling. These are tools by which you reduce the time you are in lag or in the air. The key is to remove all vulnerabilities. Jump-cancelling your grabs and sweetspotting your recovery are two also important things that will reduce your lag.
Strategy is last, and something that no one can help you with. Just do your best to predict what the opponent is going to do and use your smartest attack to damage them during their lag. If they run at you, shield, and then grab them. If they stand still, spam projectiles. If they try to grab or smash you, spot dodge and then smash them right back. These are really nothing in the scope of true strategy. In time, you'll discover that for yourself.
But what you need right now is practice. Control. And don't feel like you're never going to get better. That thinking will only hurt you. (Hope you read this. Good luck)
Kevvviiinnn
Smash Lord
WHAT!?! practice 24/7 is crazy talk!
i say you shouldn't practice all that much, over-practicing will build bad habits and just make everything harder for you. take a break from time to time, especially when you can see you are developing a bad habit(s).
rawr
i say you shouldn't practice all that much, over-practicing will build bad habits and just make everything harder for you. take a break from time to time, especially when you can see you are developing a bad habit(s).
rawr
iankobe
Smash Lord
I agree with him. Over-playing is not a good habit at all. Sometimes you might over-do it if you play way over the limit. Take breaks once in awhile to rest your eyes.
Remember, haste makes waste. You'd rather to have some solid, thorough training than a long, tiring, and pointless training for 24/7.
Miharu
Smash Hero
Practicing in 30 minutes blocks works decently well. Take a break, go do something else, then come back. Do this about 2-3 times a day, since it takes a few hours or so, or maybe even overnight for muscle memory to develop.
There is an easy way to learning to L-cancel with fox and it becomes very noticeable when actually in battle/under pressure.
1.First go into training mode and select fox against another character.
2. Perform his dair (the drill kick). It doesn't have to be short hopped. In fact I reccomend doing his full jump so you don't have to move as fast. This should rack up a combo of 3-4 (check in the stats bars)
3. Without L-cancelling, follow up with a shine (down + b) and you should notice your combo reverts back to 1.
4. Now repeat the drill kick but this time try and L-cancel. If you get it right you'll notice that it adds another combo to your stats. This is because it was quick enough to be considered as a combo.
5. Practice this till you can get it about 50% of the time. Then try it on a level 1 in vs mode.
6. If you performed it incorrectly then you should be able to notice the lag when you can't L-cancel shine.
Although the lag is not huge, it's very noticeable to the person in control. you just need enough exposure to recognise the time difference.
last but most important: Keep practising and don't give up!
Good luck!
1.First go into training mode and select fox against another character.
2. Perform his dair (the drill kick). It doesn't have to be short hopped. In fact I reccomend doing his full jump so you don't have to move as fast. This should rack up a combo of 3-4 (check in the stats bars)
3. Without L-cancelling, follow up with a shine (down + b) and you should notice your combo reverts back to 1.
4. Now repeat the drill kick but this time try and L-cancel. If you get it right you'll notice that it adds another combo to your stats. This is because it was quick enough to be considered as a combo.
5. Practice this till you can get it about 50% of the time. Then try it on a level 1 in vs mode.
6. If you performed it incorrectly then you should be able to notice the lag when you can't L-cancel shine.
Although the lag is not huge, it's very noticeable to the person in control. you just need enough exposure to recognise the time difference.
last but most important: Keep practising and don't give up!
Good luck!
About the thing with the shielding after a wavedash...
Being a person who learned to wavedash not too long ago, I also encountered the same problem. What helped me is telling myself that after I press the buttons (in order, ofcourse) to wavedash, I let go of all buttons on the controller.
Hope that helps
Being a person who learned to wavedash not too long ago, I also encountered the same problem. What helped me is telling myself that after I press the buttons (in order, ofcourse) to wavedash, I let go of all buttons on the controller.
Hope that helps
Pyrostormer
Smash Lord
Where on the east coast? If you live in NC then I'll gladly play you.
dude, maybe Fox just isn't your character, maybe you need to find someone that you can use to your advantage over your brother. you can also just look in the character specific thread and look up a character guide and ask some questions. Trust me, it helped me, and it also helped me share my wisdom with others about smash.
Kevvviiinnn
Smash Lord
i was actually replying to the first post haha
he says he plays the game 24/7, if i were replying to you i probably would have quoted you
sorry for the confusion T-T
Ophelius
Smash Ace
If you're goin to start a club, do it DURING school. My friends and I have a little group that goes up in a classroom and plays during our lunch period.
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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Heh, one of the dudes on the boards goes to my school and wants to start a Smash club. Just how hard is it to find a sponsor, for those people who have them at your school?
And I live in Maryland.
And I live in Maryland.
Kosstic
Smash Rookie
I would recommend watching some of the videos on the internet and trying to emulate the techniques used by those players. Make sure you work your way up, don't just start playing level 9s. Keep playing characters at a specific level until you are certain you can beat that level enemy no matter the character, then move up a level and repeat.
RockinRudy
Smash Journeyman
By the power of Rudy. I resurrect this thread.
Many of us need to know why they suck or are sucking at Melee/why they are getting salty.
Topic seems appropriate in 2013.
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