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Why confirmed characters don't deconfirm other characters

GreenKirby

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It basically doesn't add up. Characters will not be replaced left and right.

Sheik and Zero Suit Samus:

Probably the first of a mass ignorance that will plague the board. Since the revealing of Zamus, people assumed that because she had blonde hair, is fast, and is a transformation, it automatically meant Sheik was out (also, the Twightlight Princess dribble but whatever)

Now it wouldn't make sense for Sheik to be replaced by Zamus. Because one, Zamus isn't a 'seperate' character. She needs a Smash Ball to even be used. You can transform from Zelda to Sheik and vice versa anytime at will.

Ike and Marth/Roy:

Another dense assumption. So apperantly, because both Ike and Marth are swordsmen and have blue hair, people thought Marth is gone. We don't know yet, but if Marth is gone, Ike won't be the reason. Roy's is pretty gone anyway. Also, when Ike's special moves were revealed, they weren't similar to Marth. Even Ather was totally different. (Different animation and going straight up)

Also, Ike holds a two handed sword with one hand. So he won't be anywhere like the nimble Marth.

Lucas and Ness:

Probably the only one that had any support. What with Lucas originally suppose to replace Ness in Melee but Mother 3 was scrapped for the N64. Also, throw in the fact that Lucas' moves are similar to Ness. But now with the apperant revealment of Ness (unless it was very poorly P.Trainer sprite) maybe Lucas is just a Luigified version of Ness.

Ness and The Masked Man:

Now with the confirmation of Ness, people are now foolish enough to believe that the Masked Man is not in. Can't the Mother series have 3 reps? Is it really a crime for it to have more than 2? Ness and the Masked Man aren't even related to each other in any way. They don't even fight the same way.

Lucario and Mewtwo:

Along with Ness, Lucario had his dog head shown with the heads of other playable characters. Now people believe that Mewtwo is not coming back. Apparently, Lucario also has a signiture move where he has a power up ball attack. Let me tell you this: Mewtwo's Shadow Ball and Lucario's Aura Sphere are nowhere near similar with the exception of shape. One is a ghost type move. The other is a fighting type move. Mewtwo and Lucario aren't even the same type of Pokemone. How can Psychic Pokemon be a clone of a Fighting/Steel type?

Geno and Bowser Jr.:

Neither are confirmed so far but people believe that the Mario series will only get ONE rep in this game. There's no way in Heck that Nintendo's flagship series will only get one more character. Espeically when another MArio character (Dr. Mario) is probably getting the boot. It'll be a slap to the series face. Now with the rumor spreading that Jr. is an Assist Trophy, some Geno fanboys claim that this mean Geno is confirmed playable. No it doesn't. For one, we don't know for sure that it's Jr.'s face. Two, Geno can easily be an Assist Trophy as well if Nintendo favors another Square character to be playable.

Wolf and Krystal:

Basically, the same situation as Geno and Jr.
 

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you are right and you are wrong. if lucario and ness were shown on dojo, it wouldn't deconfirm others.
however, lucario was revealed when you had a list of "pika, PT, lucario, jiggs" which looks like "pokemon characters only" just as other stickers have "kirby dedede metaknight" or "sonic" which shows that stickers are limited by franchise.

given that the sticker didn't allow for mewtwo to use it, but allowed 4 other pokemon to use it, heavily implies that mewtwo is not playable.

same for ness, masked man is not listed but the other mother characters are.


there might be some stickers that are like "mario/luigi/peach" but not allow bowser, since he's a bad guy, but i don't think we have seen any like that.
no sticker limitation we have seen has excluded a member of it's franchise, and dedede was allowed to use a kirby sticker.

this deconfirms them... not having lucario confirmed.



rephrased: a list of pokemon characters confirmed lucario, mewtwo was not on that list, and thus deconfirmed.
should lucario had been confirmed on his own, then mewtwo would still have been able to be in, as we wouldn't have known the size of the list.
 

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Yeah, what basically deconfirms Mewtwo is that on a sticker that clearly is Pokemon-only, his face did not show up while Lucario's did.
 

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Well we also have to consider that so far in the Subspace Emissary, Bowser and Wario are villains who wouldn't ally with the heroes for some time through the story (or even ever)

And what with Mewtwo being considered the villain of the Pokemon series and the Masked Man being a mindless slave to a villain, it would make since for them not have their stickers shown.

Also, we don't know whether or not Lucario (or even Jigglypuff for that matter) is a starter or isn't. They could be the non hidden Pokemon reps

If you still don't agree, tell me tommorrow. It's late and with the high traffic in Smashboards, I can't get the forums sometime. =\
 

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you are right and you are wrong. if lucario and ness were shown on dojo, it wouldn't deconfirm others.
however, lucario was revealed when you had a list of "pika, PT, lucario, jiggs" which looks like "pokemon characters only" just as other stickers have "kirby dedede metaknight" or "sonic" which shows that stickers are limited by franchise.

given that the sticker didn't allow for mewtwo to use it, but allowed 4 other pokemon to use it, heavily implies that mewtwo is not playable.
I'm inclined to agree. The only possibility I see is that perhaps Mewtwo is secret and not unlocked on the file this screenshot was taken from.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not grasping at straws. I've long since accepted Mewtwo is probably out. I'm just trying to think of any logical way around it.

So yes...you're probably right, but there's still a small chance.
 

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For those believing Mewtwo is deconfirmed by him not being listed....
You are wrong!!
As I stated before...
Did anyone stop to think that Mewtwo may be a villain, and be a (playable) boss in the SSE, like Bowser and Wario, and not playable in the SSE? Mewtwo was not deconfirmed.
And don't give me none of that prophet BS, they could be wrong for all we know(only 35 characters after 2 delays?)
 

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Both Mewtwo and Samus had a similar charge up shot in Melee, so the Lucario/Mewtwo thing is out.
 

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Good thread.

People work themselves up into such a rage without even thinking about it.

The fact of the matter is, nobody is not in the game until the game is released and they're found not to be there.

Those icons on the stickers prove Lucario, Jigglypuff, and Ness' inclusion, but by no means does it work against other characters.

Yes, the Pokemon sticker has Pikachu, Red, Jigglypuff and Lucario next to it, and no Mewtwo. That doesn't mean he's out. Who stated that some stickers only work with certain franchises? Nobody did. Some stickers only work with specific characters. Just because four Pokemon reps are there doesn't mean that any other Pokemon characters are not going to be in.

I mean, if they showed a mushroom sticker and the icons were Mario, Peach and Bowser, it wouldn't mean that Luigi wouldn't be in.

I know there's a good chance Mewtwo is out, but people jump to conclusions far too fast. Awesome discoveries like this should be awesome because it comfirms three characters for the game, but instead people work themselves into a hissy fit because they think it "deconfirms" others.
 

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Did you even read the OP at all?
I read that "Lucario and Mewtwo" thing. Well, only the title of the paragraph thingy.
And I guess since the title says they don't deconfirm others, that it says the same with Lucario and Mewtwo.

But I guess Lucario doesn't deconfirm Mewtwo. Serebii deconfirmed Mewtwo, and some others too. And Mewtwo could've also been in if Lucario is in, but the thing is, Mewtwo is out because of Lucario -> that means if Lucario wouldn't have been in, Mewtwo would still be there, I'm sure.


Edit: And too bad Mewtwo's out, I'm sure Lucario can't use teleport (at least not in Brawl) so this attack will be forgotten... and I'm sure Lucario is not a clone of Mewtwo, maybe only the B attack. It really sucks that they've taken out Mewtwo... Argh.

And I guess it doesn't confirm it, because Ness is still in, but I'm very sure Roy is out, because Ike uses the ph1R3 now...
 

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Ness and The Masked Man:

Now with the confirmation of Ness, people are now foolish enough to believe that the Masked Man is not in. Can't the Mother series have 3 reps? Is it really a crime for it to have more than 2? Ness and the Masked Man aren't even related to each other in any way. They don't even fight the same way.

Lucario and Mewtwo:

Along with Ness, Lucario had his dog head shown with the heads of other playable characters. Now people believe that Mewtwo is not coming back. Apparently, Lucario also has a signiture move where he has a power up ball attack. Let me tell you this: Mewtwo's Shadow Ball and Lucario's Aura Sphere are nowhere near similar with the exception of shape. One is a ghost type move. The other is a fighting type move. Mewtwo and Lucario aren't even the same type of Pokemone. How can Psychic Pokemon be a clone of a Fighting/Steel type?
I agree with you on both those ideas mostly. Why can't we have both Ness and Claus and both Lucario and Mewtwo.
 

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you are right and you are wrong. if lucario and ness were shown on dojo, it wouldn't deconfirm others.
however, lucario was revealed when you had a list of "pika, PT, lucario, jiggs" which looks like "pokemon characters only" just as other stickers have "kirby dedede metaknight" or "sonic" which shows that stickers are limited by franchise.

given that the sticker didn't allow for mewtwo to use it, but allowed 4 other pokemon to use it, heavily implies that mewtwo is not playable.

same for ness, masked man is not listed but the other mother characters are.


there might be some stickers that are like "mario/luigi/peach" but not allow bowser, since he's a bad guy, but i don't think we have seen any like that.
no sticker limitation we have seen has excluded a member of it's franchise, and dedede was allowed to use a kirby sticker.

this deconfirms them... not having lucario confirmed.



rephrased: a list of pokemon characters confirmed lucario, mewtwo was not on that list, and thus deconfirmed.
should lucario had been confirmed on his own, then mewtwo would still have been able to be in, as we wouldn't have known the size of the list.

There are also a variety of reasons that a character wouldn't show up.

One, as you mentioned, would be if the sticker didn't apply to them.

Another would be if the character were not unlocked.
 

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I read that "Lucario and Mewtwo" thing. Well, only the title of the paragraph thingy.
And I guess since the title says they don't deconfirm others, that it says the same with Lucario and Mewtwo.

But I guess Lucario doesn't deconfirm Mewtwo. Serebii deconfirmed Mewtwo, and some others too. And Mewtwo could've also been in if Lucario is in, but the thing is, Mewtwo is out because of Lucario -> that means if Lucario wouldn't have been in, Mewtwo would still be there, I'm sure.


Edit: And too bad Mewtwo's out, I'm sure Lucario can't use teleport (at least not in Brawl) so this attack will be forgotten... and I'm sure Lucario is not a clone of Mewtwo, maybe only the B attack. It really sucks that they've taken out Mewtwo... Argh.

And I guess it doesn't confirm it, because Ness is still in, but I'm very sure Roy is out, because Ike uses the ph1R3 now...
Serebii deconfirmed Mewtwo?

Since when does Serebii do anything but repost Dojo news that happens to be Pokemon related?
 

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"Although I have known about these for several months, it has been discovered that in one of the trailers for the upcoming Smash Bros Brawl on the Japanese Wii.com site, that two characters are confirmed."

Seriously.

His brazen arrogance annoys the hell out of me.

If you know info, but can't say it, what good are you?

Why even mention something that you can't prove?
 

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Updated list to include the recent controverisal subject and also for Wolf and Krystal
 

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A thread that makes sense and isn't a bunch of drivel. Haven't seen one of these in a while.

I have to agree on virtually every point here. Really, you can't deconfirm anything or anyone until the moment when the real, honest-to-goodness 100% non-speculation roster is revealed.

Luckily for us, that'll be in...well...

less than a week.
 

Uchiha.Sanosuke

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A thread that makes sense and isn't a bunch of drivel. Haven't seen one of these in a while.

I have to agree on virtually every point here. Really, you can't deconfirm anything or anyone until the moment when the real, honest-to-goodness 100% non-speculation roster is revealed.

Luckily for us, that'll be in...well...

less than a week. :bee:
 

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How do we know that during the stickers video, that the person playing unlocked all of the characters?

Maybe mewtwo hadn't been unlocked yet when they made the video?

Same with Claus.

I couldnt care less either way though.
 
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