Who's got the best throw?

[The_NZA]

Kill throw? It's got to be Lucas's uthrow. Doesn't matter where you are on the stage, much like the fox usmash it gives zero ****s.

Combo throw?
I dunno...ganon?

 

[| Kailex |]

Ganon dthrow

 

[GMaster171]

depends, in a vacuum, Ganon d-throw... but out of a vacuum, you see its on Ganon.

Id say Snake's uthrow or Falcon's d-throw tho

 

[Metà]

best combo throw? fox up-throw or ganon d-throw

best KO throw? ness b-throw or peach f-throw

 

[Pwnz0rz Man]

best combo throw? fox up-throw or ganon d-throw

best KO throw? ness b-throw or peach f-throw

There is nothing quite like that forward slap of death.

 

[Soft Serve]

2.1 Link Dthrow. chain grab everyone.

MK's up throw though. I dont know how useful it is with actual DI, but it looks like it gives you so many options to chase afterwards and combo.

 

[The_NZA]

best combo throw? fox up-throw or ganon d-throw

best KO throw? ness b-throw or peach f-throw

Meta, you really think both of those are better than Lucas's uthrow?

 

[Scythe]

peach fthrow is pretty DIable
lucas fthrow is his most reliable kill move imo

 

[The_NZA]

Lucas's uthrow kills my Ness at 120% or so consistently. Am I DIing it wrong or something?

 

[NaijaboyIrin]

I doubt it.
Ness is so floaty that DI probably won't help.
Which stage are you referring to?

 

[PrincessAzula]

Lucas' uthrow, Zelda's bthrow, Peach's fthrow, Ness' bthrow, and Squirtle's dthrow (prone to DI) are all great kill throws.

The best throw to start a combo? Ganon's dthrow.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Lucas's U-throw sends at the steepest of angles such that your character relies entirely on his or her fall speed to combat it (FYI: It won't unless you're another fast faller)
Snake's U-throw is never useless at any percent.
DK's Cargo -> x variable


All other throws are basically irrelevant.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

Lucas U-Throw is pretty nice, yeah, but once you get that snake wrapped around a fast faller...



Has no one mentioned Mario's D-throw?

 

[Kink-Link5]

Lucas's U-throw is just so janky. It kills Charizard's floaty *ss at like 90%, while Charizard has to get Lucas up to around 130+ before his own will kill.

 

[NightShadow6]

Zard's downthrow man, all you need is a solid read. (Depending on character you can techchase into infinity)

 

[Zolom]

Mario's d-throw and u-throw are ridiculous. Calculating the percentage and fall speed of each character in accordance to whether to down or up throw, its very easy to chaingrab and combo. Other than that, DK... and yall know exactly what I'm talkin about.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Zard's downthrow man, all you need is a solid read. (Depending on character you can techchase into infinity)

Why need a read when there are other characters with throws that lead directly into more confirmable kills?

Charizard has a balanced set of throws, but no way in hell is his D-throw better than, say, Falcon's.

 

[bubbaking]

It's kinda hard to say which throw is absolutely the best for KOs or combos. If I could group them, I'd say:
[collapse=Best for combos (regarding the char's moveset aka NOT in a vacuum)]
These are effective against pretty much everybody at some reasonable %

• DK Cargo uthrow
• Ganon dthow
• Falcon dthrow
• Sheik dthrow
• Mario dthrow
• ROB dthrow
• Lucario dthrow
• Fox uthrow
• Link dthrow
• Ness dthrow
• Snake uthrow
• Pit dthrow
• ZSS dthrow

[/collapse]
[collapse=Pretty darn good at comboing]
These are still very solid, especially against FFers, but a litle trouble could be had if the opponent is a master of DI

• Zard bthrow
• DK uthrow
• Falcon uthrow
• Sheik bthrow
• Mario uthrow
• ROB uthrow
• Lucario uthrow
• Luigi dthrow
• Luigi uthrow
• Ivy dthrow
• Lucas dthrow
• Ness uthrow
• Pika dthrow
• One of Wolf's throws
• Diddy dthrow
• Diddy uthrow
• Pit uthrow
• ZSS uthrow
• Bowser Klaw fthrow

[/collapse]
[collapse=Decent but lackluster for combos]
These throws CAN be extremely punishing on bad DI.....but they're hard to follow up on with good DI and they often give you a good amount of time to get your DI right

• Bowser uthrow
• Falco uthrow
• Ike dthrow
• Ike fthrow
• Ike bthrow
• Ike uthrow
• Ivy uthrow
• MK uthrow (don't question me on this)
• Peach dthrow
• Zelda dthrow
• Squirtle uthrow
• Sonic dthrow
• Wario dthrow

[/collapse]
I purposefully avoided G&W, because I still have no idea what the heck his throws do.
[collapse=Excellent KO throw]
Kill early, hard to DI properly, accessible at most positions on-stage, etc.

• Bowser Klaw bthrow
• Lucas uthrow

[/collapse]
[collapse=Great KO throw]
Kill a little later, a bit easier to DI, usually involves being in a good situational spot like under a plaform or with your back to the closest ledge, etc.

• Zard uthrow
• DK bthrow
• Ness bthrow
• Peach fthrow
• Squirt dthrow

[/collapse]
[collapse=Decent KO throw]
Take even longer to kill and are easier to DI, largely because they're slow and give you time to get it juuust right...

• Mario bthrow
• Luigi bthrow
• Zelda bthrow

[/collapse]
[collapse=LAST RESORT KO throw]
Well.....these throws kill...eventually. I mean, these throws will kill most opponents between 150% and 200%, which means they can finally nab the KO if you're struggling after bringing your opponent to too high a % without killing him

• Diddy uthrow
• Ivy bthrow
• DDD bthrow
• DDD fthrow
• Wario fthrow
• Wario bthrow
• Lucas fthrow (why would you wait for this?)
• ROB uthrow
• Snake uthrow

[/collapse]


Even this is terribly bad at representing the whole picture. I mean, Sheik doesn't have a KO throw, but why would she need one when she has two throws that combo into kill moves at practically every reasonable %? Perhaps the topic should be "Who has the best combination of thows?" The clear winners, of course, would probably be DK and Mario, seeing as how they both have FF CG throws (which automatically denote great combos out of those throws on FFers), good combo throw options on non-FFers (Mario even has a CG on some with dthrow), and decent kill throws that work as intended; they kill the opponent when he is too high in damage to try to combo into a kill move with a combo throw.

You can TOTALLY tell who's completely bored at his overnight work shift.

 

[Strong Badam]

Mario's d-throw and u-throw are ridiculous. Calculating the percentage and fall speed of each character in accordance to whether to down or up throw, its very easy to chaingrab and combo. Other than that, DK... and yall know exactly what I'm talkin about.

I don't know what you could possibly be referring to

 

[Zolom]

I don't know what you could possibly be referring to

Oh you rascal.

 

[Burnsy]

Snip

You should have put Lucas bthrow instead of fthrow. Bthrow has more knockback and will actually kill spacies much earlier than uthrow, or at least force them offstage.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Cargo F-throw is also the one responsible for Fair kills at 60%, not U-throw.

 

[MVP]

DK cargo... no question

 

[Nemiak temp]

M2K's throws and grabs. They ight.

 

[xXSciophobiaXx]

Can someone explain what you mean by "In a vacuum?"

 

[GMaster171]

In a vacuum usually refers to removing all other factors when looking at something. Ganon's d-throw is a good example, as when you take nothing into consideration its probably one of the best throws in the game, in terms of comboing. However, you if you look at the fact you need to land a grab to get the throw, Ganon has a rather short grab range, and rather limited mobility making it harder to even get the throw.

"in a vacuum"=nothing but the thing in question

 

[bubbaking]

Cargo F-throw is also the one responsible for Fair kills at 60%, not U-throw.

I combo into fair, like, 90% of the time at kill %'s on more than half the cast with cargo uthrow. That includes at 60%. I think that cargo fthrow/bthrow > fair is more of a frame-trap than a combo, especially since the throw can be DI'd to escape. Cargo uthrow is practically guaranteed to combo regardless of DI, in my experience.

In a vacuum usually refers to removing all other factors when looking at something. Ganon's d-throw is a good example, as when you take nothing into consideration its probably one of the best throws in the game, in terms of comboing. However, you if you look at the fact you need to land a grab to get the throw, Ganon has a rather short grab range, and rather limited mobility making it harder to even get the throw.

"in a vacuum"=nothing but the thing in question

I agree with the definition of "in a vacuum" that you have in your last line, but I think that when you consider the rest of a char's moveset, you are no longer working 'within a vacuum'. In fact, I'm not even sure that the term can be applied logically at all to a comparison of combo throws, when the very concept of combos depends completely on the ability of the characters in question to combo. Character X could have a uthrow that launches you 50 ft into the air, but that throw could still end up being a great combo throw if said Character X has the ability to immediately follow it up with quick movement or a far-reaching move (look at Fox's uthrow). Basically, for us to even start comparing combo throws, we would need to look at throws in association with the rest of their chars' kits. I mean, most of us agree that DK has one of the best combo throws in the game, but how useful would it be if we gave it to, say, Marth? Therefore, I disagree with your application of the term to Ganon's dthrow. Even not in a vacuum, I think Ganon's dthrow is one of the best in the game when you consider the rest of Ganon's moveset, which is how I think the concept 'not in a vacuum' should be applied to specifically throws. What you are referring to is Ganon's grab game, which IMO, is a combination of the effectiveness of a char's throws with the ease with which said char can land grabs. Ganon's lackluster mobility and poor grab range give him a mediocre grab game, but once he lands that grab, his moveset and throws basically dictate that you're going to get hurt a LOT.....or you're going to die. That and he can CG, like, 75% of the cast.

 

[Vashimus]

Why need a read when there are other characters with throws that lead directly into more confirmable kills?

Charizard has a balanced set of throws, but no way in hell is his D-throw better than, say, Falcon's.

Pre-down-smash nerf, he didn't even have to make a read. I used to ***** out d-throw like a hooker in Vegas.

 

[yahyakun]

Dk´s cargo combo-ing spacies till death since 1999.

 

[PrincessAzula]

Organized list of throws

Ivy's fthrow has more killing power than her bthrow, just letting you know.

But very nice and organized list of throws. Thanks for posting.

 

[bubbaking]

Pre-down-smash nerf, he didn't even have to make a read. I used to ***** out d-throw like a hooker in Vegas.

Regarding each char's entire kit complimenting the throw (so NOT in a vacuum), 2.1 Zard's dthrow was actually better than Falcon's, IMO. Certain chars can at least DI Falcon's dthrow to avoid a knee. Zard's dthrow doesn't give a chance for anyone to DI and the IASA was so ridiculously early that it was a breeze to follow up with an easy combo into a kill move. On plats or near ledges, that was nearly a 100% guaranteed kill-setup. The current dsmash 'nerf' kinda screwed things up, but in reality, it was the 2.5b dthrow nerf that really hurt this set-up.

 

[skstylez]

DK cargo
Bowser super armor side-b

 

[bubbaking]

Now that I've been reminded of this thread, I will say that MK's uthrow is extremely easy to DI, and when DI'd properly at anything after low %'s, it barely follows up into anything at all. Even at low %'s, I think I'd rather dthrow for the tech-chase...

 

[mudkyp]

Ivy's fthrow has more killing power than her bthrow, just letting you know.

This. It's a great throw and hilarious when you've been downthrowing for combo and throw it in random for a DI mix up at a mid percentage.

 

[AbstractLogic]

I have the best throws

 

[Burnsy]

Now that I've been reminded of this thread, I will say that MK's uthrow is extremely easy to DI, and when DI'd properly at anything after low %'s, it barely follows up into anything at all. Even at low %'s, I think I'd rather dthrow for the tech-chase...

What is the best DI for uthrow? Does it send straight up?

 

[-Se7en-]

Marth's uthrow

 

[Phaiyte]

D3's grab game is really good. DI doesn't matter, opponent doesn't matter, etc. Not one factor in the game that changes how good at least 3 of his throws are.

Down = sweet tech chases all day
Back/Foward = offstage fair chases all day
Up = really good for fast/mid fallers. nAir immediately and chase their DI with fairs.

 

[Plum]

Best KO throw is clearly Marth with the Hancock.

 

[foxygrandpa]

snakes up throw by far. Chain grab ability, leads into C4, and eventually can lead into a kill. On heavy characters like ganondorf, you can literally 0-death combo with one braindead grab combo. Not to mention he has an obnoxious grab range. I would have liked to see his grabs have good combo ability, but take more skill then just spamming upthrow.
Donkey Kong's in my opinion are pretty fair. He should have good stage control since his off the edge game is kind of transparent.