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Who is Worse? Comparison of two utterly bad players.

Wölf

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This may be an incredibly stupid idea for a thread, but I personally think it would be interesting to discuss.

SPOILER WARNING: The following video is rated ARE, for Anally Redundant Exploitation of the characters inside and their moves. The movie is BAD. But it's interesting to watch and compare the video maker to how he thinks he is in play style. In my honest opinion, if he saw the play of some of the players here, he'd <expletive> himself. While watching, you may experience thoughts of homicide, hatred, and suicide. You have been warned.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=tHdhbVPDAYc

You decide, who is worse in this battle of sadness?

In my opinion, the Marth player is worse; he's extremely one dimensional in his technique. It consists of Counter, FSmash, Front B, and FTilt. Wolf's, on the other hand, at least shows some potential. I noticed, while not necessarily performed properly, a decent combination of rolls, dodges, aerials, and tilts. One thing I liked about the Wolf play was that he tried to combo with his Usmash to Dair, although it rarely succeeded. It shows that the player is trying to learn techniques and get better, rather than just spam a single move like Marth did. While at times, the Fsmash became overused and redundant, it was not countered once by the Marth character. It seems that the only downfall of the Wolf player was his inability to use the recovery moves, and his overuse of them while in combat.

So, if you feel compelled, watch and discuss. When discussing, don't just say "Wolf, cuz they're both n00bzssz and Wolf is higher teir@!!" Give reasons to back up what you say.
 

Kink-Link5

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I put my thoughts on the video (which apparently didn't go through, *sigh*). The Marth is absolutely awful; like you said, playing off only a handful of moves and refusing to improve or change playstyle is horrid. The Wolf player could use a lot of work, but by far shows more knowledge of his character through what moves he does use than the Marth player. The Marth is obviously one of those over-cocky players who thinks they're hot stuff because they can beat their not-so-hot friends and end up bragging to everyone about it.

To top it off, the matches were set as such that it went to SD for the last two matches. Lol.
 

talkingbeatles

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I think the Marth was the overall better player.
However the Wolf player showed more potential. I know this doesn't seem to make sense but stay with me here.
Marth is a pretty easy character to pick up and use, and actually get a good feel of the game. His forward smash kills, his dair spikes. He has a counter. His b moves aren't useless and he's got good recovery. He's anybodies training wheels for Brawl. Having said that, people get stuck in mediocre Marth playing. I think this is where the Marth we saw in the video is at. Well, hell. He's not mediocre, he's awful. That second match was painful to watch.
My point is, right now the Marth is better. But the Wolf is the one who will get better. The guy has to. Even if it's not intentional. He'll start to see through the crappy Marth's playstyle and actually start to improve.
The Marth will stay crappy, because for a lot of people, staying crappy with Marth is all too easy. It's not with Wolf. You get better with him, or you drop him as a character.
 

Wölf

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I think the Marth was the overall better player.
However the Wolf player showed more potential. I know this doesn't seem to make sense but stay with me here.
Marth is a pretty easy character to pick up and use, and actually get a good feel of the game. His forward smash kills, his dair spikes. He has a counter. His b moves aren't useless and he's got good recovery. He's anybodies training wheels for Brawl. Having said that, people get stuck in mediocre Marth playing. I think this is where the Marth we saw in the video is at. Well, hell. He's not mediocre, he's awful. That second match was painful to watch.
My point is, right now the Marth is better. But the Wolf is the one who will get better. The guy has to. Even if it's not intentional. He'll start to see through the crappy Marth's playstyle and actually start to improve.
The Marth will stay crappy, because for a lot of people, staying crappy with Marth is all too easy. It's not with Wolf. You get better with him, or you drop him as a character.

I understand where you're coming from completely; Wolf is, I think, sort of hit or miss. Either you pick him up for a few games and really begin to like him or you try him, realize he's hard to use at first, and quit using him. I can relate the scenario with my own experience; I first tried Wolf as soon as my friend who owns the game unlocked him. As expected for a first time user, I did not do well and quit using Wolf immediately after. "Wow Wolf really sucks for the last unlockable" I think were my exact words. However, it was later on that I re-tried Wolf and began noticing how awesome his combos could be. And now, he's my main and my absolute best character.

So yeah, rambling post aside, I totally understand how you feel when you say one character is easier to just pick up and play, while anmother requires a bit of time (but will, ultimately, be a better overall choice)

Thanks for you guys' comments. It's nice to discuss things like this with people :)
 

talkingbeatles

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Yeah. It's sad this thread hasn't gotten more love. I think it's an interesting discussion.

Heh. I guess it's just hard to get people to watch crappy players.
 

3transfat

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They both sucked pretty badly.
But the Wolf was better. He just doesn't know how to recover with Wolf.
The Marth used only a few moves.

I actually came into this thread expecting to defend myself.
 

Star Ryan

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To be honest, I quite enjoyed the first minute of watching wolf, but that could be me not having played brawl.

I hated the amount of time either character was static. Especially in the obvious edge guard situations.
 

A2ZOMG

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Blargh, it's a bit of a bump, but I like this topic idea. Yeah, you guys pretty much nailed the points on the Marth vs Wolf match.

Some n00b wanted me to upload their Wifi video footage. Anyone want to help me grade this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1UUkw5H0To
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_px0kU1Nlfg

The first battle, he used Captain Falcon. This guy....apparently has absolutely no idea what Falcon's moves are supposed to do. He limits himself to Smash attacks and special attacks because he has no sense for aerial attacks. He double jumped far too much, rolled too much, did not properly exploit Falcon's running speed for the most part. He didn't really use any of Falcon's GOOD attacks in this video at all. Instead of Raptor Boosting, he should have thrown in Falcon Kicks, or Dash attacks. He should have U-aired. He needs to SH aerials better, and he needs to throw out U-tilts and jabs more. Quite frankly, this is absolutely not the way to play Falcon. In FFAs, throwing out Falcon Punches is a little more forgiving, but you get better from throwing out Hyphen Smashes, ESPECIALLY with Falcon.

The Kirby, he was mainly a Falcon Punch and Up-B ***** this match. <<

The Ike seems to be the better of the four players in this particular match. He actually started out OK, but got progressively worse as the match went on, as he started focusing on simply throwing out huge attacks randomly later on.

The Samus...was mediocre. Did not use Missiles or Z-air.

Second match now:

The guy has a slightly better idea about how DDD works. He has figured out that you can kill Ike with the Neutral B, and stop other approaches with it fairly effectively. Spamming Waddle Dees is recommended, and I guess throwing out DDD's huge attacks isn't all that bad since they have huge range and fairly low ending lag if I recall. He doesn't know how to chaingrab though.

The Pit...was pretty horrible. Maybe he was suffering from lag a lot. Either way, his reaction time was horrible, and prevented him from doing much in this match.

The Ganondorf doesn't really know how to play at all. He needs to learn to autocancel aerials or use ones that don't have as much landing lag, follow up better from Flame chokes, yeah.

The Ike charged special attacks too much....
 

petrie911

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Hey, are those two matches the same people? Because if not, I think the first Ike might be me...
 
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