Who is the least deserving Main 8?

[The Star King]

Yeah Kirby having so many votes is pretty lol, seems to me like people can't put aside their personal feelings based on how the character plays competitively. ****ing humans ;O

 

[Shears]

****ing humans ;O

Aren't we overdue for a plague?

 

[anikom15]

Metroid is the most desring charmander.

 

[HugoBoss]

Can anyone rationalize why DK, Link, and Kirby have votes? I have a feeling people are voting for the characters they subjectively like the least and not objectively thinking about which is least deserving.

I can at least understand Kirby, but Link and DK, I dunno.

 

[Fireblaster]

Everyone that said jigglypuff needs to get the **** out. Jigglypuff was the most popular pokemon in japan at the time.

 

[mixa]

Can anyone rationalize why DK, Link, and Kirby have votes? I have a feeling people [...]

'why would reason have anything to do with what people think'

- sarah jessica parker

 

[Sedda]

I voted for samus because it created false hype for me at the time. I thought there would be a Metroid game released for the n64 but there wasn't. I guess ness falls into that category too, but I didn't know or cared who he was

 

[Shears]

I can at least understand Kirby, but Link and DK, I dunno.

Then rationalize Kirby, because I can't understand why he has a single vote.

 

[MrMarbles]

Then rationalize Kirby, because I can't understand why he has a single vote.

i already answered this for why i voted kirby read back. my vote had nothing to do with my feelings towards kirby in fact i like kirby in smash. also if we expanded this to all 12 characters clearly falcon is the least deserving. honest question did anyone know of his existence before smash?

 

[Shears]

i already answered this for why i voted kirby read back. my vote had nothing to do with my feelings towards kirby in fact i like kirby in smash. also if we expanded this to all 12 characters clearly falcon is the least deserving. honest question did anyone know of his existence before smash?

But thats still subjective because YOU didn't know who Kirby was. When they made the game they weren't thinking of what characters you knew of but what characters most people knew of and were popular in Nintendo. Kirby was a very popular character even if you didn't know who he was. Think with the unopinionated, omniscient universal mind, not your own.

 

[clubbadubba]

Then rationalize Kirby, because I can't understand why he has a single vote.

Least Deserving = The least recognizable or just doesn't have much to do with Nintendo's history.

My list of most recognizable:

1 Pikachu
2 Mario
3 Link
4 DK
5 Yoshi
6 Fox
7 Samus
8 Kirby

My list of most to do with nintendo history:

1 Mario
2 Link
3 DK
4 Pikachu
5 Yoshi
6 Samus
7 Kirby
8 Fox

Total score from lowest to highest:

Mario: 3
Link: 5
Pikachu: 5
DK: 7
Yoshi: 10
Samus: 13
Fox: 14
Kirby: 15

 

[asianaussie]

you act as if those points are all of equal value, when they really arent, and you kind of omit important things like what sort of series characters come from to begin with (kirby is a sidescrolling staple of nintendo and always has been, he was playable long before yoshi was by himself, a while before donkey kong was first playable (DKC), and was certainly more prominent as a sidescroller protagonist than link or pikachu)

fox is CLEARLY less recognisable than kirby, and not only that, appeared far later and was far less instrumental in nintendo console popularity - he was in a whole bunch of gameboy games, whereas fox first appeared in one snes game - how on earth one could say kirby is less deserving than fox is honestly beyond me

 

[mixa]

kirby's case is even worse because sakurai created that freaking ball of fluff

he'll never be undeserving

 

[clubbadubba]

you act as if those points are all of equal value, when they really arent, and you kind of omit important things like what sort of series characters come from to begin with (kirby is a sidescrolling staple of nintendo and always has been, he was playable long before yoshi was by himself, a while before donkey kong was first playable (DKC), and was certainly more prominent as a sidescroller protagonist than link or pikachu)

fox is CLEARLY less recognisable than kirby, and not only that, appeared far later and was far less instrumental in nintendo console popularity - he was in a whole bunch of gameboy games, whereas fox first appeared in one snes game - how on earth one could say kirby is less deserving than fox is honestly beyond me

-I rationalized a scoring system that is just as arbitrary as whatever value you want to assign points to. I doubt if I assigned weight to the points instead (which I did consider before I realized it would be dumb, just as inaccurate, and therefore even more pointless than this thread itself) that everyone would agree with the weighting.

-I omit nothing. I had already considered your points before your post. I took the facts and used my subjective reasoning on them just like you did.

-You seem to put a high emphasis on kirby being playable before yoshi and dk, whereas I don't think that's much of a selling point. He was also playable before bowser, and in no way did kirby have a more important role in nintendo's history than bowser did. Only protagonists are playable usually, but not only protagonists are historical.

-In 1999 I think fox was more recognizable. Fox had more recent recognition from star fox 64, whereas crystal shards game out after smash, so kirby's most recent game was on sneswhich by that point was old news. Sadly, video game characters are forgotten quickly without constant exposure. Kirby was good for game boy, but by 1999 that had not carried over onto console success which is necessary to achieve great recognition of the masses because then you don't even have to play the game to get exposure. You could be a parent, sibling, or friend of someone who has the game and you are exposed. Unlike game boy which you have to look over someone's should to see. Also, bet people would guess fox's name first if they got pictures of the charcter's and didn't know their names

-As far as history, fox is last on my list for that...

 

[mixa]

inb4 clubba argues with aa about anime history

 

[asianaussie]

-You seem to put a high emphasis on kirby being playable before yoshi and dk, whereas I don't think that's much of a selling point. He was also playable before bowser, and in no way did kirby have a more important role in nintendo's history than bowser did. Only protagonists are playable usually, but not only protagonists are historical.

kirby was playable, bowser was not

you're using my point about what sort of background the character had as if they were my points for historical relevance, when they clearly aren't

In 1999 I think fox was more recognizable. Fox had more recent recognition from star fox 64, whereas crystal shards game out after smash, so kirby's most recent game was on snes which by that point was old news.

kirby superstar for SNES was a VERY popular game, and was released what, a year before star fox 64? not to mention kirby dream land 3, which wikipedia tells me was a 1997 release as well? ok man

Kirby was good for game boy, but by 1999 that had not carried over onto console success which is necessary to achieve great recognition of the masses because then you don't even have to play the game to get exposure.

you probably didnt own a snes, huh

Also, bet people would guess fox's name first if they got pictures of the charcter's and didn't know their names

i guess by this token metroid shouldnt have been in the game at all

 

[MrMarbles]

But thats still subjective because YOU didn't know who Kirby was. When they made the game they weren't thinking of what characters you knew of but what characters most people knew of and were popular in Nintendo. Kirby was a very popular character even if you didn't know who he was. Think with the unopinionated, omniscient universal mind, not your own.

i was never trying to be objective i was stating my opinion. wasn't that the point of the poll? is my opinion not valid because you dont agree with it?

 

[clubbadubba]

kirby was playable, bowser was not

you're using my point about what sort of background the character had as if they were my points for historical relevance, when they clearly aren't

didn't stand out as a recognition argument my bad bro.

kirby superstar for SNES was a VERY popular game, and was released what, a year before star fox 64? not to mention kirby dream land 3, which wikipedia tells me was a 1997 release as well? ok man

you probably didnt own a snes, huh

1995 Kirby's Avalanche: 1.7 million
1996 Kirby superstar: 1.44 million
1997 Kirby Dreamland 3: 0.36 million in japan, other info couldn't find, but general consensus is sold poorly

Kirby snes titles sold poorly compared to kirby's other main games on gameboy. Kirby had a general decline of sales over the years building up to 1999. Even including the gameboy games, it seems only kirby's dreamland ever outsold either of the star fox games, but kirby's dreamland was released in 1992.

1993 Star Fox: Conflicting reports, 3-4 million
1997 Star Fox 64: Conflicting reports, 3-4 million

Maybe some of the kirby games were VERY popular, but that must mean the Star Fox games were legendary status. It was a top 10 performer on both SNES and N64. It did not see a major decline in the years leading up to 1999. By 1999, Star fox was a hotter commodity than kirby.

i guess by this token metroid shouldnt have been in the game at all

to be fair pretty sure fox is probably the only one who's name can be blind picked.

 

[asianaussie]

i was not aware starfox was that popular, but i guess im just an old fogey who doesnt know what's hip

i still dont think fox, as a ship pilot with no previously demonstrable ability to fight on ground, self-combust, defy gravity or even jump, really deserved to be in a beat-em-up type game, and certainly not as the most acrobatic chracter in said game (falcon is an even worse example but we'll leave him out)

like, even in the GCN zelda-esque games, he didnt use his gun, he couldn't jump, his reflector didnt exist and his main weapon was a magic stick

kirby, with an arsenal of basic physical attacks, and more importantly the swallow gimmick, had every right to be in a colourful game like smash by virtue of the precedents for gameplay his previous titles set - the fact that he likely backdoored his fixed position due to sakurai detracts from his 'right' to be there, but in terms of gameplay he was always suited, definitely moreso than the pokemon, ness and the pilots, and arguably moreso than link

 

[Olikus]

i was not aware starfox was that popular, but i guess im just an old fogey who doesnt know what's hip

i still dont think fox, as a ship pilot with no previously demonstrable ability to fight on ground, self-combust, defy gravity or even jump, really deserved to be in a beat-em-up type game, and certainly not as the most acrobatic chracter in said game (falcon is an even worse example but we'll leave him out)

like, even in the GCN zelda-esque games, he didnt use his gun, he couldn't jump, his reflector didnt exist and his main weapon was a magic stick

kirby, with an arsenal of basic physical attacks, and more importantly the swallow gimmick, had every right to be in a colourful game like smash by virtue of the precedents for gameplay his previous titles set - the fact that he likely backdoored his fixed position due to sakurai detracts from his 'right' to be there, but in terms of gameplay he was always suited, definitely moreso than the pokemon, ness and the pilots, and arguably moreso than link

finnaly we agree. World war smash is over.

 

[asianaussie]

me and the norwegian are gonna win doubles at apex 2015

 

[rjgbadger]

I thought both PIka and Jiggs were both in the game because of the Pokemon show. They are two of the most iconic characters in the first seasons, along with meowth(who, was planned for the game but did not make the cut)

 

[mixa]

I wonder what kind of character meowth would be in the game

 

[Sedda]

he would've been a fox clone with a form of payday as a projectile. god damnit nintendo. so close

 

[Thor]

Just... never been a DK fan. Mario seems a good fit, as do Link and Samus, I really like Yoshi and Kirby (that's not playskill but liking), Fox is a good choice for his coolness factor, and Pikachu for its adorableness and such - DK just doesn't stand out to me as anything.

EDIT: Oh wait read what least deserving meant. Probably should've voted for Fox or something, I dunno. Whatever.

 

[smashbroskilla]

-Mario is a no brainer.
-DK is a no brainer. @ MrTea if anything you give Mario the pass because he came from Donkey Kong not the other way around.
-Link is a no brainer.
-Fox wasn't really popular until N64 and didn't appear until the SNES. He is an original Nintendo character so I don't think he is the least deserving but definitely not in the most deserving either.
-

Anyone near or around my age knows when star fox came out on super nintendo people went nuts. I can't tell you how many hours I spent playing the timed demo at stores. Trust me, star fox was VERY popular on super nintendo.

 

[anikom15]

Everyone is looking at this retroactively. If you look at the roster from the perspective of 1999, nobody seems greatly undeserving except Ness, but only in NA and Europe. He was well known in Japan.

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

I have the best criteria for deserving/undeserving because it is objective and it leads to exactly one answer to the question at hand.

Of the original 8 characters, there is only 1 character that you cannot play as in any other game up until SSB came out.

 

[pidgezero_one]

Kirby already had like 7 games by the time smash 64 came out what the hell

 

[Shears]

Votes should be made public so we can know who to yell at.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Fox due to the series not being that popular

I'd add Kirby but blame the fact that well HAL invented Kirby, which makes him the shoe-in outside of Mario, Samus, Zelda, and DK

Spoiler

But then again, Hyrule would still be legal and we'd be playing with 6 stocks

 

[anikom15]

Star Fox 64 was the second best-selling game of 1997, second only to Mario Kart 64.

So much stupid in this thread.

 

[Cobrevolution]

your glasses are stupid

 

[MrTea]

your glasses are stupid

#rekt

also who the hell voted for mario

 

[clubbadubba]

Fox due to the series not being that popular

I'd add Kirby but blame the fact that well HAL invented Kirby, which makes him the shoe-in outside of Mario, Samus, Zelda, and DK

star fox was an immensely popular series. You could point to lack of games for star fox if you wanted to make a case, but certainly not popularity.

 

[RedFly]

star fox was an immensely popular series. You could point to lack of games for star fox if you wanted to make a case, but certainly not popularity.

Star Fox used to have potential of being a huge series...

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

star fox 64 was so hype cause it was the first game with rumble pack support from what i remember... i remember nintendo sent out vhs tapes to nintendo power subscribers about it


EDIT:

the memories:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_RZBlTGXkY

 

[UltimateWario]

I voted for samus because it created false hype for me at the time. I thought there would be a Metroid game released for the n64 but there wasn't. I guess ness falls into that category too, but I didn't know or cared who he was

So you voted for a character for a reason that has absolutely nothing to do with the poll?

"I voted for Ridley in the 'Least Deserving Smash 4 Character' because I don't like the color purple."

Also, Yoshi is the objectively correct answer.

 

[Shears]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_RZBlTGXkY

Advertising at its finest.

 

[Sedda]

So you voted for a character for a reason that has absolutely nothing to do with the poll?

"I voted for Ridley in the 'Least Deserving Smash 4 Character' because I don't like the color purple."

Also, Yoshi is the objectively correct answer.

I voted for samus because no metroid game for the n64, didnt care about any of the other characters.