Who has a good matchup against ZSS?

[Kirito_SAO]

I need to know which characters have good matchups against ZSS and Sheik. please help

 

[BatShark]

Pikachu, Sheik, and I'm betting our trouble with Kirby will get a bit more on people's radar with his recent buffs. Diddy still isn't great for us, IMO.

I think we have a handful of 45/55s among the top dozen characters, but you're likely to get different answers from different people as to which.

 

[Kirito_SAO]

Can Pika take on Sheik? im trying to find a secondary for rosalina

 

[BatShark]

I am not aware that there is any kind of consensus character that does particularly well against Sheik, perfection incarnate.

Some of the top players here in California are beginning to suspect that MK actually has it pretty good against her, though.

 

[Peahnuts]

Personally ness and pikachu are the bane of my existence. Ness' damage output and free kill at 90%ish with bthrow is super stressful to deal with. Pikachu also because of her height, neutral game and upb.

Short characters in general are awkward to deal with in the sense that zss should technically be a better character than a lot of them, but they just duck under so many of her moves and make others whiff more frequently.

 

[pichuthedk]

Personally ness and pikachu are the bane of my existence. Ness' damage output and free kill at 90%ish with bthrow is super stressful to deal with. Pikachu also because of her height, neutral game and upb.

Short characters in general are awkward to deal with in the sense that zss should technically be a better character than a lot of them, but they just duck under so many of her moves and make others whiff more frequently.

I totally feel the same way although I do agree to a major extent about the short character bit, I almost feel like it just requires so much more unnecessary presence of mind that is almost unfair sometimes.

"Oh awesome ftilt was the right option but because it wasn't low angled I automatically die /get grabbed.... seems legit"

There is also the heat of battle input error johns when your being pressured so god damn much and those small factors you have to pay extra special attention to don't help alleviate the situation.

 

[Peahnuts]

On a slightly related point, ZeRo just said that ZSS does fine against pika, and beats ness, mario, Rosa, and a bunch of short characters in a heated debate/discussion we had lol.

I agree that ZSS has a good MU against most short characters (they're just annoying) but ness and pika? You've got to be kidding if you think those are good MU's for ZSS.

 

[Ritronaut]

On a slightly related point, ZeRo just said that ZSS does fine against pika, and beats ness, mario, Rosa, and a bunch of short characters in a heated debate/discussion we had lol.

I agree that ZSS has a good MU against most short characters (they're just annoying) but ness and pika? You've got to be kidding if you think those are good MU's for ZSS.

Your edgeguarding game beats Ness. Focus on hitting him offstage.

 

[BatShark]

I don't think Ness is that bad for us either. Avoid the grab at all %s like you're playing ICs, be patient in shield so you're not getting Nair'd in close quarters, and be totally shameless about using your down B to escape everything and abusing his lack of speed. His dash attack covers a ton of ground ahead of him so watch for that, otherwise I think our range trades favorably with him.

 

[Z1GMA]

Lucario is pretty solid Vs Sheik since he'll get a lot of aura before she can KO you.
can't say the same when it comes to Zss - that up+b hurts.

 

[Meta_X]

I'm not a big fan of Ness, but I must say that I have a good time spamming jab in his face when he manages to land a PK Fire and tries to grab me.